what's up with the Don Wilshe stuff

Long time listener, first time caller... er, wrong show.. OK, having read only the topics that interest me in RAS, I do not quite understand the Don Wilshe bashing. By no means am I defending anyone or passing judgment, I would just like a little more background than I have currently. I see a lot of posts poking fun and would like to understand the reasoning. Keep in mind that I thoroughly love belittling anyone for anything, but I like to have some reasoning first. Granted, I am relatively new to RAS and have only been paying attention for a short while, so please provide the foundation for my RAS education. Once I feel I am armed with the general consensus, I can then form my biased judgment based on what everyone else thinks. Thanks Dave

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:48:44 GMT, "KnektR" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Long time listener, first time caller... >er, wrong show.. > >OK, having read only the topics that interest me in RAS, I do not quite >understand the Don Wilshe bashing. Since this seems to come up every 2-3 months, maybe someone should write a Don Wilshe FAQ. Jason

lmao 1. He is wierd. 2. He's been around since the Hawaii days. 3. He rubs alot of people the wrong way. :\ "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:48:44 GMT, "KnektR" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Long time listener, first time caller... > >er, wrong show.. > > > >OK, having read only the topics that interest me in RAS, I do not quite > >understand the Don Wilshe bashing. > > Since this seems to come up every 2-3 months, maybe someone should > write a Don Wilshe FAQ. > > Jason

>"KnektR" <[email hidden]> wrote > OK, having read only the topics that interest me in RAS, I do not quite > understand the Don Wilshe bashing. Google search about it! This NG is full of idiosyncratic characters that have a long, long history of interaction, good and bad. Don is one of them 8) But one way or another, just remember that you can qualify faster at Atlanta by banging the side of the car. Yes indeed! ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

KnektR wrote: > > Long time listener, first time caller... > er, wrong show.. > > OK, having read only the topics that interest me in RAS, I do not quite > understand the Don Wilshe bashing. It's what happens when people refuse to play by the same rules as others take for granted, additionally Don doesn't give a flying f*** if he rubs people the wrong way, I've had my run in's with Don but I have no problems with him posting here, like my opinion matter, as long as he posts about things that are on topic I'll admit that some of the things he says rubs me the wrong way and I've prolly said things that I wouldn't say to him if the discussion had taken place at the local pub, but I'm not going to join those who jumps all over him no matter what he posts about I've yet to see anyone post that they've been conned by Don, my involvement with Don has been fruitless, but they cost me very little time and absolutely no money, so warning others about getting involved with him is totally off the mark If Don wants to use this NG to recruit people to help with his project, a project which is totally on topic for the NG, then he has every right to do so And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <kedAb.1104$[email hidden]>, "Charlie B" <[email hidden]> writes: >lmao > >1. He is wierd. >2. He's been around since the Hawaii days. >3. He rubs alot of people the wrong way. That could describe Francois as well. :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Goy Larsen" wrote > I've yet to see anyone post that they've been conned by > Don Lets not forget the hotlaps fiasco where it was alleged that don was stealing setups with his "software" Tim Don

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> > > > OK, having read only the topics that interest me in RAS, I do not quite > > understand the Don Wilshe bashing. > > It's what happens when people refuse to play by the same rules as others > take for granted, additionally Don doesn't give a flying f*** if he rubs > people the wrong way, I've had my run in's with Don but I have no > problems with him posting here, like my opinion matter, as long as he > posts about things that are on topic > > I'll admit that some of the things he says rubs me the wrong way and > I've prolly said things that I wouldn't say to him if the discussion had > taken place at the local pub, but I'm not going to join those who jumps > all over him no matter what he posts about > > I've yet to see anyone post that they've been conned by Don, my > involvement with Don has been fruitless, but they cost me very little > time and absolutely no money, so warning others about getting involved > with him is totally off the mark > > If Don wants to use this NG to recruit people to help with his project, > a project which is totally on topic for the NG, then he has every right > to do so > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

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> If Don wants to use this NG to recruit people to help with his > project, a project which is totally on topic for the NG, then he has > every right to do so > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no"

Well said! IAWTP Sean

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to mind... -jde

Yup, and his attempts to "buy" reviews for some rally software titles. "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]...

