SCGT IN UK?

Is SCGT available in the UK? I've heard so much about it in these newsgroups but I havn't seen it in any shops. If not, can anyone recommend a decent mail order site? Thanks Andy Marson

I'd avoid the game really... if you've got GPL and TOCA2 you're sorted because SCGT isn't as good as either of them. M

> I'd avoid the game really... if you've got GPL and TOCA2 you're sorted > because SCGT isn't as good as either of them. TOCA2 better than SCGT ? Is there a career mode in one of them ? -- ==================================== Sbastien Tixier - Game Developper

Yeah there's one in SCGT but it still doesn't stop it from being a worse racing sim/game than TOCA2. SCGT is so close but yet so far from being a good sports car sim and even further from being a good racing sim/game. M

That's definitely a matter of opinion. Even although I enjoy BTCC more than GT racing I find SCGT far more fun to drive and race than TOCA2. Neither is particularly wonderful and neither is horrendously bad - it just depends which one appeals to your joy department. Cheers! John

so ... wich the most arcade and wich is the most sim ? -- ==================================== Sbastien Tixier - Game Developper

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SCGT with the advanced options patch set to "Pure Sim and Slick Grass" is the most sim-ish. There is nothing like taking your Mustang GT2 or Panoz out for a spin or 2 at Mosport! My experience with TOCA2 is only with the demo, but it felt too easy to drive, IMHO. If you like easy to drive, SCGT does that too with the original physics so you can have the best of both worlds. It sure is a blast with up to 7 drivers on the net (cable or ADSL is strongly recommended). Jason.

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> so ... > wich the most arcade and wich is the most sim ? > -- > ==================================== > Sbastien Tixier - Game Developper

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TOCA 2 has NO representation of understeer when cornering. I've spent a LOT of time on it the last week or so, and since the game also includes "skid pad" track it allowed me to experiment with the physics model. I'll immediately add that the physics model alone doesn't make or break the game, but so you know, TOCA 2has no cornering understeer whatsoever. The only tires that lose grip are the rears, and they will do it with little provocation. If you want realism in the physics model, TOCA 2 is inferior to SCGT. As far as the overall comparisons? Well, hang in there, I'll be done with the review in the next day or two. Randy >so ... >wich the most arcade and wich is the most sim ? Randy Magruder http://members.home.com/rmagruder

Andy Some people just can not answer a simple question. Yes - SCGT is available in the UK, in fact I picked up the box in PC World, (London -Moorgate branch), only this afternoon. Therefore find out where your nearest PCW is and give them a ring. Have fun SteveG

Thanks guys, maybe i'll pop along and have a look for it. Seems to have mixed reviews but driving at night in a Panoz seems too much to resist.... Andy Marson > Andy > Some people just can not answer a simple question. > Yes - SCGT is available in the UK, in fact I picked up the box in PC World,

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> (London -Moorgate branch), only this afternoon. Therefore find out where > your nearest PCW is and give them a ring. > Have fun > SteveG > > Is SCGT available in the UK? I've heard so much about it in these > newsgroups > > but I havn't seen it in any shops. If not, can anyone recommend a decent > > mail order site? > > Thanks > > Andy Marson

I had trouble getting a copy but PC World seem to have it now, my local Game store don't. Also mailorder, Gameplay might, see PC mags for Gameplay ad no web site though. I haven't found a decent UK based web retailer. If someone knows of one please tell me too. Andi. >Is SCGT available in the UK? I've heard so much about it in these newsgroups >but I havn't seen it in any shops. If not, can anyone recommend a decent >mail order site? >Thanks >Andy Marson

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>TOCA 2 has NO representation of understeer when cornering. I've spent >a LOT of time on it the last week or so, and since the game also >includes "skid pad" track it allowed me to experiment with the >physics model. I'll immediately add that the physics model alone >doesn't make or break the game, but so you know, TOCA 2has no >cornering understeer whatsoever. The only tires that lose grip are >the rears, and they will do it with little provocation. If you want >realism in the physics model, TOCA 2 is inferior to SCGT. As far as >the overall comparisons? Well, hang in there, I'll be done with the >review in the next day or two.

