Le Mans in GPL?

I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really based on the 1966 seazon? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

GPL stands for Grand Prix Legends. Grand Prix is a completely different sport than LeMans. Completely different cars and drivers. LeMans is a race that takes place in France and last for 24 hours. Grand Prix Legends is based on Formula 1 races during the 1967 season.

LeMans is in there because the French round of the 67 WC was there... not on the Sports car circuit, but a different one that apparently was lame. The track wasn't included in GPL because of this lameness, so a real French circuit (Rouen) was substituted. They raced at Rouen before and after 67. --Dave -- Dave Schwabe "If you're in control, you're not going fast enough" -- Parnelli Jones The Aussie Toad -- GPL Brabham Page http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Well yes and no Doug.. There was back in 1967 "two" LeMans race. What he is talking is the Formula 1 event that was raced on the Bugatti circuit back in 1967 for the F1 season. The Bugatti uses parts of the front-stretch and goes into some parking lot I think after. Because they didn't run at Rouen back in 1967. Papyrus decided to not include Bugatti because it was simply boring (never heard of other reasons). > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > based on the 1966 seazon? -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

i heard it was to do with copyright etc, same reasons as cooper and honda are not in the game (til we patched it), it maybe due to how boring the race was, however it would be nice to have the real circuit (dave!!!!!!) ruby > LeMans is in there because the French round of the 67 WC was there... not on

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> the Sports car circuit, but a different one that apparently was lame. The > track wasn't included in GPL because of this lameness, so a real French > circuit (Rouen) was substituted. They raced at Rouen before and after 67. > --Dave > -- > Dave Schwabe > "If you're in control, you're not going fast enough" -- Parnelli Jones > The Aussie Toad -- GPL Brabham Page > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > based on the 1966 seazon? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion

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The Bugatti track was the original "Micky Mouse" circuit, a phrase coined by Black Jack himself, I believe. don [|]-(_)-[|] >LeMans is in there because the French round of the 67 WC was there... not on

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>the Sports car circuit, but a different one that apparently was lame. The >track wasn't included in GPL because of this lameness, so a real French >circuit (Rouen) was substituted. They raced at Rouen before and after 67. >--Dave >-- >Dave Schwabe >"If you're in control, you're not going fast enough" -- Parnelli Jones >The Aussie Toad -- GPL Brabham Page >http://users.wi.net/~schwabe >> I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole >> and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was >> then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really >> based on the 1966 seazon? >> * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion

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Hmm... very to-the-point reply, but a bit wrong really. The 1967 French GP was held at the Le Mans "Bugatti" circuit, which included part of the front stretch of the main track. The track was, well, crap, and totally unworthy of the race at a time when it could be held at Rouen or Clermont-Ferrand. It seems Papy agreed and decided to include Rouen instead. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

>LeMans is in there because the French round of the 67 WC was there... not on >the Sports car circuit, but a different one that apparently was lame. The >track wasn't included in GPL because of this lameness, so a real French >circuit (Rouen) was substituted. They raced at Rouen before and after 67. >--Dave When was Magny Cours built? That would be fun in a 67 Ferarri... :::drooling::: Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The "Le Mans" circuit referred to is the horrible little blot on the landscape called the "Le Mans - Bugatti" track......not the layout used for the 24 Hours race. It was omitted by Papyrus because they considered it to be unworthy of inclusion.....thank God!! Even the drivers back then hated the track and JB dubbed it a "Mickey Mouse" layout.

Doug, he's referring to the Le Mans - Bugatti circuit, on which the 1967 F1 race was held. > GPL stands for Grand Prix Legends. Grand Prix is a completely different > sport than LeMans. Completely different cars and drivers. LeMans is a race

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> that takes place in France and last for 24 hours. Grand Prix Legends is > based on Formula 1 races during the 1967 season. > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > based on the 1966 seazon? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion

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It (the real circuit) is as boring as hell and you would fall asleep before completing a full-length race on it. > i heard it was to do with copyright etc, same reasons as cooper and honda > are not in the game (til we patched it), it maybe due to how boring the race > was, however it would be nice to have the real circuit (dave!!!!!!) > ruby > > LeMans is in there because the French round of the 67 WC was there... not > on > > the Sports car circuit, but a different one that apparently was lame. The > > track wasn't included in GPL because of this lameness, so a real French > > circuit (Rouen) was substituted. They raced at Rouen before and after 67.