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to > mind... > > -jde > >

Promoters life is never dull... Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. http://www.rallyracer.com Don Wilshe "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]...

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to > mind... > > -jde > > >

Buy reviews.. thats a new one.. how do you do that? lol I develop video games. About 10 racing games in the last 4 years. I have lots of people that write reviews. Buying one is one I never have done... Get a grip dude and at least make up a believeable story.. If I tried to buy reviews.. please name names and give facts.. what did you do get this 4th hand.. lol dw "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aUEAb.115601$[email hidden]...

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> Yup, and his attempts to "buy" reviews for some rally software titles. > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to > > mind... > > > > -jde > > > > > > >

"Charlie B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kedAb.1104$[email hidden]... > lmao > > 1. He is wierd. > 2. He's been around since the Hawaii days. > 3. He rubs alot of people the wrong way. > All true.. Very outspoken and win alot of races.. that really pisses off the losers.. lol don

You were looking for sites to do favourable reviews for Ratbag titles and help "get the word out" on these. Basically a paid review IMHO. You only wanted sites with high hit counts and the impression I got was the review had to be good for the title. Wasn't like you wanted an unbiased assessment of the titles in question. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VVGAb.22987$[email hidden]...

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> Buy reviews.. thats a new one.. how do you do that? lol > > I develop video games. About 10 racing games in the last > 4 years. I have lots of people that write reviews. Buying one > is one I never have done... Get a grip dude and at least make > up a believeable story.. If I tried to buy reviews.. please name > names and give facts.. what did you do get this 4th hand.. > lol > > dw > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aUEAb.115601$[email hidden]... > > Yup, and his attempts to "buy" reviews for some rally software titles. > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to > > > mind... > > > > > > -jde > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hmm that site gives no indication it is "coming soon", rather it seems to explain why things are delayed and messed up. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9UGAb.22986$[email hidden]...

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> Promoters life is never dull... > > Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. > > http://www.rallyracer.com > > Don Wilshe > > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to > > mind... > > > > -jde > > > > > > > >

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5uHAb.115653$[email hidden]... > You were looking for sites to do favourable reviews for Ratbag titles and > help "get the word out" on these. Basically a paid review IMHO. You only > wanted sites with high hit counts and the impression I got was the review > had to be good for the title. Wasn't like you wanted an unbiasedassessment > of the titles in question. I doubt i could ever control the reviews.. lol.. wishful thinking but the editors arent puppets. I gave the demo to all the sites.. they wrote what they wanted. DW

Ask Eric.. I havent talked to him since he owed me $2000 about 3 years ago.. you might be right DW "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MxHAb.115654$[email hidden]...

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> Hmm that site gives no indication it is "coming soon", rather it seems to > explain why things are delayed and messed up. > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9UGAb.22986$[email hidden]... > > Promoters life is never dull... > > > > Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. > > > > http://www.rallyracer.com > > > > Don Wilshe > > > > > > > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes to > > > mind... > > > > > > -jde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > >3. He rubs alot of people the wrong way. > > That could describe Francois as well. :-) I "rubbed" alot of people in the wrong day, that's the difference :-P -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M%KAb.42916$%[email hidden]... > > I doubt i could ever control the reviews.. lol.. wishful thinking but the > editors > arent puppets. I gave the demo to all the sites.. they wrote what they > wanted. Nice attempt at playing coy and innocent. Given a few seconds with Google, I found this from last January: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=don+wilshe+ratbag+review+group:rec.autos.simulators&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.autos.simulators&safe=off&selm=17UT9.239200%24C8.756136%40nnrp1.uunet.ca&rnum=1 "These are for PC Games and we try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact me." Managed to take a thinly-veiled shot at Papy, and ask for reviewers capable-enough for "good reviews" in two sentences. Given your penchant for happy, I seriously doubt you meant "good" in terms of quality of the review, but just the outcome. -jde

