OT: Buying a Radeon 9800XT today. Need nVidia Driver 'Scrubber'

Well, I never thought I'd pay close to $500 for a video card, but I'm buying myself a nice christmas present this year. I've looked them all over, and I decided the ATI Radeon 9800 XT is what I will get. There are three basic reasons: 1. I want a 256MB card. I think it's time. 2. nVidia's current offerings do NOT impress me one bit. 3. I considered the 9800 Pro, which in it's 128MB configuration is much cheaper at $299 or so, but I want 256MB of RAM this time and the 256MB versions of the 9800 pro are over $400. Might as well just go for the XT ! So, I need a utility that will COMPLETELY scrub the nVidia drivers from my system. I know there was once one that ran only under Win9x, but what about Windows XP ? Thanks :) -Larry

http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/ Don "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Op5Ab.43189$yM6.18766@lakeread06... > Well, I never thought I'd pay close to $500 for a video card, but I'mbuying

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> myself a nice christmas present this year. > > I've looked them all over, and I decided the ATI Radeon 9800 XT is what I > will get. > > There are three basic reasons: > > 1. I want a 256MB card. I think it's time. > 2. nVidia's current offerings do NOT impress me one bit. > 3. I considered the 9800 Pro, which in it's 128MB configuration is much > cheaper at $299 or so, but I want 256MB of RAM this time and the 256MB > versions of the 9800 pro are over $400. Might as well just go for the XT

! > > So, I need a utility that will COMPLETELY scrub the nVidia drivers from my > system. I know there was once one that ran only under Win9x, but whatabout

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> Windows XP ? > > Thanks :) > > -Larry > >

"Don Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bqqq7q$24ecoh$1@ID- 183033.news.uni-berlin.de: > http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/ Great little utility there...I 'thought' I'd done a pretty complete cleaning out of nvidia driver files...but this jobbie found a few more... dave henrie

Maybe Don Wilshe could sent you a pint of one of his magical cleaners

Have a look here at driver heaven ... http://www.driverheaven.net I used the driver cleaner listed on the panel at the left .. good luck! jv "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Op5Ab.43189$yM6.18766@lakeread06... > Well, I never thought I'd pay close to $500 for a video card, but I'mbuying

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> myself a nice christmas present this year. > > I've looked them all over, and I decided the ATI Radeon 9800 XT is what I > will get. > > There are three basic reasons: > > 1. I want a 256MB card. I think it's time. > 2. nVidia's current offerings do NOT impress me one bit. > 3. I considered the 9800 Pro, which in it's 128MB configuration is much > cheaper at $299 or so, but I want 256MB of RAM this time and the 256MB > versions of the 9800 pro are over $400. Might as well just go for the XT

! > > So, I need a utility that will COMPLETELY scrub the nVidia drivers from my > system. I know there was once one that ran only under Win9x, but whatabout

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> Windows XP ? > > Thanks :) > > -Larry > >

I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be installed. I sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! -Larry "Don Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bqqq7q$24ecoh$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/ > > Don > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Op5Ab.43189$yM6.18766@lakeread06... > > Well, I never thought I'd pay close to $500 for a video card, but I'm > buying > > myself a nice christmas present this year. > > > > I've looked them all over, and I decided the ATI Radeon 9800 XT is what

I

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> > will get. > > > > There are three basic reasons: > > > > 1. I want a 256MB card. I think it's time. > > 2. nVidia's current offerings do NOT impress me one bit. > > 3. I considered the 9800 Pro, which in it's 128MB configuration is much > > cheaper at $299 or so, but I want 256MB of RAM this time and the 256MB > > versions of the 9800 pro are over $400. Might as well just go for the

XT > ! > > > > So, I need a utility that will COMPLETELY scrub the nVidia drivers frommy

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> > system. I know there was once one that ran only under Win9x, but what > about > > Windows XP ? > > > > Thanks :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Op5Ab.43189$yM6.18766@lakeread06... > Well, I never thought I'd pay close to $500 for a video card, but I'mbuying

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> myself a nice christmas present this year. > > I've looked them all over, and I decided the ATI Radeon 9800 XT is what I > will get. > > There are three basic reasons: > > 1. I want a 256MB card. I think it's time. > 2. nVidia's current offerings do NOT impress me one bit. > 3. I considered the 9800 Pro, which in it's 128MB configuration is much > cheaper at $299 or so, but I want 256MB of RAM this time and the 256MB > versions of the 9800 pro are over $400. Might as well just go for the XT

