ABC Sports Slam-Dunks Us Again

I just got done over at the ABC Sports web site informing them of my opinion (distinctly negative) about their aborting coverage of the CART race at Road America to keep their posted broadcast schedule intact. This with less than 25 minutes to go in the race !! If you also feel strongly about this, please go to abcsports.com and fill out their "Ask ABC Sports" page entry fields. This isn't the first time these guys did this to us, and no doubt won't be the last. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

I would... but I saw it on Eurosport and saw it all! :-) Rob Swindells 4th in Goldline Bearing FFord Championship (12 Points); 8 points behined Championship Leader (as of round 3 of 6)

ABC and It's daughter companies ESPN and ESPN 2 will have the IRL series in addition to CART next year, so we'll get a double dose of open wheel racing taking the back seat to golf, tennis, and other sports... I agree with Terry, it only takes a second to write them a *** response on their website, and if they get enough of a response perhaps they'll at least give us a picture in picture shot of the ending of a race, if not the race in it's entirety!

Here in Canada, TSN continued with the ABC feed, albeit without commentary except when they cut back live on ABC. 1/2 marks to TSN Tony

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> I just got done over at the ABC Sports web site informing them of my > opinion (distinctly negative) about their aborting coverage of the CART > race at Road America to keep their posted broadcast schedule intact. > This with less than 25 minutes to go in the race !! If you also feel > strongly about this, please go to abcsports.com and fill out their "Ask > ABC Sports" page entry fields. This isn't the first time these guys > did this to us, and no doubt won't be the last. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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> I just got done over at the ABC Sports web site informing them of my > opinion (distinctly negative) about their aborting coverage of the CART > race at Road America to keep their posted broadcast schedule intact. > This with less than 25 minutes to go in the race !! If you also feel > strongly about this, please go to abcsports.com and fill out their "Ask > ABC Sports" page entry fields. This isn't the first time these guys > did this to us, and no doubt won't be the last. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

TSN did the same thing to us here in Canada... good thing we also have the french version of that channel (RDS): they gave us the full broadcast! That's really nice. Philster

Hey, this is from the people who gave us the delightful "ABC Sports Indy Racing -- the Road to Indy" sim a few years back. Now you want good television coverage of motorsports, too? <G> ;-) Seriously, though, this was outrageous. They'd NEVER do that with a NASCAR race, which really ticks me off -- JB

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>I just got done over at the ABC Sports web site informing them of my >opinion (distinctly negative) about their aborting coverage of the CART >race at Road America to keep their posted broadcast schedule intact. >This with less than 25 minutes to go in the race !! If you also feel >strongly about this, please go to abcsports.com and fill out their "Ask >ABC Sports" page entry fields. This isn't the first time these guys >did this to us, and no doubt won't be the last. >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

LOL! What a concept -- equal opportunity preempted racing. I wonder if they'll make any effort to differentiate between which series it is they're cutting away from??

> I would... but I saw it on Eurosport and saw it all! :-) ...and we both know, Eurosport NEVER***up any coverage of CART or Nascar...NOT! ;^) l8er ronny -- Ronald Stoehr Alcatel Telecom voice +49 711 821 46949 Lorenzstrasse 10 fax +49 711 821 42303 D-70435 Stuttgart

>>ABC and It's daughter companies ESPN and ESPN 2 will have the IRL series in >>addition to CART next year, so we'll get a double dose of open wheel racing >>taking the back seat to golf, tennis, and other sports... But aren't all of the ABC companies holdings of the all-powerful Mouse? -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

Yup. > But aren't all of the ABC companies holdings of the all-powerful Mouse? > -- > | "Instead of letting the moon be the > Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let > Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

I found Paul Page's comment interesting. Words to the effect of, "You cannot run over 20 minutes into the next broadcast so we have to go now." Rather two-faced of ABC since they ran over 20-25 minutes into the Cleveland race coverage and missed the start of the race. With GOLF no less! ABC acts like CART is a second class "we'll- cover-it-if-we-have-the-spare-time" series, and that kind of attitude will keep CART television viewership in the toilet forever. Stupid programming twits. -Chris- ---Two wheels are better ---Proud owner of a 1998 ZX-9R Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Does the monster mouse have any holdings in IRL? The Disney IRL race will probably not be chopped off no matter what is scheduled to follow. All things considered, especially the money aspects, Tony George will probably fare better than whoever is running CART by then. However, the big money will still be golf. Got to remember ratings value, and in the US open-wheel racing is not being effectively marketed (apparently). > Yup. > > But aren't all of the ABC companies holdings of the all-powerful Mouse? > > -- > > | "Instead of letting the moon be the > > Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let > > Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Just a little more fuel for the fire, the rebroadcast on ESPN was Monday at 3AM, not 3PM like cart.com and rec.autos.sport.info said. Guess they need to keep the afternoon slots open for more X "sports".

