VOODOO2 SLI Loss FPS GPL

64mb Previous to today I had: 1xVoodoo2: Gave me (with my current GFX settings) 36fps which hopped to 37 now and then. Now I have: 2xVoodoo2 in SLI: Gives me (with SAME GFX as above) 36fps, but when AI cars (or online HUMAN cars) are close frame rate drops to 25fps. Now before you start this is nothing to do with 1.1, it is to do with the voodoo2, so leave Randy Cassidy alone. For an example of where this happens, Monaco the last turn, I round the corner, then when I am accelarating away, there are of course tonns of AI heading into the corner I just left, in my view, on the right, the FPS takes a DIVE down to 25 FPS, it doesn't zig zag up and down either, it stays steady AT 25fps, someone help, please. Someone has just generously sold me this and I don't wanna have to send it back. -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

Weird.... have you turned VSync off in the voodoo properties? Andre On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:09:17 +0100, "Tim \"Calm Down\" Wheatley"

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>64mb >Previous to today I had: >1xVoodoo2: Gave me (with my current GFX settings) 36fps which hopped to 37 >now and then. >Now I have: >2xVoodoo2 in SLI: Gives me (with SAME GFX as above) 36fps, but when AI cars >(or online HUMAN cars) are close frame rate drops to 25fps. >Now before you start this is nothing to do with 1.1, it is to do with the >voodoo2, so leave Randy Cassidy alone. >For an example of where this happens, Monaco the last turn, I round the >corner, then when I am accelarating away, there are of course tonns of AI >heading into the corner I just left, in my view, on the right, the FPS takes >a DIVE down to 25 FPS, it doesn't zig zag up and down either, it stays >steady AT 25fps, someone help, please. >Someone has just generously sold me this and I don't wanna have to send it >back. >-- >TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. >The Homemade HondaFreek! >Visit the Honda Homepage ! >http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html >or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

this looks like the driver-installation for the 2nd card enabled the 'synchronize on v-sync' - check this in your display-settings! Lio

i dont have the option! what is that?? -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > Weird.... have you turned VSync off in the voodoo properties? > Andre > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:09:17 +0100, "Tim \"Calm Down\" Wheatley" > >64mb > >Previous to today I had: > >1xVoodoo2: Gave me (with my current GFX settings) 36fps which hopped to 37 > >now and then. > >Now I have: > >2xVoodoo2 in SLI: Gives me (with SAME GFX as above) 36fps, but when AI cars > >(or online HUMAN cars) are close frame rate drops to 25fps. > >Now before you start this is nothing to do with 1.1, it is to do with the > >voodoo2, so leave Randy Cassidy alone. > >For an example of where this happens, Monaco the last turn, I round the > >corner, then when I am accelarating away, there are of course tonns of AI > >heading into the corner I just left, in my view, on the right, the FPS takes > >a DIVE down to 25 FPS, it doesn't zig zag up and down either, it stays > >steady AT 25fps, someone help, please. > >Someone has just generously sold me this and I don't wanna have to send it > >back. > >-- > >TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. > >The Homemade HondaFreek! > >Visit the Honda Homepage ! > >http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html > >or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

when you have the diplay-settings-setup-window, click Voodoo2 or Monster 3D2 or whatever switches to your V2-settings, then click 'advanced' and there is an option like "don't sync every frame" or "sync on v-sync" or whatever it is with your card - you should check or uncheck this option so that the cards do NOT sync on v-sync (i.e. they should NOT sync every frame). Lio

No such option on my system either... 3Dfx reference drivers. Jan. ------ >> aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! ><snip<

I don't know about the reference drivers (I use 2 guillemot maxi gamer 3D2 with their drivers), but I think that the environment variables still work with V2 - so use a batch and place a line before starting your game - autoexec.bat might work as well (at least with win95 it did ...): SET SST_SWAP_EN_WAIT_ON_VSYNC=0 another option is getting the voodoo2-overclocking tool that places itself in the display options (don't ask me for a URL though ...) - this has a slider for adjusting the core-frequency for both direct3d and glide plus a checkbox for synching on vsync each. Lio

On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:08:00 +0200, Liutger Franzen

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>> aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! >when you have the diplay-settings-setup-window, click Voodoo2 or Monster >3D2 or whatever switches to your V2-settings, then click 'advanced' and >there is an option like "don't sync every frame" or "sync on v-sync" or >whatever it is with your card - you should check or uncheck this option >so that the cards do NOT sync on v-sync (i.e. they should NOT sync every >frame).

