MSFF Wheel + self built pedals

Hi all. I built a***pit with 100k potis and it worked great. But now I have purchased a MSFF wheel and want to integrate it into my***pit. With the wheel there is no problem but the tension of the pedals is *** and also they don't fit into my***pit. Now I want to plug my pedals into the MSFF wheel but the MS pedals are built up with 50k potis. If possible I don't want to exchange the 100k potis in my pedals. Has anyone tried to do the same or where can I get information about it? Greetings, Hermann.

Herman u can connect those pots up and then use a program called DXTweak to recalibrate the directx levels to suit.I used to do this but after getting fed up having to do this every time i switched the puter on,i got a usb to joystick adapter and ran my pedals on that.It works smoother this way too,although the pedals can then only be used by programs that allow the use of more than 1 joystick. -- Vince Fisher

On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:35:41 +0100, Vince Fisher

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>>Hi all. >>I built a***pit with 100k potis and it worked great. But now I have >>purchased a MSFF wheel and want to integrate it into my***pit. With >>the wheel there is no problem but the tension of the pedals is *** >>and also they don't fit into my***pit. >>Now I want to plug my pedals into the MSFF wheel but the MS pedals are >>built up with 50k potis. If possible I don't want to exchange the 100k >>potis in my pedals. >>Has anyone tried to do the same or where can I get information about >>it? >>Greetings, Hermann. >Herman u can connect those pots up and then use a program called DXTweak >to recalibrate the directx levels to suit.I used to do this but after >getting fed up having to do this every time i switched the puter on,i >got a usb to joystick adapter and ran my pedals on that.It works >smoother this way too,although the pedals can then only be used by >programs that allow the use of more than 1 joystick.

Vince thanx for your answer. My problem: The MSFF is already plugged into the joystick/midi port. Therefore I cannot plug my pedals into it. Did you try to connect your pedals directly with your MSFF? Hermann

Yes Hermann,i connected the pedals directly to the connector on the wheel which is exactly the same as a SVHS connector. I wired my pedals up exactly the same as in the msff pedals and then using dxtweak u could set the min/centre/max range settings to use the full range.Although it never was as smooth as it should be. But it certainly works,and at least this way it would work with all games,not just games that allow the use of 2 joysticks etc. If u need to know the wiring of pins i have them written down somewhere and will hunt them up for you. -- Vince Fisher

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:04:59 +0100, Vince Fisher

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>>Vince thanx for your answer. >>My problem: The MSFF is already plugged into the joystick/midi port. >>Therefore I cannot plug my pedals into it. >>Did you try to connect your pedals directly with your MSFF? >>Hermann >Yes Hermann,i connected the pedals directly to the connector on the >wheel which is exactly the same as a SVHS connector. >I wired my pedals up exactly the same as in the msff pedals and then >using dxtweak u could set the min/centre/max range settings to use the >full range.Although it never was as smooth as it should be. >But it certainly works,and at least this way it would work with all >games,not just games that allow the use of 2 joysticks etc. >If u need to know the wiring of pins i have them written down somewhere >and will hunt them up for you.

That would be nice, Vince. Another problem with your answer: that." Does that mean your pedals are connected to the usb port now and the MSFF without pedals is connected to the joystick/midi port? Are your pedals self built? Which racing games cannot handle more than one joystick? I want to play GPL 1.1, MGPR, NFS4. Hermann Kauer.

>Another problem with your answer: >that." >Does that mean your pedals are connected to the usb port now and the >MSFF without pedals is connected to the joystick/midi port? Exactly right.I can have the MS pedals plugged in on the msff wheel and have 4 pedals if i wanted to! Not really but they are made up from 2 sets of pedals with a few little alterations and additions here and there.Or at least they were when i had them plugged into the MSFF wheel directly.I now have the pedals back as they originally were,they are from a digital edge f1 sim,large solid all metal things.Although i am using some springs from guard seats out of trains i got from work. those all work fine i think but colin mcrae rally,toca1,toca2 and unfortuanately there are many more that don't. OK I'll try and explain the wiring FF wheel connector 2 3 1 4 pot 1 pot 2 A B C D E F connect 1 - E 2 - C C - D A - F 3 - A 4 - B I bought a S-VHS cable and cut off 1 end. This had 2 cables 1 red and 1 white, and inside each was another cable these were wired up as follows. FF wheel connector 2 inner red 3 inner white 1 outer red 4 outer black I hope that is clear enough, PS.this is the url to the dxtweak program if u havent got it yet, http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm#DXTweak Good luck Vince Fisher

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:00:43 +0100, Vince Fisher >OK I'll try and explain the wiring ... >I hope that is clear enough, >PS.this is the url to the dxtweak program if u havent got it yet, >http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm#DXTweak >Good luck >Vince Fisher Thanks, Hermann Kauer.

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:00:43 +0100, Vince Fisher >PS.this is the url to the dxtweak program if u havent got it yet, >http://www.wingmanteam.com/#DXTweak >Good luck >Vince Fisher Vince, everything works ok. The MSFF doesn't insist on 50k potis but accepts my 100k potis. I got the dxtweak.exe called it and found many parameters to tune. Now I have a lot of questions: 1. No glance what to do. 2. No glance why I should change anything. Everything seems ok. Are there any problems I didn't notice? 3. Which advantage may I gather if I***around with this parameters? 4. Which changes did you make there? Hermann Kauer.

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>On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:00:43 +0100, Vince Fisher >>PS.this is the url to the dxtweak program if u havent got it yet, >>http://www.wingmanteam.com/#DXTweak >>Good luck >>Vince Fisher >Vince, >everything works ok. The MSFF doesn't insist on 50k potis but accepts >my 100k potis. >I got the dxtweak.exe called it and found many parameters to tune. Now >I have a lot of questions: >1. No glance what to do. >2. No glance why I should change anything. Everything seems ok. Are >there any problems I didn't notice? >3. Which advantage may I gather if I***around with this >parameters? >4. Which changes did you make there? >Hermann Kauer.

Excuse me that I follow up my own posting but I just read the "documentation" of dxtweak. Nearly all above questions are answered. Still remaining: 1. Everything seems ok. Why should I change anything? Did you notice any problems I didn't notice? 2. Which changes did you make? Thanks, Hermann Kauer.

On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:04:30 +0100, Richard S Beckett

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>x-no-archive: yes >Does this mean that the MSFF pedals use potentiometers? >I thought that it was all optical. >R.

Only the wheel works with optical components. The pedals work with 50k potis. Hermann.

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>>Now I want to plug my pedals into the MSFF wheel but the MS pedals are >>built up with 50k potis. If possible I don't want to exchange the 100k >>potis in my pedals. >You can 'convert' 100k pots to 50k pots by putting 100k resistors in parallel. >It won't be exactly linear but for gas/brake it might not be a big deal. >Anyway, it's easy to try. > o > | > |---------| > | | > / / > \ \ > / /<-------o > \ \ > / / > \ \ > | | > |---------| > | > o > 100k 100k > resistor pot.

Thanks. If necessary I will try this option.

On my setup the range of the pedals (ie the calibration would stop only after i pressed the pedals down a 1/4 of the way)was so small i had to reset them everytime i turned on the machine to be able to use the full movement of my pedals.This isnt a problem for gpl because that can be calibrated fine within its own program,but for games that rely on the win98 calibration i had to use dxtweak. Im glad it all worked ok,just wondering ,do the pedals feel as smooth as they used to.mine were never quite as good directly connected to the msff wheel as they were when using the original setup or as using a USB to joystick converter,but it wasnt too bad either. -- Vince Fisher