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>I just got done over at the ABC Sports web site informing them of my >opinion (distinctly negative) about their aborting coverage of the CART >race at Road America to keep their posted broadcast schedule intact. >This with less than 25 minutes to go in the race !! If you also feel >strongly about this, please go to abcsports.com and fill out their "Ask >ABC Sports" page entry fields. This isn't the first time these guys >did this to us, and no doubt won't be the last. >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

-- David Reimertz

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> Are you out east? > TSN played it all in full for us here on the west coast. > >TSN did the same thing to us here in Canada... good thing we also have > >the french version of that channel (RDS): they gave us the full > >broadcast! That's really nice. > >Philster

Yup, in the east... I was taping the race on TSN but the last few minutes were golf... I watched the rest of it on RDS. Philster

>I just got done over at the ABC Sports web site informing them of my >opinion (distinctly negative) about their aborting coverage of the CART >race at Road America to keep their posted broadcast schedule intact. >This with less than 25 minutes to go in the race !! If you also feel Well I am sort of pissed about this. I live about 3 hours from Road America and was at the race yesterday. I also had my VCR recording the tape. Then I find out that this happened?! I am pissed as I wanted to watch the race form another perspective. I know you are all interested in how it was in person so I'll tell ya :-) When we got there the CART cars were doing their morning warmup. It was awesome! You can really hear the gears kicking when they shift. Also these cars sound much cooler and ballsier than the Nascar cars ( I was at the brickyard 400 last August). It was almost like twice or three times louder than the Nascar WC cars. And they did not sound like s whiny little engine. It was like StarWars pod racing or something. MUCH power! Getting into the track and parked was no problem at all. We sat on the main straight bleachers. I was on the top row where you can stand and watch everything. Plus this is right across from the pits. Off to the right is the start/finish line and the winners circle. So while everyone was raving about the carrosole and Hurry Downs I still felt like these seats were the best. When the race started it was an amazing thunderous roar as all of the cars passed the start finish. From where we were on the stands you could see turn 1 so you know what we saw :-) When the race started again I went right next to the fence (which seemed like 30 feet away from the main straight). As the full field went past I could feel the turbulence swirling over me. Pretty cool stuff. One thing that is lacking is the on track announcing. At indy there are mega phones on every other fence post. Not at road america so I really did not realize what was happening in the rear of the field. For example Little Al crapped out early in the race and ended up in 9th! I couldn't believe it. Anyway as everyone knows Montoya was blowing everyone away. As he would pass we would always hear this weird sound almost like he was downshifting. It may have been what knocked him out of the race. I was kind of rooting for michael if was bummed that he just couldn't do anything with montoya. Then with 10 laps to go I turned my hat inside out. In america the baseball players do that and call it a "rally hat" to boost their team on. Within 2 laps montoya broke and Newman Haas won. The Winners circle was quite interesting. You just don't see this stuff with the TV coverage. There are driver interviews and champagn just like F1. Plus a real podium. Anyway at the least I think Christen F owes me a beer, as my rally hat won the race for him :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

A few other things about the race. I could see the drivers get introduced from where I was on the main straight. Boy are those guys short! Except for Little Al, Michael and Jimmy Vasser. Oh yeah and don't forget Paul Tracy, he looked like he was porkin. You just don't think they are that short from the TV coverage. All of the teams seemed to either have kick-ass catered food or they grilled it right there. I could have taken a great shot of all the Target team sitting in their work area, all in a row eating corn on the cob. The contrast of the yellow corn with their orange Target suits would have made the picture :-) Did I mention the Winner Circle sucks??? Well it does. It is this little fenced in area that only the press really had access to. I had a somewhat good view from the bleachers I was sitting at, but I think they could have done much better. Paul Neuman was kind of an embarrassment if you ask me. The winners circle interviewer asked him something like, "Well Paul what does it feel like to have your team finish 1/2?". Paul Neuman replied with something like, "Duh... Um... Well we were out there one and two, and we just had to finish". Well WTF is with that? I was shocked and had no idea what his problem was. He seemed either stricken with stage fright or drunk, or both :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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>When we got there the CART cars were doing their morning >warmup. It was awesome! You can really hear the gears >kicking when they shift. Also these cars sound much cooler >and ballsier than the Nascar cars ( I was at the brickyard 400 >last August). It was almost like twice or three times louder than >the Nascar WC cars. And they did not sound like s whiny little >engine. It was like StarWars pod racing or something. MUCH >power!

