Late Model/Sprint Car Sim?

According to www.whra.com there is some info regarding a Late Model/Sprint Car racing game to be released by the makers of Powerslide in November 99. Does anyone know anything about this? This is the first I have heard of it.

robertscott wrote in a message > According to www.whra.com there is some info regarding a Late Model/Sprint Dude. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Here is a better link you may not have seen. Hopefully some of the road race people in this group will take a look at this.... I think this is going to be a huge game... [link lost in import] Dirt Track Racer. You start driving a piece of ***in a low division and you win cash to buy new cars and move up. The graphics look great... AND it has figure eight racing... What more could a normal human ask for... I can't wait.... BARTENDER... a can of Foster's for the Bruce's from Ratbag.... The Mocker.

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> robertscott wrote in a message > According to www.whra.com there is some > info regarding a Late Model/Sprint > > Car racing game to be released by the makers of Powerslide in November 99. > > Does anyone know anything about this? This is the first I have heard of > it. > Dude. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Here is a better link you > may not have seen. Hopefully some of the road race people in this group will > take a look at this.... I think this is going to be a huge game... > [link lost in import] > Dirt Track Racer. You start driving a piece of ***in a low division and > you win cash to buy new cars and move up. The graphics look great... AND it > has figure eight racing... What more could a normal human ask for... > I can't wait.... > BARTENDER... a can of Foster's for the Bruce's from Ratbag.... > The Mocker.

Pure simulation and Figure 8 tracks are not synonyms in my book... It's probably just a revised version of Powerslide. But I must admit, I'm still intrigued. Philster

Why is that? Hopefully they won't succumb to the dark side and make it yet another arcade racer. If this turns out to be a *** sim I will be in absolute heaven. Kyle

Since when is Figure 8 racing not a major motorsport? They happen at tons of short tracks across the country every weekend. Hell, Louisville Motor Speedway up here has Figure 8 races for three or four divisions each Friday night. I'd actually like to try out the Figure 8 scene without wasting thousands of dollars on a car that I'm most likely gonna thrash on the racetrack. Also, from my understanding, they're using a better game engine for this sim. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

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> >Pure simulation and Figure 8 tracks are not synonyms in my book... It's > >probably just a revised version of Powerslide. But I must admit, I'm > >still intrigued. > >Philster > Since when is Figure 8 racing not a major motorsport? They happen at tons of > short tracks across the country every weekend. Hell, Louisville Motor Speedway > up here has Figure 8 races for three or four divisions each Friday night. I'd > actually like to try out the Figure 8 scene without wasting thousands of > dollars on a car that I'm most likely gonna thrash on the racetrack. > Also, from my understanding, they're using a better game engine for this sim. > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited

I think you are confused (or maybe I am): the Figure 8 track they're talking about is one track which has a double loop, an intersection (with no overpass at the intersection). Louisville has a figure 8 section, but I don't think it's used for series like the Craftsman Trucks (except for pitting). That means that cars can hit each other. Maybe this is a demolition derby but it sure ain't a track from the DIRT series or World of Outlaws. And armor plating on cars? Please... Sounds like a another Demolition Derby game. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. Philster

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> I think you are confused (or maybe I am): the Figure 8 track they're > talking about is one track which has a double loop, an intersection > (with no overpass at the intersection). Louisville has a figure 8 > section, but I don't think it's used for series like the Craftsman > Trucks (except for pitting). That means that cars can hit each other. > Maybe this is a demolition derby but it sure ain't a track from the DIRT > series or World of Outlaws. And armor plating on cars? Please... Sounds > like a another Demolition Derby game. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. > Philster