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> > --Dave > > -- > > Dave Schwabe > > "If you're in control, you're not going fast enough" -- Parnelli Jones > > The Aussie Toad -- GPL Brabham Page > > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe > > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > > based on the 1966 seazon? > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion > Network > > * > > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet -

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lol um....... wrong! the Le Mans track was used in an F1 race in 1967, Papyrus replaced it with Rouen (which was 1966 and 1968 race location) because Le Mans was considered boring (tsk.) -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > GPL stands for Grand Prix Legends. Grand Prix is a completely different > sport than LeMans. Completely different cars and drivers. LeMans is a race > that takes place in France and last for 24 hours. Grand Prix Legends is > based on Formula 1 races during the 1967 season. > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > based on the 1966 seazon? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network > * > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Magny-Cours was first used in 1991, I presume it was built then too, I think first race there was International F3000. -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek !

> Doug, he's referring to the Le Mans - Bugatti circuit, on which the 1967 F1 > race was held. Boy, has this Bugatti circuit taken Pepper! :-) To all of you; it is just as "boring" as 95% of the tracks on todays F1 circuit....... But it does have lots of overtaking spots, and the soul who can come up to me and call the righthander after the pit straight boring, with or without chicane, is a raving lunatic! :-D Erm,...IMO! Matt -- --------------------------------- Matthew Birger Knutsen The Art of Legends; http://www.gpl.electra.no Cheek Racing Cars; http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

There's actually an exciting F1 circuit today???? WOW! <vbg> :) Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

Tim....it wasn't just Papyrus who considered the Le Mans-Bugatti circuit boring....the drivers did too!

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> lol um....... wrong! the Le Mans track was used in an F1 race in 1967, > Papyrus replaced it with Rouen (which was 1966 and 1968 race location) > because Le Mans was considered boring (tsk.) > -- > TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. > The Homemade HondaFreek! > Visit the Honda Homepage ! > http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html > or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > > GPL stands for Grand Prix Legends. Grand Prix is a completely different > > sport than LeMans. Completely different cars and drivers. LeMans is a > race > > that takes place in France and last for 24 hours. Grand Prix Legends is > > based on Formula 1 races during the 1967 season. > > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > > based on the 1966 seazon? > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion > Network > > * > > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet -

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It's called "Spa".

Matt...transfer yourself back to the 1960s. You are a F1 racing driver who has raced on the "cream" of European and North American circuits. You are informed that the next French GP will be held on the "Bugatti" circuit at Le Mans....part of which traverses a car park (remember....this is years before Caesar's Palace!). Now, having stormed the twists and turns of such splendid and adrenalin-pumping tracks as Spa-Francorchamps, the Nurburgring, Zandvoort, Kyalami, Monza and, last year, Rouen and only a couple of years previously, Rheims, how would YOU rate "Bugatti" ..........."exciting"??!! :o) > > Doug, he's referring to the Le Mans - Bugatti circuit, on which the 1967 F1

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> > race was held. > Boy, has this Bugatti circuit taken Pepper! :-) > To all of you; it is just as "boring" as 95% of the tracks on todays F1 > circuit....... > But it does have lots of overtaking spots, and the soul who can come up to

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> and call the righthander after the pit straight boring, with or without > chicane, is a raving lunatic! :-D > Erm,...IMO! > Matt > -- > --------------------------------- > Matthew Birger Knutsen > The Art of Legends; > http://www.gpl.electra.no > Cheek Racing Cars; > http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

Magny's been around for decades but it wasn't "modernised" until President Mitterand(?) decided it would be a better home for the French GP from 1991 onwards. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

