SCGT - Why is Native 3dfx slower than D3D

>System PIII450, 128Mb, V3K. I have a P2-450, 128MB, TNT (16MB) and V2 (12MB) D3D is terrible on my system and Glide rocks so I don't have the same perspective on this as you do. Not if it is done improperly. It was done properly. I have always used Glide with max details and max cars with outstanding performance. What wheel are you using? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

When scgt was written, the glide was written for support for V2 and V1. V3 hadnt come out yet, which is the reason why it's slower. I have no idea if they will come out with a patch for it or not. Adam Zerlin GT Insider WebMaster www.gtinsider.com

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>>System PIII450, 128Mb, V3K. >I have a P2-450, 128MB, TNT (16MB) and V2 (12MB) >D3D is terrible on my system and Glide rocks so I don't >have the same perspective on this as you do. >>What gives? Surely writing 'to the metal' - Glide - should give >performance >>gains over having to use an interpretation layer - D3D. >Not if it is done improperly. >>I'm confused. This is the opposite of what is supposed to happen. F1RS >was >>noticably better using Glide than D3D. >It was done properly. >>Is this a result of the patch? I bought and patched immediately so never >>played version 1. >I have always used Glide with max details and max cars with >outstanding performance. What wheel are you using? >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

System PIII450, 128Mb, V3K. What gives? Surely writing 'to the metal' - Glide - should give performance gains over having to use an interpretation layer - D3D. I'm confused. This is the opposite of what is supposed to happen. F1RS was noticably better using Glide than D3D. Is this a result of the patch? I bought and patched immediately so never played version 1. Mark Reading, UK

On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:49:31 +0100, "Mark Davison" Celeron 300A clocked to 450, 128MB, 32MB Asus TNT2 (not Ultra), and 12MB Voodoo2 Runs perfectly fine under Glide, in fact slightly better than the TNT2. -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors Super Touring - Club Cars - Alfa Romeo http://fullspeed.to/astc Australian Super Touring News and Information

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> Celeron 300A clocked to 450, 128MB, 32MB Asus TNT2 (not Ultra), and > 12MB Voodoo2 > Runs perfectly fine under Glide, in fact slightly better than the > TNT2. > On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:49:31 +0100, "Mark Davison" > >System PIII450, 128Mb, V3K.

That's really odd. Folks around here generally recommend the TNT2 as the card to go for right now - unless you -really- want glide (I did. and couldn't afford TNT2+V2), which that implies that the TNT2 should be the faster all rounder (OpenGL/D3D in other words) So there's a couple of possibilities here: If we assume that a V3 is will run SCGT better than a V2 then the TNT2 is slower in D3D than a V3 - for this title at least. If we assume that the TNT2 is better than the V3 for D3D (and it should be given the hype), that means that a V2 can outperform a V3 for this particular Glide app. My brain hurts. Mark Reading, UK Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

>If we assume that a V3 is will run SCGT better than a V2 >then the TNT2 is slower in D3D than a V3 - for this title at least. If we >assume that the TNT2 is better than the V3 for D3D (and it should be given >the hype), that means that a V2 can outperform a V3 for this particular Glide >app. >My brain hurts. ------------------------------------------------------ Yowch. You're giving me a headache! Couple of data points here: 1. The V3 DOES run SCGT better in Glide than the V2 2. The V3 DOES run SCGT better in D3D than Glide Can't say about the TNT2. As an aside, I tried to reinstall MGPRS2(4th go-round for this p.o.s.) to try the D3D version to see if it showed similar differences, but with the V3, I couldn't get the installer to install the D3D version; it just flat refused. Anyone managed to work around this? I still get annoying frame stutters in MGPRS2 with the 450/V3 combo, even in training mode with replay turned off, which seems ridiculous! Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

Can't give a good answer to that one, as the D3D version defaulted to my old Stealth 3D-4MB primary card, which isn't a real comparison. The e-mapping seems ok with the V3 in either mode, though I'm relying on memory about Glide mode. It WAS funky with the V2, though. Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

I've had the same problem... When running with 3dfx/glide the cars have a shinny/psychadlic paint effect, but with the Riva it's ok.... And actually I seem to get slightly better framerates with my STB velocity 4400 (TNT 1) card, than my Creative Labs Voodoo II 12meg card... But... I've only got a PII 266 w/64 meg of RAM, so the additional RAM of the TNT might be making the difference, also the fact that it's an AGP card, rather than PCI too?

OOPS. Just went back and had another look. The E-Mapping's still crazy-looking in Glide. The tire smoke is lousy as well; pure garbage compared to how it looks in D3D. So: running SCGT in D3D is definitely better in every respect on a V3; framerate, appearance, affects. No contest. I can see why everyone seems to be going to D3D. Cheers, Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

I haven't noticed any frame rate difference between Glide and D3D with my V3 P2-450 setup, but I too have the kaleidoscope look with the Emapping under glide. But, the graphics are slightly better overall under glide so that's what I run with. -Tim

>>If we assume that a V3 is will run SCGT better than a V2 >>then the TNT2 is slower in D3D than a V3 - for this title at least. If we >>assume that the TNT2 is better than the V3 for D3D (and it should be given >>the hype), that means that a V2 can outperform a V3 for this particular Glide

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>>app. >>My brain hurts. >------------------------------------------------------ >Yowch. You're giving me a headache! >Couple of data points here: >1. The V3 DOES run SCGT better in Glide than the V2 >2. The V3 DOES run SCGT better in D3D than Glide

Can you remember if the same applied to V2 - did it run SCGT better in D3D than Glide, too? If not it points to some sort of v3+glide prob, and if that was sorted... well v3 SCGT would be just fabulous. Also, when I apply e-mapping in 3dfx mode the cars go psychadelic, in D3D it does what I suspect it should - give that shiny effect that seems so popular. Doesn't do too good a job with it, tho, as it highlights individual polys that make up the cars. Cheers Mark Reading, UK

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>That's really odd. Folks around here generally recommend the TNT2 as the >card to go for right now - unless you -really- want glide (I did. and >couldn't afford TNT2+V2), which that implies that the TNT2 should be the >faster all rounder (OpenGL/D3D in other words) So there's a couple of >possibilities here: If we assume that a V3 is will run SCGT better than a V2 >then the TNT2 is slower in D3D than a V3 - for this title at least. If we >assume that the TNT2 is better than the V3 for D3D (and it should be given >the hype), that means that a V2 can outperform a V3 for this particular Glide >app.

I really want Glide, I don't wanna muck around with Beta patches and reduced mirrors for my GPL (not that I'm that serious about my GPL, but why compromise when I can have it all on Glide?). I would assume that the D3D simply isnt coded quite as well as the Glide, or that the Glide one has some advantages in SCGT. I can't notice any colour difference between the TNT I used to have, the TNT2 now, or the V2......not in SCGT anyway. All I get now is the ultra high res with TNT2, not that my monitor can support it. Anyway, it's been shown that V3 can outrun a TNT2 in many games, as it's the speed king, but the TNT2 is the image king and nearly the speed king. -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors Super Touring - Club Cars - Alfa Romeo http://fullspeed.to/astc Australian Super Touring News and Information

Reinstall the INDEO drivers from the CD prior to attempting an installation. Mea***er still

All there is to do is wait for the next V3 drivers. They mentioned a performance increase of up to 15%. Mea***er

I thought Indeo driver were for video decompression, not graphics. Did I miss something. Cheers Jeff

Yeah, right, but for some reason it will not let you install (or start) the game once another installation has fiddled with the indeo files. This happens most often after you install another game that uses indeo as well. Just do as I told you, it will work. Mea***er www.mea***er.de