I take it you've never been to an F1 race then, eh Greg? Save up you money and go to Montreal just once. Worth it for the sound alone. For my money though, the most impressive engines on the face of the Earth are ones found in Top Fuel and Funny Cars. -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

Haven't been a a CART race yet, but eg. at Le Mans where CART-like 3.6 litre turbo engines (Toyota, Audi) and NASCAR-like 6 litre normally aspirated V8 (Panoz, Mercedes) where used. The Toyota were unimpressive (but effective), while the Audis at least "banged" at every gear shift. The turbines in the intakes and exhausts deafen the turbo engine more or less. Pretty lame compared to the strong voice of the Silver Arrow or the even stronger aggressive thunder of the Panoz. The good thing with F1 sound is that you don't need a ticket to hear it. ;-) True. ;-) Just watching the face of somebody who attends a TF start for the first time is great: After the burnout, they say "Wow, this is loud!", but they've ain't seen nothing yet ... On the other hand, the thunder & lightning strike of a dragster is gone quickly, while those F1 hornets cars keep buzzing on and on for 90 minutes or so. -- Matthias Flatt

Thanks, Greg, for your race descriptions. I haven't been to a live open-wheel road course race in many years, and really miss the sights and sounds. TV just does not deliver, and going to nearby Bristol Motor Speedway is just not as fulfilling (still fun, though). Back in the late 60's we used to go to Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Road America, etc., and still remember well the ...sensation... of having a whole field of unlimited Can-Am monsters going past 20 feet away (not to mention having a field of 25-30 Cooper Mini's , F-Vee's, or Sprites bouncing and bumping past in the prelim's). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

> I take it you've never been to an F1 race then, eh Greg? Save up you >money and go to Montreal just once. Worth it for the sound alone. For my >money though, the most impressive engines on the face of the Earth are >ones found in Top Fuel and Funny Cars. I am on the list for tickets to the US GP at Indy in Sept 2000. But if I can't get them I'll probably check out montreal. I was wondering how the F1 cars would sound :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

>The good thing with F1 sound is that you don't need a ticket to hear >it. ;-) You could hear the CART engines just fine from about a mile away from the track. I was sitting at a stop sign I could hear the morning warmup. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Great sound. Here is one of my favorites. 4 minutes of Ferrari V12 music... http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/files/f1ferr94.zip

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> Since all of us here love the sound of F1 cars, I've put up a little > gift. It's an mp3 I made from the "Exhaust Notes: the sounds of Forumla > 1" CD. If you don't already own this disc, I highly recommend it. I got > mine from Speedgear (http://www.speedgear.com). Not cheap at US $25 but > WELL worth it. Let me know what you think if you snag the file. > http://www.enteract.com/~bmette/F1-06.mp3 (867 Kb) > -- > | "Instead of letting the moon be the > Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let > Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

Terry, I'm with you. Haven't been to a live race lately, but used to go to Watkins Glen in the 70's. There's simply nothing like the sound of a F1 12 cyl Ferrari screaming through the gears. Like the earlier post, we could hear the cars as we drove up to the track, only then it was Andretti (Mario), Stewart, ect.

CART is not comparable to F1. To believe it, you have to hear an F1 car (or 20 of them in a row on the first lap :)). The sound of the F1 cars through the hairpin at Montreal is unbelievable -- earplugs a must. THM > >The good thing with F1 sound is that you don't need a ticket to hear > >it. ;-) > You could hear the CART engines just fine from about a mile > away from the track. I was sitting at a stop sign I could hear the > morning warmup.

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>> I take it you've never been to an F1 race then, eh Greg? Save up you >>money and go to Montreal just once. Worth it for the sound alone. For my >>money though, the most impressive engines on the face of the Earth are >>ones found in Top Fuel and Funny Cars. >I am on the list for tickets to the US GP at Indy in Sept 2000. But >if I can't get them I'll probably check out montreal. I was wondering >how the F1 cars would sound :-)

Went to last years Mtl F1 race. Couldn't stop grinning from ear to ear when first hearing the shriek of the engines at full bore. What a sound! BTW, of the F1 sims, I'd say OF1RS is the closest in capturing the sound. Maybe I need to get a sport bike again (or an S2000??).