! > > So, I need a utility that will COMPLETELY scrub the nVidia drivers from my > system. Reinstall windows. it's NEVER a bad idea - especially when doing a move like that. If you're prepared to spend $400+ on a graphics card, then you should be prepared to spend an hour reinstalling windows to set it up properly. Doug

Trust me. It's not an hour :) More like 2 days for me. All is ok. The scrubber I used worked fine. -Larry "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:br276p$281q3p$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Op5Ab.43189$yM6.18766@lakeread06... > > Well, I never thought I'd pay close to $500 for a video card, but I'm > buying > > myself a nice christmas present this year. > > > > I've looked them all over, and I decided the ATI Radeon 9800 XT is what

I

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> > will get. > > > > There are three basic reasons: > > > > 1. I want a 256MB card. I think it's time. > > 2. nVidia's current offerings do NOT impress me one bit. > > 3. I considered the 9800 Pro, which in it's 128MB configuration is much > > cheaper at $299 or so, but I want 256MB of RAM this time and the 256MB > > versions of the 9800 pro are over $400. Might as well just go for the

XT > ! > > > > So, I need a utility that will COMPLETELY scrub the nVidia drivers frommy > > system. > > Reinstall windows. it's NEVER a bad idea - especially when doing a movelike

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> that. > > If you're prepared to spend $400+ on a graphics card, then you should be > prepared to spend an hour reinstalling windows to set it up properly. > > Doug > >

Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the details on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this technology so be prepared. Mitch Larry wrote:

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> I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be installed. > I > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > -Larry >

Lots of newly developed software will require .Net framework. Its nothing more than the underline runtime system for new MS developed software, not sure why people have such issue with it. I think most think its some sort of internet based link to MS. Its no different than the runtime files other programs installed in the past, and if anything it easies installs as once the framework is in place, new apps are much easier to be installed. So its not an oddity at all, any software developed with Visual Studio is going to require the framework for it to run. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the details > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > technology so be prepared. > > Mitch > > > Larry wrote: > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be installed. > > I > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > -Larry > >

My problem is that programmers have forgotten how to be programmers, and WRITE CODE! Now they need a 'framework' that adds 25-50MB overhead to a program that does nothing more that write "Hello World" on the screen. But that's just me :) Maybe it's just part of life with a GUI. At least the _Windows_ GUI. And remember, every time something is written with a platform-specific framework, that's one more stab in the back of cross-platform. But I'm sure that NEVER crossed Microsoft's mind :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the details > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > technology so be prepared. > > Mitch > > > Larry wrote: > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be installed. > > I > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > -Larry > >

You pretty much mentioned what I don't like about it: 1. RUNTIME Files. 2. PLATFORM specific. -Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h84Fb.159141$[email hidden]... > Lots of newly developed software will require .Net framework. Its nothing > more than the underline runtime system for new MS developed software, not > sure why people have such issue with it. I think most think its some sort > of internet based link to MS. Its no different than the runtime filesother > programs installed in the past, and if anything it easies installs as once > the framework is in place, new apps are much easier to be installed. Soits > not an oddity at all, any software developed with Visual Studio is goingto

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> require the framework for it to run. > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. > > > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the details > > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > > technology so be prepared. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be installed. > > > I > > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > > > -Larry > > > > >

Most applications are that way. Java style apps seem to be all but dead thanks to Sun. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TrDFb.43161$hf1.39939@lakeread06...

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> You pretty much mentioned what I don't like about it: > > 1. RUNTIME Files. > 2. PLATFORM specific. > > -Larry > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:h84Fb.159141$[email hidden]... > > Lots of newly developed software will require .Net framework. Its

nothing > > more than the underline runtime system for new MS developed software,not > > sure why people have such issue with it. I think most think its somesort > > of internet based link to MS. Its no different than the runtime files > other > > programs installed in the past, and if anything it easies installs asonce

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> > the framework is in place, new apps are much easier to be installed. So > its > > not an oddity at all, any software developed with Visual Studio is going > to > > require the framework for it to run. > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. > > > > > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the

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> > > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > > > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > > > technology so be prepared. > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be

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> > > > I > > > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > >

If people are targeting Windows then what is the issue? Almost all apps today are platform specific and have been for the last decade or more for the majority. This is far fro ma new concept. Has nothing to do with not knowing how to code and more to do with using the tools at hand. The framework handles much of the low level code that would take months to recreate. Developers can focus on solving business/ end user needs as opposed to writing low level code to handle every hardware event. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FqDFb.43152$hf1.12701@lakeread06...

