N99 Indy, Pocono, etc

Anybody know where I can dl the Indy, Pocono and any other track files? Can't find 'em anywhere...

I can only say to you that you can find Pocono and North Wilkesboro tracks on your NR99 CD in the NROS section. As for the other, I don't support piracy. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I normally have stayed away from these controversies the last year or so, but I felt compelled to respond to this. Now, I'm no lawyer, nor student of law, nor know anyone close to me that practices law. However, it would seem to me, as a "reasonable" human being (as reasonable as a racing sim nut can be I suppose), that "piracy" is only such if you attempt to sell a packaged and sealed copy of NR1999 and/or N2, and you include in the setup process Indy, Daytona, and any other tracks that did not come with NR1999 and/or N2 and its related BGN expansion pack. Now this would involve, at the very least, a knowledge of programming so that your setup/install process would properly install such tracks, a "writable" CD-ROM drive as well as "burnable" CD's, and a shrink-wrap machine to seal the CD's jewel case. If you wanted to go even further, you would also need professional printing and production equipment to alter your game's manual so that these tracks are included in the manual, and you might even want to get ol' Bobby Labonte himself (or whoever it was that made comments in the manual about the various tracks) to give his statements on Indy and Daytona, if you can track him down, if you can get an appointment with him, and if he doesn't ask any questions or gets suspicious. But if you just want to download the various tracks that are not included with the game, I feel that is not piracy, and a good website is http://members.xoom.com/RACELANE99/ So sue me Francois. Gary

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> > Anybody know where I can dl the Indy, Pocono and any other track files? > > Can't find 'em anywhere... > I can only say to you that you can find Pocono and North Wilkesboro tracks > on your NR99 CD in the NROS section. As for the other, I don't support > piracy. > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

np, those are called "issues" ;-) Selling, trading or giving is the same here. Papyrus's code is under copyright by themselves, and the only way you can own a code, a track, a sound, anything from any Papyrus racing simulations would be to buy it. Somehow, even if you distribute tracks for free you are in the illegality. Of course Papyrus was alot more strict back in the days, but now nobody at Papyrus or Sierra cares about those track downloads. Unless its the real Daytona that Papyrus made, but that's "another" thing I won't go into :) Well there is no things "less piracy" than others, but there is things that are more accepted by people. Like I said, I don't really support piracy, since I own all the Papyrus software except NR99, but if I would want a NR99 track in N2 I would simply go buy the software and convert it with the existing tools. Like for the Brickyard I actually was able to find an Icr1 expansion disk, so now it's legal for me to have it in any other titles like N1, N2, Icr2, GPL, etc.. Btw, tracks like the BB&B ones are legal since they include no coding from the Papyrus Design Group Inc. Technically if we go by the law that's how it is. Im sure people remember the Brickyard r.a.s. incident almost hmm 4years ago now :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Right, managed to find Indy (despite Francois' warnings I pressed on regardless) but still can't find Pocono. If anybody has it and would like to sen it on (anonymously, of course!!) I'd be grateful. Thanks Bom

Like I said, you will find Pocono and North Wilkesboro (two tracks that are in N2 but not in NR99) on the Nascar Racing : 99 Edition CD-Rom. Look into the /NROS/Tracks section, you will find it there ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

A well written posting. Piracy is uploading a packaged product. Adding various tracks that ought to be in the N99 game, but due to various licensing agreements, are not, is well within the rules, as can be seen by how many people have these tracks and race on them.

