GPL: Pit board question

OK I slightly scanned the manual and did not totally RTFM. However I noticed that when I would do a crappy lap the pit board would show a good time. When I did a good lap many times the pit board would show a poor time. I finally figured out that the pit board must be showing you the lap times from the previous lap! YIKES!!!! I am having fun though :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> OK I slightly scanned the manual and did not totally > RTFM. Yup Greg...the pit board lap times are indeed delayed by one lap. Anyone notice that the pitboard is hardly (if at all) mentioned in either of the two GPL printed manuals? It is of course mentioned in the readme.txt file. Having a blast here too, Greg. The Logitech FF wheel is a great enhancement to GPL and has replaced my TM GP1 wheel and it's paddle-based throttle/accelerator. And even though I'm slow as a slug (1:37:66 at Monza), it's still great fun. Seems like I could beat that time in my real '94 Mustang GT (gimme a fresh set of Gatorbacks though). 8) -- Sergey Zakharov

That is the case. In '67 they had to put the numbers on the board and hold them up when the driver came around the next time. You get used to it. I am having a little difficulty though, with some of the new lap board placements in GPL 1.1. It seems as though some of them are in the toughest places to look :/

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> OK I slightly scanned the manual and did not totally > RTFM. > However I noticed that when I would do a crappy lap > the pit board would show a good time. When I did a good > lap many times the pit board would show a poor time. > I finally figured out that the pit board must be showing you > the lap times from the previous lap! YIKES!!!! > I am having fun though :-) > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Well other answered the main question, but.. You finally got GPL ? Wow you did the correct step!. r.a.s. would love to have a mini-review of what you finally think of GPL, and compared to the other sims on the market. Finally you got it ! hehehe. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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>> I am having fun though :-) >Well other answered the main question, but.. >You finally got GPL ? Wow you did the correct step!. r.a.s. would love to >have a mini-review of what you finally think of GPL, and compared to the >other sims on the market. Finally you got it ! hehehe.

Yes I got it. It is quite allot of fun too. Especially when you get the brake bias setup correctly, or closer to what you need :-) As for the mini-review. Well if anyone other than the official mental ras person thinks it would be a good thing, then I would consider it. However I would feel somewhat foolish to post a mini-review after everyone has used this game for quite some time. But the FF is new and that is what pulled me in. I do know already that I would not like the game much without FF :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

The only one that changed in 1.1 was at the Nurburgring, which was moved to the straight that is parallel to the front straight. This gives your pit board guy time to stuff all the letters/numbers on the board for the current lap. Randy

Have you done your first lap at the Nurburgring yet ? :) Or the first time you get airbone at the Flugsplatz and actually not wreck after ? ;) The first time you trail-brake into the Parabolica with a Lotus ? :) Look at my signature Im not anymore the OMGuy of r.a.s. :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Hey now, don't kick a man when he's up. :> > > I am having fun though :-) > Well other answered the main question, but.. > You finally got GPL ? Wow you did the correct step!. r.a.s. would love to

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> have a mini-review of what you finally think of GPL, and compared to the > other sims on the market. Finally you got it ! hehehe. > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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> > That is the case. In '67 they had to put the numbers on the board > and hold > > them up when the driver came around the next time. You get used to > it. > > I am having a little difficulty though, with some of the new lap > board > > placements in GPL 1.1. It seems as though some of them are in the > toughest > > places to look :/ > The only one that changed in 1.1 was at the Nurburgring, which was > moved to the straight that is parallel to the front straight. This > gives your pit board guy time to stuff all the letters/numbers on the > board for the current lap. > Randy

I was in some of Alison's races last night (and so were you in fact :-), anyway in many of the races my pitboard guy would find the strangest places to line himself up, i think he were playing practical jokes on me! :-) First race (monza) was ok. Second race at Mosport he decided to position himself just out of the last turn instead of at the end of the s/f straight. No big deal as I still got to read my pitboard on the s/f straight. Third race however (silverstone) he started really having fun with me! This time he figured an appropriate place to show the pitboard was in the middle of Abbey! As you might image it was quite hard to both figure out what he was trying to tell me and make the corner! At least I could blame him when I caused a huge pileup there on lap 1 :-) (of course he didn't show the board on lap 1, but he was there so I blame him :-) Fourth race (Spa) and he went totally mental when he picked the second most ridiculous place on the track to position himself (on the entry to Malmedy). Needless to say I never both made the corner and figured out what the board said! Figuring I had had enough of the guy and it was about time to fire him I exited gpl and re-entered in hope of getting a more sensible pitboardguy, and for the next race at Zandvoort he was back to where he should be (although this time I was discoed). Now thinking this had been a one time problem, a little later in the evening I tried to join a Monza race (again at Alison's). But now my very funny board guy was back this time positioning himself in the middle of Ascari! And I wo had thought I had fired the guy! Ok so obviously there's some problem here... Did experience this problem once some months ago in 1.0 (board at Ascari at Monza that time), but it was only for that one race and never happened again until tonight when it happened 4 times! BTW I'm still using the original track.ini for all the tracks in question. -- Arne Martin