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> My problem is that programmers have forgotten how to be programmers, and > WRITE CODE! > > Now they need a 'framework' that adds 25-50MB overhead to a program that > does nothing more that write "Hello World" on the screen. > > But that's just me :) Maybe it's just part of life with a GUI. At least > the _Windows_ GUI. > > And remember, every time something is written with a platform-specific > framework, that's one more stab in the back of cross-platform. But I'm

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> that NEVER crossed Microsoft's mind :) > > -Larry > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. > > > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the details > > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > > technology so be prepared. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be installed. > > > I > > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > > > -Larry > > > > >

Well, there was once a time when Code Portabilty was important. I guess that's not the case any more... -Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O_GFb.166026$[email hidden]... > If people are targeting Windows then what is the issue? Almost all apps > today are platform specific and have been for the last decade or more for > the majority. This is far fro ma new concept. > > Has nothing to do with not knowing how to code and more to do with usingthe > tools at hand. The framework handles much of the low level code thatwould > take months to recreate. Developers can focus on solving business/ enduser

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> needs as opposed to writing low level code to handle every hardware event. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FqDFb.43152$hf1.12701@lakeread06... > > My problem is that programmers have forgotten how to be programmers, and > > WRITE CODE! > > > > Now they need a 'framework' that adds 25-50MB overhead to a program that > > does nothing more that write "Hello World" on the screen. > > > > But that's just me :) Maybe it's just part of life with a GUI. At

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> > the _Windows_ GUI. > > > > And remember, every time something is written with a platform-specific > > framework, that's one more stab in the back of cross-platform. But I'm > sure > > that NEVER crossed Microsoft's mind :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1 box. > > > > > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the

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> > > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > > > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > > > technology so be prepared. > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be

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> > > > I > > > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > >

Not really important now no. I've worked in software development for over the last 10 years in a variety of industries and the issue has never come up once with any of the clients I have dealt with. Most want solutions that fit their current infrastructure and meet their business needs. Cross platform support is a nice feature but only if is a true requirement and not just some nice to have feature. At the end of the day it means little if a companies systems are all Windows based. Not saying its a perfect world but that's how it is. Same as with games, why go cross platform if 90%+ of your market is on one OS. The extra effort is not justified basically. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2rIFb.44072$hf1.12032@lakeread06...

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> Well, there was once a time when Code Portabilty was important. I guess > that's not the case any more... > > -Larry > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O_GFb.166026$[email hidden]... > > If people are targeting Windows then what is the issue? Almost all apps > > today are platform specific and have been for the last decade or more

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> > the majority. This is far fro ma new concept. > > > > Has nothing to do with not knowing how to code and more to do with using > the > > tools at hand. The framework handles much of the low level code that > would > > take months to recreate. Developers can focus on solving business/ end > user > > needs as opposed to writing low level code to handle every hardware

event. > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:FqDFb.43152$hf1.12701@lakeread06... > > > My problem is that programmers have forgotten how to be programmers,and > > > WRITE CODE! > > > > > > Now they need a 'framework' that adds 25-50MB overhead to a programthat

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> > > does nothing more that write "Hello World" on the screen. > > > > > > But that's just me :) Maybe it's just part of life with a GUI. At > least > > > the _Windows_ GUI. > > > > > > And remember, every time something is written with a platform-specific > > > framework, that's one more stab in the back of cross-platform. But

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> > sure > > > that NEVER crossed Microsoft's mind :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Jeez larry Im suprised you ever upgraded your 8088 based dos 3.1

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> > > > > > > > New technology occasionlly works as advertised. I dont have the > details > > > > on the don net framework but you WILL use it. Maybe not today or > > > > tommorow but eventually. ALl new MS products are based on this > > > > technology so be prepared. > > > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > > > I found Detonator R.I.P which seems to have done the job. > > > > > > > > > > One oddity. It requires the Microsoft .Net framework to be > installed. > > > > > I > > > > > sure hope that doesn't catch on as a requirement! > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >