GPL: Help with turn 8 at Mosport

Hi, I'm currently trying to learn Mosport in my trusty old Cooper. The best I've managed so far is a 1:25.67, but I reckon there's more to come. My reason for believing this is turn 8, for which I just cannot find a reliably fast technique. My problem is the crest just before the turn. Often I land and immediately squirt off to the right and onto the grass. I guessed this was me hitting the bump ***s, so I tried raising the ride height and stiffening the springs but this still sometimes happens. Mmm, maybe more height needed. Could any of you GPL types offer some advice as to how best to take this hill? Do you brake at all on the way up? Maybe lift on the way up? Or perhaps, like my technique over the Flugplatz, lift off on the way up then floor it just before the crest, to ensure I don't land nose first, then hit the brakes? Of course I can try each technique out, but I thought this would make an interesting wee debate. Thanks for any advice. Cheers, Tiger Ink -- remove JunkOff from e-mail address to reply --

Hi, I stay flat to the floor until *just* before the crest, and then I lift back to about 70-75% throttle until the car is back on all four wheels after it. Then I brake for the right-hander afterwards. I've never tried Mosport in the Cooper but my best in the Lotus is 1m19.90 :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

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> Hi, > I'm currently trying to learn Mosport in my trusty old Cooper. The best I've > managed so far is a 1:25.67, but I reckon there's more to come. > My reason for believing this is turn 8, for which I just cannot find a reliably > fast technique. My problem is the crest just before the turn. Often I land and > immediately squirt off to the right and onto the grass.

The key here is that you *must* be off the brakes just after you go over the crest. In other words, if you brake slightly just before the crest, make sure you then let go the brakes for a moment, wait for the car to steady up after landing and then brake again. I think some people can do it without braking at all before the crest, but I can't! It's similar to The Loop at Watkin's Glen: if you're braking as you go over the crest you'll lose it every time. I don't think you can tell this from watching a replay, either - at least, I couldn't.

I can't comment on the F1, but the F3's do the same thing. My *guess* is that there is still a tinny bit more load on one side of the car then the other. When you are in the air it translats into a side ways motion. then, when you land and have traction again, it's exaggerated and throws you around. I know I'm right, but someone else can give a better explaination and/or wording. Mike Barlow

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> Hi, > I'm currently trying to learn Mosport in my trusty old Cooper. The best I've > managed so far is a 1:25.67, but I reckon there's more to come. > My reason for believing this is turn 8, for which I just cannot find a reliably > fast technique. My problem is the crest just before the turn. Often I land and > immediately squirt off to the right and onto the grass. I guessed this was me > hitting the bump ***s, so I tried raising the ride height and stiffening the > springs but this still sometimes happens. Mmm, maybe more height needed. > Could any of you GPL types offer some advice as to how best to take this hill? > Do you brake at all on the way up? Maybe lift on the way up? Or perhaps, like > my technique over the Flugplatz, lift off on the way up then floor it just > before the crest, to ensure I don't land nose first, then hit the brakes? > Of course I can try each technique out, but I thought this would make an > interesting wee debate. > Thanks for any advice. > Cheers, > Tiger Ink > -- remove JunkOff from e-mail address to reply --

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And here's another "hot lap" sight for F3 cars... http://bovineracing.com/~mhorton/ Mike Barlow

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> >I'm currently trying to learn Mosport in my trusty old Cooper. The best I've > >managed so far is a 1:25.67, but I reckon there's more to come. > I find the best way to learn the secrets of a track is to go to the > hotlap site and download a couple of replays... > [link lost in import: /~schubi/index.html] > They have ten replays there with laps under 1:20. > I find Mosport to be very difficult and frustrating, those hills, > trying to brake coming over the crests with no grip. It's probably my > least favourite track and I'm a Canadian!! > glen

-- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Mark Seery ***sports [link lost in import] Sim Racing Mag http://www.simracingmag.com/ Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) mikeba.vcf < 1K Download