A day at the 'Ring ...

Hi all, I've written a small report about a day I spent at Nordschleife last week. It contains my feelings driving around the track and some comparison with the GPL track. Check it out if interested. The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ Regards, Hena -- Best regards, Hena H?kk?nen Remove NOSPAM to email me!

Hi ! Good idea! I'll be going to Zandvoort for the xxxx-th time on saturday/sunday. Maybe it'd be a good idea to setup a 'day at the dunes' site.... anyone suggestions ? Bart

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> Hi all, > I've written a small report about a day I spent at Nordschleife last week. > It contains my feelings driving around the track and some comparison with > the GPL track. Check it out if interested. > The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ > Regards, > Hena > -- > Best regards, > Hena H?kk?nen > Remove NOSPAM to email me!

Great reading stuff, thanks! Andre On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:14:12 +0300, "Hena Hakkanen"

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>Hi all, >I've written a small report about a day I spent at Nordschleife last week. >It contains my feelings driving around the track and some comparison with >the GPL track. Check it out if interested. >The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ >Regards, >Hena >-- >Best regards, >Hena H?kk?nen >Remove NOSPAM to email me!

I've got to take my bike to Germany... I've got to take my bike to Germany... I've got to take my bike to Germany... I've got to take my... grrggglllhhhhhh... Picture: Homer Simpson, eyes rolled back, head limp on the neck, mouth agape and drooling all over the place. <VBG> -Chris- ---Two wheels are better ---Proud owner of a 1998 ZX-9R

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> Hi all, > I've written a small report about a day I spent at > Nordschleife last week. It contains my feelings > driving around the track and some comparison with > the GPL track. Check it out if interested. > The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ > Regards, > Hena > -- > Best regards, > Hena H?kk?nen > Remove NOSPAM to email me!

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On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:14:12 +0300, "Hena Hakkanen" >I've written a small report about a day I spent at Nordschleife last week. Nice report. I think in the comparison, you missed the fact that Papy recreated the Ring in his 1967 state, while the real Ring was modified in 1970/71 after F1 boycotted it with safety concerns. Back then, some jumps were removed or softened (Quiddelbacher Hoehe, Kesselchen, Bruennchen, Doettinger Hoehe), trees were cut down, the track was widened (especially on the Doettinger Hoehe straight), small run-off areas were introduced, miles of armco were set up, red-white painted curbs were installed, water drainage was made, and so on. It were not minor cosmetic changes, they literally moved mountains there (I have pictures of the construction phase). Like, as you pointed out, at Hatzenbach, Hocheichen, Adenauer Forst, Metzgesfeld or Kallenhard, where the "grass bankings" were moved backwards to provide run-off area or at least a better overview of the track. -- Matthias Flatt

Great report! I think a lot of the changes you refer to between the '67 track and the present day one are due to the large amount of work done on the Nordschleife in the early 70's to try and keep the GP. Jumps were eased and a lot of trees and banks were removed. Armco added most of the way round. Unfortunately it was all in vain after Lauda's accident. - Michael

Hi, I have been to the Ring a *lot* of times as it's just a 2.5 - 3 hour ride for me from my home :) I think Papy did a superb job with their track modelling. You did not take into account that the Ring had some MAJOR reworking in 1971. Also, from the Karussell to the Hohe Acht the GPL version of the Ring climbs definetely upwards as it should be, not downwards as you said. The elevation changes in a two dimensional picture never look as impressive as the real thing. It's not a matter of bad modelling. It's just impossible to preserve the awesome sight onto a computer screen. (When you visit the Ring the next time make a little detour to Francorchamps and take a look at the steep climb at Eau Rouge. You won't believe how steep that corner is. If you stand before it and look at it, it's like looking at a wall!!) With all this critizism I finally have to say that your article is a really nice read. Good stuff!! -Thorsten Rueter Hena Hakkanen schrieb:

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> Hi all, > I've written a small report about a day I spent at Nordschleife last week. > It contains my feelings driving around the track and some comparison with > the GPL track. Check it out if interested. > The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ > Regards, > Hena > -- > Best regards, > Hena H?kk?nen > Remove NOSPAM to email me!

