I wants old VROC with GPL 1.0

Yeah, so it looks pretty dead at the original VROC! This bites, as I'm not going anywhere near the GPL patch what with the problems it's giving people. Guess I'll have to continue "playing with myself"... Hot Pants

On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:19:14 -0700, "Hot Pants" >Yeah, so it looks pretty dead at the original VROC! This bites, as I'm not >going anywhere near the GPL patch what with the problems it's giving people. >Guess I'll have to continue "playing with myself"... You should at least give it a try, since a lot of us *aren't* having problems. Most online slowdowns have been solved with using the old sync method (0). Most offline slowdowns have been traced to PCI internal modems. There will be a new patch, but that's weeks away. So why deprive yourself, Mr. Pants? If you feel really scared by the patch, either: * do a completely separate install of 1.1, or * save a copy of your 1.0 GPL.EXE and CORE.INI and swap with the 1.1 versions if you want to go back (that's what we're doing in the GPLWS). "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

> Yeah, so it looks pretty dead at the original VROC! This bites, as I'm not > going anywhere near the GPL patch what with the problems it's giving people. > Guess I'll have to continue "playing with myself"... I've also felt that it's harder to get a decent race at VROC since the 1.1 patch came out. There seem to be less drivers out there, but the main thing I've noticed is that what with all these dedicated servers hosting races continuously, the drivers are spread more thinly between them. It seems to me that people stay in the paddock waiting to see which server everyone else will join before committing themselves! The pings are much better, but what's the point of that if you're the only one in the race? On top of all that, I've now found that the AI are great fun to race with - the consensus seems to be that they've actually improved since 1.0, but I couldn't say that for certain - it's only recently that I've become quick enough to compete with the top AI cars.

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>I've also felt that it's harder to get a decent race at VROC since the >1.1 patch came out. > >There seem to be less drivers out there, but the main thing I've noticed >is that what with all these dedicated servers hosting races >continuously, the drivers are spread more thinly between them. > >It seems to me that people stay in the paddock waiting to see which >server everyone else will join before committing themselves! > >The pings are much better, but what's the point of that if you're the >only one in the race?

Neil, I've mentioned the same thing for the last several nights in the chatroom at spyboy2. The same half dozen or so dedicated servers are hosting unattended races,and most of them have 1 driver listed,the host. What races have 6 or more drivers are either private races or F2 or F3. I don't understand the point of allowing these unattended races,as it doesn't promote racing,but quite the opposite. We were actually better off with the old system. I wound up hot lapping several times,and this isn't what VROC is all about. And the strange thing is that several times while in the chat room,we decided to race at a track with a host from the chat room. Joel Willstein [email hidden]

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> Neil, > I've mentioned the same thing for the last several nights in the > chatroom at spyboy2. The same half dozen or so dedicated servers are hosting > unattended races,and most of them have 1 driver listed,the host. What races > have 6 or more drivers are either private races or F2 or F3. > I don't understand the point of allowing these unattended races,as it > doesn't promote racing,but quite the opposite. We were actually better off > with the old system. I wound up hot lapping several times,and this isn't > what VROC is all about. > And the strange thing is that several times while in the chat room,we > decided to race at a track with a host from the chat room.

In the old scheme of things I often hosted races and we had a great time, even though the actual connection was not as good as with these new servers. Maybe it would be better if the servers were more "public", so that anyone from the chat room could control one remotely - that way a group of people could decide to race at a certain track and then commandeer an unused server to host the race. It's just a question of the "boss" password being known to the racers, I believe. I guess this is a bit dodgy in that you can have more than one boss for a server and they might disagree over where to go next!

The problem isn't too many servers, but rather too few drivers to fill them. So for all of you who have been thinking about *maybe* trying online racing, here's your opportunity. See you there! http://www.vroc.net On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:34:50 -0400, "Joel Willstein"

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>>I've also felt that it's harder to get a decent race at VROC since the >>1.1 patch came out. >> >>There seem to be less drivers out there, but the main thing I've noticed >>is that what with all these dedicated servers hosting races >>continuously, the drivers are spread more thinly between them. >> >>It seems to me that people stay in the paddock waiting to see which >>server everyone else will join before committing themselves! >> >>The pings are much better, but what's the point of that if you're the >>only one in the race? >Neil, > I've mentioned the same thing for the last several nights in the >chatroom at spyboy2. The same half dozen or so dedicated servers are hosting >unattended races,and most of them have 1 driver listed,the host. What races >have 6 or more drivers are either private races or F2 or F3. > I don't understand the point of allowing these unattended races,as it >doesn't promote racing,but quite the opposite. We were actually better off >with the old system. I wound up hot lapping several times,and this isn't >what VROC is all about. > And the strange thing is that several times while in the chat room,we >decided to race at a track with a host from the chat room. >Joel Willstein >[email hidden]

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Nothing wrong with that at all.

I agree Chris, that's strange for us, isn't it.. ? :-) On the subject of too many dedicated hosts and not enough drivers, down here in Australia, a lot of us would love to join some of the dedicated hosts of an evening (Australian time) but some of the dedicated hosts in question have the maximum latency set too low to allow us to enter, so the dedicated hosts simply sit their in all their low latency dedicated glory doing no-one any good at all.. What's the sense of creating a dedicated host, if dedicated racers can't get into it ? Please, dedicated hosts, set your maximum latency allowed at 600, it will certainly get more people involved in GPL, and "NO", a client with a ping of 400 to 600 will NOT create warpy and accident prone racing.!! Cheers, Ron

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>I agree Chris, that's strange for us, isn't it.. ? :-) >On the subject of too many dedicated hosts and not enough drivers, down >here in Australia, a lot of us would love to join some of the dedicated >hosts of an evening (Australian time) but some of the dedicated hosts >in question have the maximum latency set too low to allow us to enter, >so the dedicated hosts simply sit their in all their low latency >dedicated glory doing no-one any good at all.. >What's the sense of creating a dedicated host, if dedicated racers >can't get into it ? >Please, dedicated hosts, set your maximum latency allowed at 600, it >will certainly get more people involved in GPL, and "NO", a client with >a ping of 400 to 600 will NOT create warpy and accident prone racing.!! >Cheers, >Ron

Mine's set up with NO limits on entering(E. Pickett). Try it out, and send me some e-mail feedback on how it works for you. It'll be running all weekend. Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Please, dedicated hosts, set your maximum latency allowed at 600, it >will certainly get more people involved in GPL, and "NO", a client with >a ping of 400 to 600 will NOT create warpy and accident prone racing.!! I second that! Joined a race on an Australian host (I am from the Netherlands, can't be further away <g>) and it was certainly raceable with a latency of 650ms! Remco