I think the track was described as a standard figure eight track. I even think a picture is shown on one of the site's showing the "X". Figure eight racing is about as serious as a heart attack, and would be a hell of alot more fun with 12 (just a number that I pulled from my ass) other people online than racing out in the German woods in over-powered go-carts (against what 3 to 6?). As far as the armor plating thing is concerned... Well here where I am.. and in Florida where I'm not.. Many tracks that run figure eight races require boiler plate to be welded in-between the driver and passenger side roll bars. As well as above and below the driver's seat. Sounds like armor plating.... But it just may have been how the description came off to someone who had no clue in the world as to what the game was trying to present. The DIRT racing in the Northeast is mostly made up of cars that would be the heart and soul of the game. It sounds like the game starts with Street Stock cars, and you progress until you have enough clout or cash to move up.... Just like the real world. With the Late Models or the Sprints being the top rung of the ladder, with an engine based on the Powerslide engine, but tweaked for more realistic simulation.... Well.. Like I said... give the guys in the land down under credit... I'm buying Powerslide again to help support them.... But who cares.... Thank you for your time.... The Mocker... DEPORT TOM GREEN. STOP THE SPREAD OF STUPID CANADIAN HUMOR.

I'm all for that! ;) Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:40:02 -0400, Philster

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>> >Pure simulation and Figure 8 tracks are not synonyms in my book... It's >> >probably just a revised version of Powerslide. But I must admit, I'm >> >still intrigued. >> >Philster >> Since when is Figure 8 racing not a major motorsport? They happen at tons of >> short tracks across the country every weekend. Hell, Louisville Motor Speedway >> up here has Figure 8 races for three or four divisions each Friday night. I'd >> actually like to try out the Figure 8 scene without wasting thousands of >> dollars on a car that I'm most likely gonna thrash on the racetrack. >> Also, from my understanding, they're using a better game engine for this sim. >> Dan Belcher >> Team Racing Unlimited >I think you are confused (or maybe I am): the Figure 8 track they're >talking about is one track which has a double loop, an intersection >(with no overpass at the intersection). Louisville has a figure 8 >section, but I don't think it's used for series like the Craftsman >Trucks (except for pitting). That means that cars can hit each other. >Maybe this is a demolition derby but it sure ain't a track from the DIRT >series or World of Outlaws. And armor plating on cars? Please... Sounds >like a another Demolition Derby game. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. >Philster

Well I'm sure that Craftsman Trucks, DIRT and WOO don't use the figure eight portions of the tracks they race at even when they have one. However there are many tracks that have a figure eight configuration and do use it. I don't know if those series are the types you'd travel to a neighboring track to compete in or just run at your local track for a trophy & a kiss from a pretty gal. But they do exist and are raced on. Not too long ago someone posted a link either in here or on a mailing list, don't remember which, of Figure 8 School Bus Racing. I even remember seeing, I think on TNN, Figure eight train racing (3 cars chained together with one driver in front car and one brake man in last vehicle). Trust me. If you can do it in a car, It's being done. Steve-S

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> > I think you are confused (or maybe I am): the Figure 8 track they're > > talking about is one track which has a double loop, an intersection > > (with no overpass at the intersection). Louisville has a figure 8 > > section, but I don't think it's used for series like the Craftsman > > Trucks (except for pitting). That means that cars can hit each other. > > Maybe this is a demolition derby but it sure ain't a track from the DIRT > > series or World of Outlaws. And armor plating on cars? Please... Sounds > > like a another Demolition Derby game. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. > > Philster > I think the track was described as a standard figure eight track. I > even think a picture is shown on one of the site's showing the "X". Figure > eight racing is about as serious as a heart attack, and would be a hell of > alot more fun with 12 (just a number that I pulled from my ass) other people > online than racing out in the German woods in over-powered go-carts (against > what 3 to 6?). > As far as the armor plating thing is concerned... Well here where I > am.. and in Florida where I'm not.. Many tracks that run figure eight races > require boiler plate to be welded in-between the driver and passenger side > roll bars. As well as above and below the driver's seat. Sounds like armor > plating.... But it just may have been how the description came off to > someone who had no clue in the world as to what the game was trying to > present. > The DIRT racing in the Northeast is mostly made up of cars that would be the > heart and soul of the game. It sounds like the game starts with Street Stock > cars, and you progress until you have enough clout or cash to move up.... > Just like the real world. With the Late Models or the Sprints being the top > rung of the ladder, with an engine based on the Powerslide engine, but > tweaked for more realistic simulation.... Well.. Like I said... give the > guys in the land down under credit... I'm buying Powerslide again to help > support them.... > But who cares.... > Thank you for your time.... > The Mocker...