Remember: turn on No VSyncing for both Glide and D3D; there are 2 vsync options in my panel. Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

you have 2, i have 0 hmm........ -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:08:00 +0200, Liutger Franzen > >> aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! > >when you have the diplay-settings-setup-window, click Voodoo2 or Monster > >3D2 or whatever switches to your V2-settings, then click 'advanced' and > >there is an option like "don't sync every frame" or "sync on v-sync" or > >whatever it is with your card - you should check or uncheck this option > >so that the cards do NOT sync on v-sync (i.e. they should NOT sync every > >frame). > Remember: turn on No VSyncing for both Glide and D3D; there are 2 > vsync options in my panel. > Ruud van Gaal > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

What Voodoo card do you have? Andre On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:27:06 +0100, "Tim \"Calm Down\" Wheatley"

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>you have 2, i have 0 hmm........ >-- >TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. >The Homemade HondaFreek! >Visit the Honda Homepage ! >http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html >or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! >> On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:08:00 +0200, Liutger Franzen >> >> aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! >> >when you have the diplay-settings-setup-window, click Voodoo2 or Monster >> >3D2 or whatever switches to your V2-settings, then click 'advanced' and >> >there is an option like "don't sync every frame" or "sync on v-sync" or >> >whatever it is with your card - you should check or uncheck this option >> >so that the cards do NOT sync on v-sync (i.e. they should NOT sync every >> >frame). >> Remember: turn on No VSyncing for both Glide and D3D; there are 2 >> vsync options in my panel. >> Ruud van Gaal >> MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl >> Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

thanks... yeah, 3dfx drivers install glideenv.bat with that kind of settings in it, which is then called from autoexec.bat. I was looking all over for my documentation on the environment variables, but you saved me the effort. ;-)) Jan. ------ <snip>

On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:27:06 +0100, "Tim \"Calm Down\" Wheatley" >you have 2, i have 0 hmm........ For Voodoo2, the 2.56 reference drivers from 3Dfx contained a .dll that is used in Display properties (right mouse click your display, select Properties). Where the screensaver and settings are. I have a Voodoo2 page in that dialog, and an advanced button with these settings. Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

>64mb >For an example of where this happens, Monaco the last turn, I round the >corner, then when I am accelarating away, there are of course tonns of AI >heading into the corner I just left, in my view, on the right, the FPS takes >a DIVE down to 25 FPS, it doesn't zig zag up and down either, it stays >steady AT 25fps, someone help, please. I had this problem as well with a V2 SLI setup. I solved it by installing the Banshee/V3 glide patch from The Fast Lane. In this is a utility for altering the refresh rate of your cars mirror's. Turning the mirror refresh to once every other frame gives you a lot of fps back, especially at circuits like Monaco. Steve

If you are using the newest 3dfx drivers they do not have the v/sync option in the advanced settings. I have a .dll file from 3dfx that you can place in your c:\windows\system and it will place the v/sync option on the advanced page. I will post a zip file called "win9x_cp.zip" at alt.binaries.simulators.autos. Randy Anderson On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:27:06 +0100, "Tim \"Calm Down\" Wheatley"

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>you have 2, i have 0 hmm........ >-- >TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. >The Homemade HondaFreek! >Visit the Honda Homepage ! >http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html >or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! >> On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:08:00 +0200, Liutger Franzen >> >> aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! >> >when you have the diplay-settings-setup-window, click Voodoo2 or Monster >> >3D2 or whatever switches to your V2-settings, then click 'advanced' and >> >there is an option like "don't sync every frame" or "sync on v-sync" or >> >whatever it is with your card - you should check or uncheck this option >> >so that the cards do NOT sync on v-sync (i.e. they should NOT sync every >> >frame). >> Remember: turn on No VSyncing for both Glide and D3D; there are 2 >> vsync options in my panel. >> Ruud van Gaal >> MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl >> Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

To email me remove the "u"s

I solved it, it was the vsync. I did NOT have this option, but I found a couple of things which could do it for me, one of them is a HUGE utility, which every 3dfx card UNDER a voodoo3 could make use of, it's about 5mb and i posted it at my site with the writers permission. I also got a much simpler one, which JUST did what I at first wanted, that is also posted. [link lost in import]

note, other news has been added since it, so it's the (2nd?) news item down now, and also the site is a little messy, i'm still building it

Link does't work Tim... there's just 4 links to other sites there. Jan. ------

i altered the picture, check back. you were meant to click the logo -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > Link does't work Tim... there's just 4 links to other sites there. > Jan. > ------ > >I solved it, it was the vsync. > ><snip>

>If you are using the newest 3dfx drivers they do not have the v/sync >option in the advanced settings. I have a .dll file from 3dfx that >you can place in your c:\windows\system and it will place the v/sync >option on the advanced page. I will post a zip file called >"win9x_cp.zip" at alt.binaries.simulators.autos. Ah, I thought about that one. I first d/loaded the 2.54 drivers from Creative Labs, that's probably why I had the DLL.