> Matt...transfer yourself back to the 1960s. You are a F1 racing driver who > has raced on the "cream" of European and North American circuits. You are > informed that the next French GP will be held on the "Bugatti" circuit at Le > Mans....part of which traverses a car park (remember....this is years before > Caesar's Palace!). Yeah, I'm with you Bruce :-) My point was/is, I think it's more likely that it was a licensing issue. The 67 Silverstone isn't particularly interesting/extreme IMO....Papy would have done Brands :-) But it is one of my favourite circuits for *racing*! Matt -- --------------------------------- Matthew Birger Knutsen The Art of Legends; http://www.gpl.electra.no Cheek Racing Cars; http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

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> >LeMans is in there because the French round of the 67 WC was there... not on > >the Sports car circuit, but a different one that apparently was lame. The > >track wasn't included in GPL because of this lameness, so a real French > >circuit (Rouen) was substituted. They raced at Rouen before and after 67. > >--Dave > When was Magny Cours built? That would be fun in a 67 Ferarri...

Magny Cours is typical of today's circuits and is as bad as the Le Mans "Bugatti" circuit! The primary objective for the track designer is how to cram a 2+ mile circuit into as small an area as possible. - Michael

'67 GP was held at the Le Mans/Bugatti circuit, not at Rouen like in GPL.

Yes, maybe it's simply just a licensing problem! At the time GPL was in development, Electronic Arts secured the rights on Le Mans for doing a 24h simulation called "Porsche at Le Mans"! That project died, but nevertheless the licensing might have been *exclusive*. -Thorsten Rueter Matthew Birger Knutsen schrieb:

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> > Matt...transfer yourself back to the 1960s. You are a F1 racing driver who > > has raced on the "cream" of European and North American circuits. You are > > informed that the next French GP will be held on the "Bugatti" circuit at Le > > Mans....part of which traverses a car park (remember....this is years before > > Caesar's Palace!). > Yeah, I'm with you Bruce :-) > My point was/is, I think it's more likely that it was a licensing issue. The 67 > Silverstone isn't > particularly interesting/extreme IMO....Papy would have done Brands :-) > But it is one of my favourite circuits for *racing*! > Matt > -- > --------------------------------- > Matthew Birger Knutsen > The Art of Legends; > http://www.gpl.electra.no > Cheek Racing Cars; > http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

so? I would of liked to have both rouen and Lemans, i'm greedy that way <g> -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > Tim....it wasn't just Papyrus who considered the Le Mans-Bugatti circuit > boring....the drivers did too! > > lol um....... wrong! the Le Mans track was used in an F1 race in 1967, > > Papyrus replaced it with Rouen (which was 1966 and 1968 race location) > > because Le Mans was considered boring (tsk.) > > -- > > TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. > > The Homemade HondaFreek! > > Visit the Honda Homepage ! > > http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html > > or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > > > GPL stands for Grand Prix Legends. Grand Prix is a completely different > > > sport than LeMans. Completely different cars and drivers. LeMans is a > > race > > > that takes place in France and last for 24 hours. Grand Prix Legends is > > > based on Formula 1 races during the 1967 season. > > > > I was on www.theuspits.com and saw that they posted pole > > > > and race times for Le Mans for the 1967 season? Why was > > > > then Le Mans ommitted from the game. Or was GPL really > > > > based on the 1966 seazon? > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion > > Network > > > * > > > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - > Free!

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:11:07 +0200, Thorsten Rueter >Yes, maybe it's simply just a licensing problem! At the time GPL was in >development, Electronic Arts secured the rights on Le Mans for doing >a 24h simulation called "Porsche at Le Mans"! That project died, but >nevertheless the licensing might have been *exclusive*. Actually (and this is information I got from then-EAC president Don Mattrick), the project was to have been "McLaren at Le Mans". I actually remember a flyer in the box of NFS1 (?) which contained a brief blurb about the game and a mockup of the cover art. That was the last I heard of it. I don't know what EA did with the Le Mans licence but it's clear that they kept the McLaren licence for NFS2 (and keep it still for NFSHS). Question to anyone who knows: Did the EA game Mario Andretti Racing (not the newer Andretti Racing) contain the 24h Le Mans circuit? Martin Nigel Mansell RIP!