Does the host have control over lap-board placement in an on-line race? I've been seeing it in very wierd places on VROC at tracks like Rouen (Just before Six Freres) and Silverstone (at Abbey) - I just tested those two tracks in practice and everything was fine :/ David Cook

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> > That is the case. In '67 they had to put the numbers on the board > and hold > > them up when the driver came around the next time. You get used to > it. > > I am having a little difficulty though, with some of the new lap > board > > placements in GPL 1.1. It seems as though some of them are in the > toughest > > places to look :/ > The only one that changed in 1.1 was at the Nurburgring, which was > moved to the straight that is parallel to the front straight. This > gives your pit board guy time to stuff all the letters/numbers on the > board for the current lap. > Randy

> Does the host have control over lap-board placement in an on-line race? Don't think so... I had two Monza races at Alison's server last night. In the first one the pitboard was in it's normal place, while in the second it was at Ascari! Also seen the board at Abbey at Silverstone, as well as at Malmedy at Spa, and in T10 at Mosport. I think the pitboardguy has become bored and starting to have fun with us! It used to be just bogus intervals, now he's gone further and change position from race to race :-) -- Arne Martin

On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:11:54 +0200, Arne Martin >> Does the host have control over lap-board placement in an on-line race? >Don't think so... I think so. Its place is defined in the track.ini-file, like the starting grids. AFAIK the hosts track.ini file is used by every client in an multiplayer race - that's why online hosts should have installed the online-starting grids for cleaner starts. -- Matthias Flatt

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> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:11:54 +0200, Arne Martin > >> Does the host have control over lap-board placement in an on-line race? > >Don't think so... > I think so. Its place is defined in the track.ini-file, like the > starting grids. AFAIK the hosts track.ini file is used by every client > in an multiplayer race - that's why online hosts should have installed > the online-starting grids for cleaner starts.

But even if the grids are from the host's track.ini, doesn't mean everything else from the host's track.ini is used. I've been using an edited track.ini at the ring to place the pitboard on the backstraight for months (not quite the same place where it is placed in after 1.1 patch, a little further down and on the other side), but when hosting races I've never heard anyone mention that their pitboard was on the backstraight as well, in fact on the contrary I've heard others say that they***up T1 due to the pitboard again :-) And the other way round: when I join anyone else's race at the ring I still get my pitboard where I have placed it in my track.ini file. Also this doesn't explain my probs at Monza last night, first race was ok, second pitboard was at Ascari on the same host on the same evening! Don't think Alison was having fun changing her track.ini while we were racing :-) -- Arne Martin

And don't ever have the misfortune to start from the pit lane. You will only register your first lap after the end of your third lap if your pit stall happens to be in front of the start line. This effectively puts you a lap down and hence effectively out of the race. Mark

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> > OK I slightly scanned the manual and did not totally > > RTFM. > Yup Greg...the pit board lap times are indeed delayed by one lap. Anyone > notice that the pitboard is hardly (if at all) mentioned in either of > the two GPL printed manuals? It is of course mentioned in the readme.txt > file. > > I am having fun though :-) > Having a blast here too, Greg. The Logitech FF wheel is a great > enhancement to GPL and has replaced my TM GP1 wheel and it's > paddle-based throttle/accelerator. And even though I'm slow as a slug > (1:37:66 at Monza), it's still great fun. Seems like I could beat that > time in my real '94 Mustang GT (gimme a fresh set of Gatorbacks though). > 8) > -- > Sergey Zakharov