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>Randy Anderson >On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:27:06 +0100, "Tim \"Calm Down\" Wheatley" >>you have 2, i have 0 hmm........ >>-- >>TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. >>The Homemade HondaFreek! >>Visit the Honda Homepage ! >>http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html >>or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! >>> On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:08:00 +0200, Liutger Franzen >>> >> aahhhhh! where is that...ok v sync v sync, i'll look! >>> >when you have the diplay-settings-setup-window, click Voodoo2 or Monster >>> >3D2 or whatever switches to your V2-settings, then click 'advanced' and >>> >there is an option like "don't sync every frame" or "sync on v-sync" or >>> >whatever it is with your card - you should check or uncheck this option >>> >so that the cards do NOT sync on v-sync (i.e. they should NOT sync every >>> >frame). >>> Remember: turn on No VSyncing for both Glide and D3D; there are 2 >>> vsync options in my panel. >>> Ruud van Gaal >>> MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl >>> Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery >To email me remove the "u"s

Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

Sorry to sound stupid Tim, but WHAT LOGO?? Here's what I see: across the top there's the Xoom stuff and the body consists of a completely black page with 4 links on a line in the middle... each of which pops up some text in the top left corner when they get focus. Neither of those when clicked reveal any content relating to this issue. Using IE4 sp1. The redirect at the old address doesn't work for me either, the page reloads itself instead of the xoom one. Jan. ------

there should be a picture of a Honda on the right. the words 'Tim Wheatley's HONDA HOMEPAGE Click to enter...' are the logo. I'm using IE5 but other people have said they liked and and got through with Netscape and IE4. http://members.xoom.com/TimWheatley/homepage.htm The reason why I have a welcome page is because it allows me to get rid of the xoom banner. -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > Sorry to sound stupid Tim, but WHAT LOGO?? > Here's what I see: across the top there's the Xoom stuff and the body > consists of a completely black page with 4 links on a line in the middle... > each of which pops up some text in the top left corner when they get focus. > Neither of those when clicked reveal any content relating to this issue. > Using IE4 sp1. The redirect at the old address doesn't work for me either, > the page reloads itself instead of the xoom one. > Jan. > ------ > >i altered the picture, check back. you were meant to click the logo > ><Snip>

That's a different link than you posted originally and, they both give me a 404 error now... grrrrrrr. ;-)). This has got to be some proxy issue.... oh well, another phonecall to ISP. I got 'm on speeddial now. Jan. ------

All I get is the following page The members page you requested could not be found. Mike

xoom shutdown pages occasionally, i was also unable to login and upload my updates today, i'm doing those right now this: http://members.xoom.com/TimWheatley/ leads to ...homepage.htm when you click on the logo, yes it was a different link, it was the page u go to when u click the logo. -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://members.xoom.com/TimWheatley/ or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

Just 'chatted' with another xoom website guy. his was down also.

Ok, thanks.... was able to get in with the direct llink. Still no logo on the Welcome page tho' (maybe they restored the wrong version?). Jan. ------

it's a huge picture with the honda on the right, try pressing refresh a lot LOL also when u get in (now) click on replays, i uploaded 34!!! if pictures dont load just press refresh xoom is having a bad one! -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://members.xoom.com/TimWheatley/ or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > Ok, thanks.... was able to get in with the direct llink. Still no logo on > the Welcome page tho' (maybe they restored the wrong version?). > Jan. > ------ > >xoom shutdown pages occasionally, i was also unable to login and upload my > >updates today, i'm doing those right now > >this: http://members.xoom.com/TimWheatley/ leads to ...homepage.htm when > you > >click on the logo, yes it was a different link, it was the page u go to > when > >u click the logo. > ><Snip>

But don't then you get messages in games saying that you're still having DX5 drivers installed? I have the latest ref drivers and that control panel with the V-synch option... -- Oliver Nikolic DP-MAX Computers http://www.dp-max.co.yu/ BeoRocket Racing Team (retired) http://www.beorocket.co.yu/

Tim & Jan I have the same voodoo2 sli set up and I have had the same problem and it is fix now with the new dll with the vsnc disabled IM back up to 36 fps most of the time. I have 28/29 fps at the back of a twelve car grid. Regards Bob > xoom shutdown pages occasionally, i was also unable to login and upload my > updates today, i'm doing those right now > this: http://members.xoom.com/TimWheatley/ > leads to ...homepage.htm when you click on the logo, yes it was a different

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> link, it was the page u go to when u click the logo. > -- > TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. > The Homemade HondaFreek! > Visit the Honda Homepage ! > http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html > or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

who mentioned DX5?

My computer did... -- Oliver Nikolic DP-MAX Computers http://www.dp-max.co.yu/ BeoRocket Racing Team (retired) http://www.beorocket.co.yu/