>CART is not comparable to F1. To believe it, you have to hear an F1 car (or >20 of them in a row on the first lap :)). The sound of the F1 cars through >the hairpin at Montreal is unbelievable -- earplugs a must. Gotta agree here. When I was on my way to Montreal for my first F1 race, I mentioned to a guy I was speaking with in the airport that I was really looking forward to hearing F1 cars in person. He then asked if I had ever been to an F1 race. When I responded "No, but I've been to a couple of CART races." he made what I thought was a really arrogant statement. "F1 cars make CART sound like sewing machines." Turns out, he was absolutely correct! -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

Since all of us here love the sound of F1 cars, I've put up a little gift. It's an mp3 I made from the "Exhaust Notes: the sounds of Forumla 1" CD. If you don't already own this disc, I highly recommend it. I got mine from Speedgear (http://www.speedgear.com). Not cheap at US $25 but WELL worth it. Let me know what you think if you snag the file. http://www.enteract.com/~bmette/F1-06.mp3 (867 Kb) -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:35:39 -0700, "Norman McBride" >Great sound. >Here is one of my favorites. 4 minutes of Ferrari V12 music... >http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/files/f1ferr94.zip Hi ! Have a look (ear) at: http://www.boers.com/Home.htm http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10/f1/sounds.html http://www.aparima.com/F1/Sound/ Enough stuff for a motorsound CD ! :-))))) Greetings Klaus

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>> Since all of us here love the sound of F1 cars, I've put up a little >> gift. It's an mp3 I made from the "Exhaust Notes: the sounds of Forumla >> 1" CD. If you don't already own this disc, I highly recommend it. I got >> mine from Speedgear (http://www.speedgear.com). Not cheap at US $25 but >> WELL worth it. Let me know what you think if you snag the file. >> http://www.enteract.com/~bmette/F1-06.mp3 (867 Kb) >> -- >> | "Instead of letting the moon be the >> Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let >> Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

>BTW, of the F1 sims, I'd say OF1RS is the closest in capturing the sound. But is the game any good (better than F1RS?MGPRS2? I thought the driving model (turning about the center of the chassis instead of with the front tires) sucked. I saw the game for only $29 and would like to get it, but I don't want to waste my time on CRAP. Which is how I felt the demo worked... Do you have a FF wheel yet? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

I visited quite a few GP's when I was very young, but the first time I heard a modern F1 engine at full song was at Silverstone last year. For Saturday practice we stood at Copse, right next to the track on the outside, opposite the apex. It was something I'll never forget :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

I was in the Stand, right behind you.... :O)) we just walked up there, no security on the gate at the time, and nobody came to move us when the qualifying started........ Eeeh! if only we'd known about GPL then, we coulda chatted....... Cya in Spyboy ....... Davey_Willo

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> >Couldn't stop grinning from ear to ear when > >first hearing the shriek of the engines at full bore. What a sound! > I visited quite a few GP's when I was very young, but the first time I > heard a modern F1 engine at full song was at Silverstone last year. For > Saturday practice we stood at Copse, right next to the track on the > outside, opposite the apex. It was something I'll never forget :-) > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > ICQ# 11257824

Good as it is at a modern GP circuit, you aint lived till you have stood 3 feet away from a F1 car at Goodwood when one starts breathing into life in the paddock :-) Indelible ink forever Mark

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> >Couldn't stop grinning from ear to ear when > >first hearing the shriek of the engines at full bore. What a sound! > I visited quite a few GP's when I was very young, but the first time I > heard a modern F1 engine at full song was at Silverstone last year. For > Saturday practice we stood at Copse, right next to the track on the > outside, opposite the apex. It was something I'll never forget :-) > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > ICQ# 11257824

All this makes me wonder a bit - a few years ago with N1 and early on with N2 I had a 200 watt amp and 15" bass reflex 3-way spkrs attached to my PC, and outside the house it sounded a lot like a Nascar race. If the audio samples in GPL are anywhere near as good as the real thing, with a modern audio system (more than SBLive with a 20 watt amp and bookshelf speakers) we ought to be able to recreate '67 F1 sounds to some extent. Of course, not too many of the samples available for GPL are actual '67 vintage. I wonder if Bruce Kennewell has any that could be plugged into GPL, perhaps with some editing. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.