Is it the same guy holding the pit board who paints the lines for the grid? I ask this because a few nights ago I was in a race at Silverstone where we had an unconventional start. When we all hit the green flag to go to the start line, Mr Scotty beamed us all across to half way along the hangar straight. We all sat there for an extremely long time owing to the fact that the started had not been told about this change of plan. He was waving his flag furiously in front of the pits of course <G> Mark

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> Does the host have control over lap-board placement in an on-line race? > I've been seeing it in very wierd places on VROC at tracks like Rouen > (Just before Six Freres) and Silverstone (at Abbey) - I just tested those > two tracks in practice and everything was fine :/ > David Cook > > > That is the case. In '67 they had to put the numbers on the board > > and hold > > > them up when the driver came around the next time. You get used to > > it. > > > I am having a little difficulty though, with some of the new lap > > board > > > placements in GPL 1.1. It seems as though some of them are in the > > toughest > > > places to look :/ > > The only one that changed in 1.1 was at the Nurburgring, which was > > moved to the straight that is parallel to the front straight. This > > gives your pit board guy time to stuff all the letters/numbers on the > > board for the current lap. > > Randy

I've also had experiences online with the 1.1 patch where the "Paper" would show the wrong track. Anyone else have this happen? --David Cook

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> Also this doesn't explain my probs at Monza last night, first race was > ok, second pitboard was at Ascari on the same host on the same evening! > Don't think Alison was having fun changing her track.ini while we were > racing :-) > -- > Arne Martin

% And don't ever have the misfortune to start from the pit lane. You will only % register your first lap after the end of your third lap if your pit stall % happens to be in front of the start line. This effectively puts you a lap % down and hence effectively out of the race. And since Papy (hopefully that is) is patching the patch, I would like to see this fixed. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I saw the Ascari pitboard once at Monza in GPL 1.0. On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:45:50 +0200, Arne Martin

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>> > That is the case. In '67 they had to put the numbers on the board >> and hold >> > them up when the driver came around the next time. You get used to >> it. >> > I am having a little difficulty though, with some of the new lap >> board >> > placements in GPL 1.1. It seems as though some of them are in the >> toughest >> > places to look :/ >> The only one that changed in 1.1 was at the Nurburgring, which was >> moved to the straight that is parallel to the front straight. This >> gives your pit board guy time to stuff all the letters/numbers on the >> board for the current lap. >> Randy >I was in some of Alison's races last night (and so were you in fact :-), >anyway in many of the races my pitboard guy would find the strangest >places to line himself up, i think he were playing practical jokes on >me! :-) >First race (monza) was ok. >Second race at Mosport he decided to position himself just out of the >last turn instead of at the end of the s/f straight. No big deal as I >still got to read my pitboard on the s/f straight. >Third race however (silverstone) he started really having fun with me! >This time he figured an appropriate place to show the pitboard was in >the middle of Abbey! As you might image it was quite hard to both figure >out what he was trying to tell me and make the corner! At least I could >blame him when I caused a huge pileup there on lap 1 :-) (of course he >didn't show the board on lap 1, but he was there so I blame him :-) >Fourth race (Spa) and he went totally mental when he picked the second >most ridiculous place on the track to position himself (on the entry to >Malmedy). Needless to say I never both made the corner and figured out >what the board said! >Figuring I had had enough of the guy and it was about time to fire him I >exited gpl and re-entered in hope of getting a more sensible >pitboardguy, and for the next race at Zandvoort he was back to where he >should be (although this time I was discoed). >Now thinking this had been a one time problem, a little later in the >evening I tried to join a Monza race (again at Alison's). But now my >very funny board guy was back this time positioning himself in the >middle of Ascari! And I wo had thought I had fired the guy! >Ok so obviously there's some problem here... Did experience this problem >once some months ago in 1.0 (board at Ascari at Monza that time), but it >was only for that one race and never happened again until tonight when >it happened 4 times! >BTW I'm still using the original track.ini for all the tracks in >question. >-- >Arne Martin

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In GPL 1.0 there was the following problem: sometimes the green button failed to appear, and I had to disconnect from the server. If I immediately reconnected without quitting GPL entirely, the car setup would always show Zandvoort (but still contain the correct values, only with nr of laps calculated for Zandvoort), AND the pitboard would be misplaced. I'am quite sure that it was placed at the same spot as Zandvoort (same distance from start/finish). In Rouen that was about Beauval/Gresil (back end of the track). The 1.1. readme states that the green button problem has been fixed now. Maybe the setup/pitboard effect is still there in some form. Bart Westra

Wow!! You REALLY were taken back in time, Randy!! :o) Or is that a hint that a 1950s "pack" is coming for GPL???