> Question to anyone who knows: Did the EA game Mario Andretti >Racing (not the newer Andretti Racing) contain the 24h Le Mans >circuit? Yes, it did...you could drive with all the cars within the game on that track...needless to say that the F1 was my favorite... Remco

Strange... In the German media it was definetely "Porsche at Le Mans" -Thorsten Rueter Martin Ursua schrieb:

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> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:11:07 +0200, Thorsten Rueter > >Yes, maybe it's simply just a licensing problem! At the time GPL was in > >development, Electronic Arts secured the rights on Le Mans for doing > >a 24h simulation called "Porsche at Le Mans"! That project died, but > >nevertheless the licensing might have been *exclusive*. > Actually (and this is information I got from then-EAC > president Don Mattrick), the project was to have been "McLaren at Le > Mans". I actually remember a flyer in the box of NFS1 (?) which > contained a brief blurb about the game and a mockup of the cover art. > That was the last I heard of it. I don't know what EA did with the Le > Mans licence but it's clear that they kept the McLaren licence for > NFS2 (and keep it still for NFSHS). > Question to anyone who knows: Did the EA game Mario Andretti > Racing (not the newer Andretti Racing) contain the 24h Le Mans > circuit? > Martin > Nigel Mansell RIP!

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>> When was Magny Cours built? That would be fun in a 67 Ferarri... >Magny Cours is typical of today's circuits and is as bad as the Le Mans >"Bugatti" circuit! The primary objective for the track designer is how to >cram a 2+ mile circuit into as small an area as possible. >- Michael

Ok, so sue me - I *like* the track, at least in it's GP2 config. I also like Interlagos and Imola. Leave it to me to like the strange circuits... :-) Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:38:23 +0200, Thorsten Rueter >Strange... >In the German media it was definetely "Porsche at Le Mans" Possibly two different projects? After all, we do see that EA holds a McLaren and a Porsche licence in the latest NFS. Martin Nigel Mansell RIP!

Yes, it did (and what a diabolical little effort that game was!) knows: Did the EA game Mario Andretti

Yep.....you could be correct. I never thought of that aspect. If so...thank God for the situation that gave us Rouen over Le-Mans - Bugatti!! :o) > > Matt...transfer yourself back to the 1960s. You are a F1 racing driver who > > has raced on the "cream" of European and North American circuits. You are > > informed that the next French GP will be held on the "Bugatti" circuit at Le > > Mans....part of which traverses a car park (remember....this is years before > > Caesar's Palace!). > Yeah, I'm with you Bruce :-) > My point was/is, I think it's more likely that it was a licensing issue. The 67

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> Silverstone isn't > particularly interesting/extreme IMO....Papy would have done Brands :-) > But it is one of my favourite circuits for *racing*! > Matt > -- > --------------------------------- > Matthew Birger Knutsen > The Art of Legends; > http://www.gpl.electra.no > Cheek Racing Cars; > http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

lol sorry guys, Graeme, you're too damn clever!! I think you've got too many books mate! :o)) -- TIM "Calm Down" WHEATLEY. The Homemade HondaFreek! Visit the Honda Homepage ! http://underworld.fortunecity.com/arcadia/509/index.html or E-Mail the HondaFreek ! > >Magny-Cours was first used in 1991, I presume it was built then too, I think > >first race there was International F3000. > Magny's been around for decades but it wasn't "modernised" until > President Mitterand(?) decided it would be a better home for the French > GP from 1991 onwards. > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > ICQ# 11257824

The International Formula Three Championship visited Magny Cours as early as 1978, but I'm not sure if it resembled the current 'facility'. When France had perfectly good tracks like Clermont Ferrand it makes you wonder why they now want to bore us to death doesn't it? Steve >>Magny-Cours was first used in 1991, I presume it was built then too, I think

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>>first race there was International F3000. >Magny's been around for decades but it wasn't "modernised" until >President Mitterand(?) decided it would be a better home for the French >GP from 1991 onwards. >-- >Cheers! >Graeme Nash >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk >ICQ# 11257824

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