Hey, Randy. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this flaw in a game that could have been much better (just my opinion folks - I don't like TOCA2, I do like SCGT, simple as that). The game seems artificially difficult to me in that respect. Watch motorsport on TV. Generally, if you head into a corner too fast, you'll understeer off into the kitty litter. I can't think of one form of four wheeled, tarmac circuit based racing where this isn't true. Try it in TOCA2 and what will happen, or maybe I should say what -appears- to happen is that the front will dig in and make the turn while the rear loses grip, sending you into a spin. That puts me right off the product. That, and the way the car rockets to it's top speed and bounces off it's rev limiter in top. I'm guessing that's a way of keeping laptimes down - not allowing you to set the car up so that it only tops out at the very fastest part of the circuit. I suppose if setups allowed that then we'd have 190mph super tourers! I'll add that I'm definately in a minority by not liking this title, so to anyone thinking of buying it, don't let me put you off - try a demo or borrow a friends copy (what I did). To those who own and enjoy TOCA2, carry on. I wish I did, because I'd like another closed wheel sim. I tried it (gave it a good chance, too) and wanted to like it, but it just didn't 'pump my nads'. I don't want to start another SCGT vs TOCA2 flamefest. Mark Reading, UK

>Is SCGT available in the UK? I've heard so much about it in these newsgroups >but I havn't seen it in any shops. If not, can anyone recommend a decent >mail order site? As above AND... SCGT is not what to ask for (or look on the box for). You probably already know this, but just in case, it actually stands for Sports Car GT. It's by EA and has a head on photo of a BMW M3 on the box. BTW, got mine from PC World in Reading. Mark Reading, UK

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> >TOCA 2 has NO representation of understeer when cornering. I've spent > >a LOT of time on it the last week or so, and since the game also > >includes "skid pad" track it allowed me to experiment with the > >physics model. I'll immediately add that the physics model alone > >doesn't make or break the game, but so you know, TOCA 2has no > >cornering understeer whatsoever. The only tires that lose grip are > >the rears, and they will do it with little provocation. If you want > >realism in the physics model, TOCA 2 is inferior to SCGT. As far as > >the overall comparisons? Well, hang in there, I'll be done with the > >review in the next day or two. > Hey, Randy. > I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this flaw in a game that could > have been much better (just my opinion folks - I don't like TOCA2, I do like > SCGT, simple as that). The game seems artificially difficult to me in that > respect. Watch motorsport on TV. Generally, if you head into a corner too > fast, you'll understeer off into the kitty litter. I can't think of one > form of four wheeled, tarmac circuit based racing where this isn't true. > Try it in TOCA2 and what will happen, or maybe I should say what -appears- > to happen is that the front will dig in and make the turn while the rear > loses grip, sending you into a spin. > That puts me right off the product. That, and the way the car rockets to > it's top speed and bounces off it's rev limiter in top. I'm guessing that's > a way of keeping laptimes down - not allowing you to set the car up so that > it only tops out at the very fastest part of the circuit. I suppose if > setups allowed that then we'd have 190mph super tourers! > I'll add that I'm definately in a minority by not liking this title, so to > anyone thinking of buying it, don't let me put you off - try a demo or > borrow a friends copy (what I did). To those who own and enjoy TOCA2, carry > on. I wish I did, because I'd like another closed wheel sim. I tried it > (gave it a good chance, too) and wanted to like it, but it just didn't 'pump > my nads'. I don't want to start another SCGT vs TOCA2 flamefest. > Mark > Reading, UK

I think you forgot that a btcc car is a front wheel-drive: the front wheels lose grip before the rear when you are too fast in a turn. But TOCA2 is not a sim : too easy and easier with a keyboard than with a wheel.And TOCA2 is graphically(?) ugly compared to SCGT.

> I think you forgot that a btcc car is a front wheel-drive: the front >wheels lose grip before the rear when you are too fast in a turn. > But TOCA2 is not a sim : too easy and easier with a keyboard than with >a wheel.And TOCA2 is graphically(?) ugly compared to SCGT. Uh, no, I didn't forget. They are all front-wheel drives that's for sure, and understeer is definitely going to be a bigger problem than oversteer, and having no understeer whatsoever crushes the physics model. As far as whether TOCA 2 is ugly compared to SCGT? I don't think that's a definite yes or no. They both have ways in which they shine graphically and ways in which they do not. Randy Randy Magruder [link lost in import]