Thanks for the explanation. BTW, I really like your nickname! So you don't like Canadian humor, eh? How about Terrance and Philipp, eh? Philster

No I love Canadian humor.... And if Tom Green was funny he would be ok... But he really is just the worst.... And if Canada doesn't take Tom Green back.... Well we have to bomb Canada.... BLAME CANADA!!!! (everyone sing) BLAME CANADA!!!! Thank you... Let the Flames Begin. The Mocker

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> > > I think you are confused (or maybe I am): the Figure 8 track they're double loop, an intersection Louisville has a figure 8 series like the Craftsman that cars can hit each other. sure ain't a track from the DIRT plating on cars? Please... Sounds I'm wrong, please enlighten me. standard figure eight track. I site's showing the "X". Figure attack, and would be a hell of pulled from my ass) other people over-powered go-carts (against concerned... Well here where I tracks that run figure eight races the driver and passenger side driver's seat. Sounds like armor description came off to what the game was trying to made up of cars that would be the the game starts with Street Stock clout or cash to move up.... Models or the Sprints being the top the Powerslide engine, but Well.. Like I said... give the buying Powerslide again to help Terrance and Philipp, Youre right, its not part of any major dirt racing series and it wont be included in any major series in our game either. The figure 8 section of the game is not the heart of the game, our focus is on the simulation of oval dirt racing and it always will be, one day we found some reference to it on the internet and thought it sounded like a fun thing to put in, the idea of smashing into the back markers at a cross section instead of lapping them sounded great, and through multiplayer testing its hard not to burst out laughing when you see two cars in head of you pile into each other! (although I think in reality the two guys in the crash wouldnt be laughing much :)However as I said before, we arent making a demolision derby style game but there is racing like this in real life and we're putting it in just for fun. Theyre an amusing side track for people that may have an extra car to risk getting trashed at the intersection or for people who just want to have a single race on a figure 8 track. I hope you all like the full game when it comes out, please keep posting stuff like this, we do read it and take great consideration of what you say. Cya, Jay (Ratbag) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:40:02 -0400, Philster > >> >Pure simulation and Figure 8 tracks are not synonyms in my

book... It's > >> >probably just a revised version of Powerslide. But I must admit, I'm > >> >still intrigued. > >> >Philster > >> Since when is Figure 8 racing not a major motorsport? They happen at tons of > >> short tracks across the country every weekend. Hell, Louisville Motor Speedway > >> up here has Figure 8 races for three or four divisions each Friday night. I'd > >> actually like to try out the Figure 8 scene without wasting thousands of > >> dollars on a car that I'm most likely gonna thrash on the racetrack. > >> Also, from my understanding, they're using a better game engine for this sim.

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> >> Dan Belcher > >> Team Racing Unlimited > >I think you are confused (or maybe I am): the Figure 8 track they're > >talking about is one track which has a double loop, an intersection > >(with no overpass at the intersection). Louisville has a figure 8 > >section, but I don't think it's used for series like the Craftsman > >Trucks (except for pitting). That means that cars can hit each other. > >Maybe this is a demolition derby but it sure ain't a track from the

DIRT > >series or World of Outlaws. And armor plating on cars? Please... Sounds > >like a another Demolition Derby game. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

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> >Philster > Well I'm sure that Craftsman Trucks, DIRT and WOO don't use the > figure eight portions of the tracks they race at even when they have > one. However there are many tracks that have a figure eight > configuration and do use it. I don't know if those series are the > types you'd travel to a neighboring track to compete in or just run at > your local track for a trophy & a kiss from a pretty gal. But they do > exist and are raced on. Not too long ago someone posted a link either > in here or on a mailing list, don't remember which, of Figure 8 School > Bus Racing. I even remember seeing, I think on TNN, Figure eight > train racing (3 cars chained together with one driver in front car and > one brake man in last vehicle). Trust me. If you can do it in a car, > It's being done. > Steve-S