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>I've got to take my bike to Germany... >I've got to take my bike to Germany... >I've got to take my bike to Germany... >I've got to take my... >grrggglllhhhhhh... >Picture: Homer Simpson, eyes rolled back, > head limp on the neck, mouth > agape and drooling all over the > place. ><VBG> >-Chris- >---Two wheels are better >---Proud owner of a 1998 ZX-9R >> Hi all, >> I've written a small report about a day I spent at >> Nordschleife last week. It contains my feelings >> driving around the track and some comparison with >> the GPL track. Check it out if interested. >> The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ >> Regards, >> Hena >> -- >> Best regards, >> Hena H?kk?nen >> Remove NOSPAM to email me! >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

>(When you visit the Ring the next time make a little detour to Francorchamps >and take a look at the steep climb at Eau Rouge. You won't believe how steep >that corner is. If you stand before it and look at it, it's like looking at a >wall!!) No kidding! Spa is the only course in GPL that I've been to, driven 'round, etc. and I've yet to see ANY sim capture how much elevation you gain up the hill out of Eau Rouge. That is one big honkin' hill! Anyone know the actual elevation stats? Cheers, Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

LOL! A small report<vbg>, it was brilliant. It had always been one of my dreams, to ride through Europe and visit the tracks, factorys and motoring museums I'd read about all these years. A drunk who decided he needed my side of the road put an end to my riding, but I got back some of that old feeling this morning reading your story. Thanks, don [|]-(_)-[|]

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>Hi all, >I've written a small report about a day I spent at Nordschleife last week. >It contains my feelings driving around the track and some comparison with >the GPL track. Check it out if interested. >The report can be found at http://welcome.to/FGPLC/ >Regards, >Hena >-- >Best regards, >Hena H?kk?nen >Remove NOSPAM to email me!

You lucky SOB! :). It's a two-and-a-half-day ride from mine :( Me too! Hmmm ... well, to me it seems to go downwards right after Karussell, under the bridge. _Then_ it starts to climb. impossible to I very well realize that. I wasn't critizising papy's modelling skills. Like I said in the article, neither TV picture, photos or video clips do the elevation changes justice. Thanks for the tip! Also, Zandvoort might be a good stop on my next trip. Thanks! Hena

Been there, and still can't believe it. In GPL and GP2 it's well done, but the F1RS/MGP models are ridiculous. Standing? While driving towards Eau Rouge you feel like a crash test dummy going to hit the wall. I wonder how they keep the gravel in the gravel pit on the left from moving downhill like an avalanche. -- Matthias Flatt

You should try hiking up Paddock Hill Bend at Brands! Gravity *almost* prevents you from doing it :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

I'd like to see those pictures - are they on a website somewhere? - Michael

>> It were not minor cosmetic changes, they literally moved mountains >> there (I have pictures of the construction phase). Like, as you >> pointed out, at Hatzenbach, Hocheichen, Adenauer Forst, Metzgesfeld or >> Kallenhard, where the "grass bankings" were moved backwards to provide >> run-off area or at least a better overview of the track. >I'd like to see those pictures - are they on a website somewhere? No. They are from a book about the Ring. AFAIR I scanned some of them and send them to Goetz Poppitz for his Superpatch. The book and my scanner (and my best GPL machine with a wheel) are "at home", where I can spent only short time on the weekends - if I'm not elsewhere. :-/ Like (maybe?) at the Nurburgring, where the "Oldtimer GP" takes place this weekend, on the modern GP track only though. Amongst others, GP and Le Mans cars from the years '66 -'71 are announced, eg. Fittipaldis Lotus 72. -- Matthias Flatt

I have some pictures from my 'Ring lapping experience in June at my website. I'm not sure if they show what you are looking for... I was busy driving and my "photographer" (translation: friend with camera) just snapped away! http://www.steve.couture.org/nurburgring/

Great shots Steve! This is probably as close as I'll get to seeing the real 'Ring. This must be the shrub/twisty part :-D http://www.steve.couture.org/nurburgring/mvc-101f.jpg Jason.

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> >I'd like to see those pictures - are they on a website somewhere? > I have some pictures from my 'Ring lapping experience in June at my website. > I'm not sure if they show what you are looking for... I was busy driving > and my "photographer" (translation: friend with camera) just snapped away! > http://www.steve.couture.org/nurburgring/

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