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2 posts by 2 people · 03 Jul 1999 - 03 Jul 1999

Aubrey 03 Jul 1999#477674
I'm sure this bores the ***out of some of you, but hey, that's what usenet is for. I have 2 theories: 1. The Lotus isn't completely off the bump ***s unless you set the rideheight to about 4". This only applies to a nice flat circuit like Monza, so on a track like Mosport, or the 'Ring, it may be impossible to stay off the bump ***s thru most of the corners. 2. Longer bump ***s are indeed softer. But this makes me wonder, why not just use 2.5" bump ***s ALL the time? And here's an interesting remark I swiped from Alison Hine's site at [link lost in import] ---snip--- "Remember that the minimum length for bump stops is one inch. Dave Kaemmer recently confirmed to me that when the car is about one inch off the ground, the suspension contacts the top of a one inch bump stop. Keep in mind that at a length of one inch, the spring rate of the bump stops is very, very high - many times higher than that of the springs at their stiffest setting. Now watch how many times the bottom of the car goes down to one inch or less above the ground. And remember that every time it does, the spring rate has just gone up dramatically at whichever corner of the car that's down at one inch or less. Notice how often the rear of the car goes down by itself, while the front stays above one inch - and what happens to the car's direction of travel when this occurs." ---snip--- MAKE NOTE of what Papy's physics programmer, Dave Kaemmer says. This isn't exactly relevant to my argument, but it's been a hot topic of debate in the past. Also interesting, is that she agrees with me that longer bump ***s are softer. And here's where I get controversial- Now, I think Alison may have made a mistake with her new setups. She's made them smoother by raising the rideheight, but she's mistaken in thinking that the car is off the bump ***s thru the turns. I think all she's done is limit how hard the bump ***s get hit. The impact occours closer to where the car is completing its suspension movement, thus the impact is softer, thus the car feels smoother. It was a great discovery, but you can take it even further by using longer bump ***s. Furthermore, taller bump ***s may actually allow you to run a LOWER rideheight, since you don't have to worry about softening the impact by changing the point where it occours. I've now created Lotus setups for Monza and Mosport using tall bump ***s, and they are both more stable than any Lotus setup I've ever tried. I really think I'm on to something. I hope its obvious that this is in no way a slam against Alison. On the contrary, I wouldn't have even thought of revising my own setups if it weren't for her great Ferrari setups. Discuss. Heck, just TRY it! You'll like it! **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****
Hears a simple answer to your theory. Progressive rate bump ***s were not available in 1967. Modern elastomer materials allow them to be an integral part of the shock absorber. But not then. One inch is a good height to set them at, because all they were used for was to stop the chassis bottoming when going 'off-road'. Alison is right. Steve
Quoted text (13 lines)>I'm sure this bores the ***out of some of you, but hey, >that's what usenet is for. >I have 2 theories: >1. The Lotus isn't completely off the bump ***s unless >you set the rideheight to about 4". This only applies to a >nice flat circuit like Monza, so on a track like Mosport, or >the 'Ring, it may be impossible to stay off the bump ***s >thru most of the corners. >2. Longer bump ***s are indeed softer. But this makes >me wonder, why not just use 2.5" bump ***s ALL the time?
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