Youre right, its not part of any major dirt racing series and it wont be included in any major series in our game either. The figure 8 section of the game is not the heart of the game, our focus is on the simulation of oval dirt racing and it always will be, one day we found some reference to it on the internet and thought it sounded like a fun thing to put in, the idea of smashing into the back markers at a cross section instead of lapping them sounded great, and through multiplayer testing its hard not to burst out laughing when you see two cars in head of you pile into each other! (although I think in reality the two guys in the crash wouldnt be laughing much :)However as I said before, we arent making a demolision derby style game but there is racing like this in real life and we're putting it in just for fun. Theyre an amusing side track for people that may have an extra car to risk getting trashed at the intersection or for people who just want to have a single race on a figure 8 track. I hope you all like the full game when it comes out, please keep posting stuff like this, we do read it and take great consideration of what you say. Cya, Jay (Ratbag) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

> Figure-8 racing IS indeed a valid motorsport -- there are many tracks in the > United States that host weekly figure-8 events, with real prize money at > stake. ARCA even has a dedicated Figure-8 series, the ARCA Auto Value > Figure-8 Series, in fact. Here's their 1999 schedule: Crazy Americans ;) Philster

I'm so glad the buzz on Dirt Track Racing is still strong. I am engorged waiting for this game. Anyway. If this really was one of the guys from Ratbag I have two things to say. 1. Here is a link with pictures of Figure 8 cars crashing. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/1752/pops.html If you check the links page there are two awesome shots of crashes. One from Riverhead Raceway in New York, and one from Sunshine Speeedway in Flroida. They are both asphalt tracks, but the effect is the same. Ok. The second thing is. Make me a beta tester already. I mean please, dude. I'm dyin' here. Thank You, The Mocker

> I'm so glad the buzz on Dirt Track Racing is still strong. I am engorged > waiting for this game. > Anyway. > If this really was one of the guys from Ratbag I have two things to say. > 1. Here is a link with pictures of Figure 8 cars crashing. > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/1752/pops.html You mean they actually race on a figure-of-8 course which doesn't have a bridge??? How crazy do you have to be to take part in that?

My hometown has an 1/2 mile dirt oval with an figure 8 cross in the infield. EVERY friday night they would host a demo derby, and the fig 8 race. Big fun to watch. There seems to be three classes of technique... 1. Never lift off the gas when crossing the intersection, my personal favorite. 2. Try to time your crossing for a gap in traffic. Very exciting to watch. 3. Don't cross until it's safe, and actually stop if you have to (WEENIES) usually results in beeing rammed by drivers from #1 class (see above). The winners usually came from the #1 class, I guess cause they spent less time in the crossing? I have seen events that had 90% of cars piled up at the crossing. Big Fun to watch. Very crazy to do.

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> > I'm so glad the buzz on Dirt Track Racing is still strong. I am engorged > > waiting for this game. > > Anyway. > > If this really was one of the guys from Ratbag I have two things to say. > > 1. Here is a link with pictures of Figure 8 cars crashing. > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/1752/pops.html > You mean they actually race on a figure-of-8 course which doesn't have a > bridge??? > How crazy do you have to be to take part in that?

I remember watching Figure 8 racing in the 70's on ABC Wide World of Sports, I believe, and also at my local packed dirt track where it was called a "Demolition Derby". Both featured lots of wrecks and a sense of impending doom. l have a race on tape from ESPN they kept showing from Sept '95 of a Figure 8 race at Riverhead, New York. In this one there was some hits but it was paved with some pretty nice late model cars and the object was the same as a local points race on an oval- finish with your car in good shape and win the race. The winner was a guy who was favored, and in the prerace interview when asked what his technique was guess what; he used #1- just step on it. My favorite part was the start when the flag man waved the green from the intersection and then ran for his life! Had to throw in my 2 cents. Tim