Question: When would the ICR1 indy pack be considered abandonware? I'm willing to upload it (if the diskette still works :) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "I read dead Russian authors volumes at a time I write everything down except what's on my mind 'Cause my greatest fear is the sucking sound And then I know I'll never get back out" -'Narcolepsy', Third Eye Blind > > I normally have stayed away from these controversies the last year or so, > but > > I felt compelled to respond to this. > np, those are called "issues" ;-) > > Now, I'm no lawyer, nor student of law, nor know anyone close to me that > > practices law. However, it would seem to me, as a "reasonable" human > being > > (as reasonable as a racing sim nut can be I suppose), that "piracy" is > only > > such if you attempt to sell a packaged and sealed copy of NR1999 and/or > N2, > > and you include in the setup process Indy, Daytona, and any other tracks > that > > did not come with NR1999 and/or N2 and its related BGN expansion pack. > Selling, trading or giving is the same here. Papyrus's code is under > copyright by themselves, and the only way you can own a code, a track, a > sound, anything from any Papyrus racing simulations would be to buy it. > Somehow, even if you distribute tracks for free you are in the illegality. > Of course Papyrus was alot more strict back in the days, but now nobody at > Papyrus or Sierra cares about those track downloads. Unless its the real > Daytona that Papyrus made, but that's "another" thing I won't go into :) > > But if you just want to download the various tracks that are not included > with > > the game, I feel that is not piracy, and a good website is > > http://members.xoom.com/RACELANE99/ > Well there is no things "less piracy" than others, but there is things that > are more accepted by people. Like I said, I don't really support piracy, > since I own all the Papyrus software except NR99, but if I would want a NR99 > track in N2 I would simply go buy the software and convert it with the > existing tools. Like for the Brickyard I actually was able to find an Icr1 > expansion disk, so now it's legal for me to have it in any other titles like > N1, N2, Icr2, GPL, etc.. Btw, tracks like the BB&B ones are legal since > they include no coding from the Papyrus Design Group Inc. Technically if we > go by the law that's how it is. > Im sure people remember the Brickyard r.a.s. incident almost hmm 4years ago > now :) > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Technically you would have to wait until the copyright expires I think... but seriously, I have tons of abandonware on my PC and someday I will create a racing sim abandonware site if I ever have time. My count was 80racing games from the 1980's, plus about 30 or so Im still searching (pictures and text only) for. Go ahead and upload it, the track pack is a ok thing IMHO from a POV where it's impossible anymore to find it unless somebody auctions it on Ebay or such. You can still find Icr1 in stores in bargain bin, so for that it's up to the person to decide if it's abandonware or not (IndyCar Racing, not the track packs). Btw you got the two Expansion disk ? :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I just bought the Indy track pack. There is a company called ***Exchange....they are a chain of used software vendors. You make a request and they find it for you. I paid like $15.00 for it, but now I have it for always and forever. http://www.***tampabay.com/ This is the Tampa link. The main link appears dead. But it worth a try.

I just bought the Indy track pack. There is a company called ***Exchange....they are a chain of used software vendors. You make a request and they find it for you. I paid like $15.00 for it, but now I have it for always and forever. http://www.***tampabay.com/ This is the Tampa link. The main link appears dead. But it worth a try. GREAT info -- if you don't want to bother converting the track to ICR2, you can download it at: [link lost in import] Enjoy! -- John Bodin Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/

OK, I'm uploading it to alt.binaries.simulators.auto. And if by the 'two Expansion disk' you mean the other expansion pack, yes, it's there too. I am SOOOO glad I begged my dad that day in Incredible Universe :D -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "I read dead Russian authors volumes at a time I write everything down except what's on my mind 'Cause my greatest fear is the sucking sound And then I know I'll never get back out" -'Narcolepsy', Third Eye Blind

I don't have the second disk. What's on the second disk? I bet it's Daytona.... And you keeping it from me.... Please tell me... Thank You. The Mocker

Actually the second disk "is" the Indianapolis Expansion disk with the Paintkit. IndyCar Racing 1 didn't had all the tracks when released. The same happened with N1, it only had IIRC 9tracks, Icr1 had 6tracks. The first expansion disk added the whole rest of the IndyCar PPG Calendar of the I think 1993 season. I think it was hmm Detroit, Nazareth, Elkart, Vancouver and Toronto. Not 100% sure. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."