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> I saw the Ascari pitboard once at Monza in GPL 1.0. > On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:45:50 +0200, Arne Martin > >> > That is the case. In '67 they had to put the numbers on the board > >> and hold > >> > them up when the driver came around the next time. You get used to > >> it. > >> > I am having a little difficulty though, with some of the new lap > >> board > >> > placements in GPL 1.1. It seems as though some of them are in the > >> toughest > >> > places to look :/ > >> The only one that changed in 1.1 was at the Nurburgring, which was > >> moved to the straight that is parallel to the front straight. This > >> gives your pit board guy time to stuff all the letters/numbers on the > >> board for the current lap. > >> Randy > >I was in some of Alison's races last night (and so were you in fact :-), > >anyway in many of the races my pitboard guy would find the strangest > >places to line himself up, i think he were playing practical jokes on > >me! :-) > >First race (monza) was ok. > >Second race at Mosport he decided to position himself just out of the > >last turn instead of at the end of the s/f straight. No big deal as I > >still got to read my pitboard on the s/f straight. > >Third race however (silverstone) he started really having fun with me! > >This time he figured an appropriate place to show the pitboard was in > >the middle of Abbey! As you might image it was quite hard to both figure > >out what he was trying to tell me and make the corner! At least I could > >blame him when I caused a huge pileup there on lap 1 :-) (of course he > >didn't show the board on lap 1, but he was there so I blame him :-) > >Fourth race (Spa) and he went totally mental when he picked the second > >most ridiculous place on the track to position himself (on the entry to > >Malmedy). Needless to say I never both made the corner and figured out > >what the board said! > >Figuring I had had enough of the guy and it was about time to fire him I > >exited gpl and re-entered in hope of getting a more sensible > >pitboardguy, and for the next race at Zandvoort he was back to where he > >should be (although this time I was discoed). > >Now thinking this had been a one time problem, a little later in the > >evening I tried to join a Monza race (again at Alison's). But now my > >very funny board guy was back this time positioning himself in the > >middle of Ascari! And I wo had thought I had fired the guy! > >Ok so obviously there's some problem here... Did experience this problem > >once some months ago in 1.0 (board at Ascari at Monza that time), but it > >was only for that one race and never happened again until tonight when > >it happened 4 times! > >BTW I'm still using the original track.ini for all the tracks in > >question. > >-- > >Arne Martin > To email me remove the "u"s

Fantastic! :)) Keep goin' and cya! Markus

Once online my boardguy positioned himself at the entrance to Curva Grande...IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK!!!!!!! So I basically ran through him every lap...though the first time I saw him I mistook him for a stalled car, and, well... Considering the speeds you get at the end of the front straight at Monza I hardly had time to read the sign before (if you could really hit the people in GPL) he would become a large red spot on the pavement (carmageddon anyone?). -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "I read dead Russian authors volumes at a time I write everything down except what's on my mind 'Cause my greatest fear is the sucking sound And then I know I'll never get back out" -'Narcolepsy', Third Eye Blind

Your comedian pit board guy (and his sidekick the pit stall guy) have been fired for their shenanigans. You're likely to find them in a comedy club near you. In other words, it's a bug that started showing up with comforting regularity when people started running dedicated race servers. I believe I've found it and killed it. Randy

Thanks Randy! > In other words, it's a bug that started showing up with comforting > regularity when people started running dedicated race servers. I > believe I've found it and killed it. > Randy

I once had the pit board guy standing in the middle of the track, about 500 yards past the start, at Monza. I had to run him down 15 times during that race <g> SteveG

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> > I was in some of Alison's races last night (and so were you in fact > :-), > > anyway in many of the races my pitboard guy would find the strangest > > places to line himself up, i think he were playing practical jokes on > > me! :-) > ... > > Did experience this problem > > once some months ago in 1.0 (board at Ascari at Monza that time), but > it > > was only for that one race and never happened again > Your comedian pit board guy (and his sidekick the pit stall guy) have > been fired for their shenanigans. You're likely to find them in a > comedy club near you. > In other words, it's a bug that started showing up with comforting > regularity when people started running dedicated race servers. I > believe I've found it and killed it. > Randy