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> My hometown has an 1/2 mile dirt oval with an figure 8 cross in the infield. > EVERY friday night they would host a demo derby, and the fig 8 race. Big > fun to watch. There seems to be three classes of technique... > 1. Never lift off the gas when crossing the intersection, my personal > favorite. > 2. Try to time your crossing for a gap in traffic. Very exciting to > watch. > 3. Don't cross until it's safe, and actually stop if you have to > (WEENIES) usually results in beeing rammed by drivers from #1 class > (see above). > The winners usually came from the #1 class, I guess cause they spent less > time in the crossing? I have seen events that had 90% of cars piled up at > the crossing. Big Fun to watch. Very crazy to do. > > > I'm so glad the buzz on Dirt Track Racing is still strong. I am engorged > > > waiting for this game. > > > Anyway. > > > If this really was one of the guys from Ratbag I have two things to say. > > > 1. Here is a link with pictures of Figure 8 cars crashing. > > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/1752/pops.html > > You mean they actually race on a figure-of-8 course which doesn't have a > > bridge??? > > How crazy do you have to be to take part in that?

Riverhead happens to me my home track. Figure 8 racing was invented here at Islip (now it's a cookie factory.) But the running start still happens, although the figure 8 races only happen about every other week around here now. Can you imagine, the new drivers don't want to race the class. The best Riverhead start I remember was about three years ago. The flagman started his run and the cars came bearing down towards him. The two front cars came together and hooked up, spinning sideways, and were immediately struck by the second row of cars. This sent them spinning towards the wall where the starter was trying to get out of the way.(There used to be a little cut out in the concrete wall for the starter to hide behind, and then he would jump up onto the top of the concrete wall, and walk to the left to get out of the way.) Well this time he barely made it into his little hideout, and turned. What he saw was three figure 8 cars headed right for his little spot, which was only protected with ARMCO metal wall. He had just enough time to dive to his left and clear the spot. The three cars hit the ARMCO and pushed it all the way in, almost sending a car into the stands. The starter kind of was stunned, not sure what just happened. Of course at this point I yelled out. "Dude. You almost died!" There was some laughter from the starter after this, but the hole was filled in the next week, and from then on he starts his run a little further down the track. Which is a good thing. Riverhead has a web site. Not a very good one. But check it out for some more figure 8 pictures. http://www.riverheadraceway.com The Mocker

Mocker, Thanks so much for the great story about Figure 8 racing at Riverhead. This is why they invented the damn Net! Thanks again, Tim

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> Riverhead happens to me my home track. Figure 8 racing was invented > here at Islip (now it's a cookie factory.) But the running start still > happens, although the figure 8 races only happen about every other week > around here now. Can you imagine, the new drivers don't want to race the > class. > The best Riverhead start I remember was about three years ago. The > flagman started his run and the cars came bearing down towards him. The two > front cars came together and hooked up, spinning sideways, and were > immediately struck by the second row of cars. This sent them spinning > towards the wall where the starter was trying to get out of the way.(There > used to be a little cut out in the concrete wall for the starter to hide > behind, and then he would jump up onto the top of the concrete wall, and > walk to the left to get out of the way.) Well this time he barely made it > into his little hideout, and turned. What he saw was three figure 8 cars > headed right for his little spot, which was only protected with ARMCO metal > wall. He had just enough time to dive to his left and clear the spot. The > three cars hit the ARMCO and pushed it all the way in, almost sending a car > into the stands. The starter kind of was stunned, not sure what just > happened. Of course at this point I yelled out. "Dude. You almost died!" > There was some laughter from the starter after this, but the hole was filled > in the next week, and from then on he starts his run a little further down > the track. Which is a good thing. > Riverhead has a web site. Not a very good one. But check it out for some > more figure 8 pictures. > http://www.riverheadraceway.com > The Mocker > > l have a race on tape from ESPN they kept showing from Sept '95 of a > Figure > > 8 race at Riverhead, New York. In this one there was some hits but it was > > paved with some pretty nice late model cars and the object was the same as > > a local points race on an oval- finish with your car in good shape and win > > the race. > > The winner was a guy who was favored, and in the prerace interview when > > asked what his technique was guess what; he used #1- just step on it. > > My favorite part was the start when the flag man waved the green from the > > intersection and then ran for his life! > > Had to throw in my 2 cents.

Powerslide!! A translation on this word engorged: ENGORGED: Flying backwards out of control with virtually no hope regaining control. But it was really fun. Seriously, you guys have to try this game. The Mocker