FF settings

I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the Logitech and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF setting,but turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? Joel Willstein

> I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the Logitech >and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF setting,but >turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? Because it simply is not needed. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >Joel Willstein

Uncheck the box on the settings page of the Profiler. don [|]-(_)-[|]

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>Kyrill, > How do I disable the centering force of a Logitech FF wheel? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I can't find the option. > Thanks, > Leo

Kyrill, How do I disable the centering force of a Logitech FF wheel? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I can't find the option. Thanks, Leo

>> I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the Logitech >>and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF setting,but >>turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? >Because it simply is not needed.> Isn't it disabled anyhow? AFAIK normally the "return to sender" <g> "return to center" option is only used if FF is disabled or not supported (SCGT beeing an exception). I only tried a few laps running without "return to center" and did not notice a difference, do you? CU Zolli

You can disable the centering spring by going to: Control panel -> Game controllers Select the Logitech Wingman, click on properties, then click on the settings button. Have fun! -pierre

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> Kyrill, > How do I disable the centering force of a Logitech FF wheel? > Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I can't find the option. > Thanks, > Leo

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>>> I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the >Logitech >>>and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF setting,but >>>turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? >>Because it simply is not needed.> >Isn't it disabled anyhow?

The Logitech FF 3.2 drivers have an option the center while FF effects are active. I think if you select this it works in all games. But default I believe there is now a centering force in non FF games. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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> x-no-archive: yes > > I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the Logitech > > and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF setting,but > > turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? > Some games with FF automatically disable this when they start. It isn't needed > in a game with FF. In my setup, if the game doesn't disable it, and I have it > set, then the centering actuall masks some of the game's FF. > R.

What game doesn't autodisable the MS FF return to center feature ? I have heard talks about such problems in SCGT, but when I turned off self- centering I found the car pretty weird to drive. Maybe i should try it again. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

GPL disables the self centering when you have FF enabled. As long as the wheel's drivers are behaving themselves, you shouldn't need to disable the return to center option on your wheel. Or were you asking "Why should the return to center be turned off (no matter who does it - me or the software)?" Because force commands sent to the device are additive. If game's physics engine computes what force should be applied through the wheel, and then the wheel itself adds some other force to the mix, you don't get the intended overall force. Randy

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:02:00 GMT, "Randy Cassidy"

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>> I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the >Logitech >> and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF >setting,but >> turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? >GPL disables the self centering when you have FF enabled. As long as >the wheel's drivers are behaving themselves, you shouldn't need to >disable the return to center option on your wheel. >Or were you asking "Why should the return to center be turned off (no >matter who does it - me or the software)?" Because force commands sent >to the device are additive. If game's physics engine computes what >force should be applied through the wheel, and then the wheel itself >adds some other force to the mix, you don't get the intended overall >force.

Randy, There are 2 FF forces that I can detect when I play GPL1.1. One is determined by "max_steering_torque", lower this figure and there will be more force to turn the wheel on it own. The 2nd force is damping force thats only felt when the wheel is turned at speed, the same effect as when an electric motor's "+" & "-" is connected together. Even when "max_steering_torque" is set to 1000 and the game FF is minimized, the 2nd damping force does not change. Is there anyway to reduce this damping as I swear my crappy desk is about to snap if not my arms or the MSFFWheel clamp! :) Thanks. -- P. Lee http://www.i-r-gadget.freeserve.co.uk UIN 862812 soz bout tha speeling.

K. Malmin) dribbled the following: Well, GPL1.1 dosent autodisable the self center on my friends computer, but it does on mine. We both have MSFF Wheel. The only diffrence I can think of is that my friend installed the MSWheel driver/profiler(well, I installed it for him) programme from origanl CD whereas I downloaded the latest version from the net. -- Gadget???. http://www.i-r-gadget.freeserve.co.uk UIN 862812 Please remove the "NOWT" from email if replying. soz bout tha speeling.

I have to turn mine off in the MSFF control panel for GPL, Viper Racing and other FF games turn it off when I enter the game, but not GPL. I'm using the latest software from the Microsoft website, any ideas ? -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://start.at/greenflag -- > > I've seen several posts in reference to settings for both the > Logitech > > and Microsoft FF wheels. In most cases they have maxed the FF > setting,but > > turned off the return to center. Why would you want to do this? > GPL disables the self centering when you have FF enabled. As long as > the wheel's drivers are behaving themselves, you shouldn't need to > disable the return to center option on your wheel. > Or were you asking "Why should the return to center be turned off (no > matter who does it - me or the software)?" Because force commands sent > to the device are additive. If game's physics engine computes what > force should be applied through the wheel, and then the wheel itself > adds some other force to the mix, you don't get the intended overall > force. > Randy

Seems to make sense, I use the Saitek Wheel which uses the same technique, but without profiler and it autodisables the self center force AFAIWitness. One Question: Do you have to use the profiler with the MS Wheel, or can you disable it? I mean one prog less in the background would help many games in terms of framerates... CU Zolli

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:05:50 +0100, "Ian Parker" YES! I have an answer.....but I dont have a solution. :( I dont have to turn self center off to play GPL1.1 with FF and I have a soundblaster live! value. Today, I swapped soundcard with my second machine(Aureal vortex2) as I cant hear foot steps in Half-Life fortress using the Live!. And guess what! My main machine now with Vortex sound card requires me to disable self center before I play GPL1.1 with FF, go figure! -- P. Lee http://www.i-r-gadget.freeserve.co.uk UIN 862812 soz bout tha speeling.

Hmm, I have aVortex A3D soundcard too and have to disable the centering, coincidence ?? Maybe not. I'll try my other soundcard at the weekend, see if that makes a difference. -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://start.at/greenflag -- > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:05:50 +0100, "Ian Parker" > >I have to turn mine off in the MSFF control panel for GPL, Viper Racing and > >other FF games turn it off when I enter the game, but not GPL. > >I'm using the latest software from the Microsoft website, any ideas ? > YES! I have an answer.....but I dont have a solution. :( > I dont have to turn self center off to play GPL1.1 with FF and I have > a soundblaster live! value. > Today, I swapped soundcard with my second machine(Aureal vortex2) as I > cant hear foot steps in Half-Life fortress using the Live!. > And guess what! My main machine now with Vortex sound card requires me > to disable self center before I play GPL1.1 with FF, go figure! > -- > P. Lee > http://www.i-r-gadget.freeserve.co.uk > UIN 862812 > soz bout tha speeling.