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fd38e28$0$54345$[email hidden]... > Given your penchant for > happy insert "talk" there

Actually no, you wouldn't give the demo to all sites, you specifically asked for specifics on hit counts, members, etc before you offered demons and swag. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M%KAb.42916$%[email hidden]... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5uHAb.115653$[email hidden]... > > You were looking for sites to do favourable reviews for Ratbag titlesand > > help "get the word out" on these. Basically a paid review IMHO. Youonly > > wanted sites with high hit counts and the impression I got was thereview

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> > had to be good for the title. Wasn't like you wanted an unbiased > assessment > > of the titles in question. > > > I doubt i could ever control the reviews.. lol.. wishful thinking but the > editors > arent puppets. I gave the demo to all the sites.. they wrote what they > wanted. > > DW > > >

So your saying its a scam? "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h0LAb.42917$%[email hidden]... > Ask Eric.. > > I havent talked to him since he owed me $2000 about 3 years ago.. youmight

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> be right > > DW > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MxHAb.115654$[email hidden]... > > Hmm that site gives no indication it is "coming soon", rather it seems

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> > explain why things are delayed and messed up. > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9UGAb.22986$[email hidden]... > > > Promoters life is never dull... > > > > > > Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. > > > > > > http://www.rallyracer.com > > > > > > Don Wilshe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes

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> > explain why things are delayed and messed up. > > > Promoters life is never dull... > > > Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. > > > http://www.rallyracer.com > > > Don Wilshe > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled comes

to > > > > mind... > > > > -jde

I can see now why you said what you did. I was asking for a good review. of course a critic of mine would think i meant a pro ratbag and non objective review. A supporter of mine would think i was asking for a good review. I meant good review.. A good review to me is only the truth.. Don Wilshe Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I4DT9.19410$[email hidden]... Here is a little update on the resources we have for reviewers. Again looking for websites that review games and are interested in RATBAG latest products about to be released. These are for PC Games and we try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact me. Here are some resources I got today from RATBAG you will get! 1. Interviews with the team or team members 2. Promotional samples limit 50 (available on release) 3. Artwork - Screen shots, logo's etc. 4. Demo - Available First week of Feb 5. The lastest available review code. "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fd38e28$0$54345$[email hidden]... > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:M%KAb.42916$%[email hidden]... > > > > I doubt i could ever control the reviews.. lol.. wishful thinking butthe

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> > editors > > arent puppets. I gave the demo to all the sites.. they wrote what they > > wanted. > > Nice attempt at playing coy and innocent. > > Given a few seconds with Google, I found this from last January: > >

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=don+wilshe+ratbag+review+group:rec.autos.simulators&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=rec.autos.simulators&safe=off&selm=17UT9.239200%24C8.756136%40nnrp1.uunet.ca&rnum=1

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> > "These are for PC Games and we > try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of > the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So > if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact > me." > > Managed to take a thinly-veiled shot at Papy, and ask for reviewers > capable-enough for "good reviews" in two sentences. Given your penchant

for > happy, I seriously doubt you meant "good" in terms of quality of thereview, > but just the outcome. > > -jde > > >

i didnt say that.. i havent talked to eric in 3 years or so.. dw "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nCMAb.115775$[email hidden]...

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> So your saying its a scam? > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:h0LAb.42917$%[email hidden]... > > Ask Eric.. > > > > I havent talked to him since he owed me $2000 about 3 years ago.. you > might > > be right > > > > DW > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:MxHAb.115654$[email hidden]... > > > Hmm that site gives no indication it is "coming soon", rather it seems > to > > > explain why things are delayed and messed up. > > > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:9UGAb.22986$[email hidden]... > > > > Promoters life is never dull... > > > > > > > > Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. > > > > > > > > http://www.rallyracer.com > > > > > > > > Don Wilshe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > > > > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled

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You went from saying "Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you" to claiming you haven't talked to them in 3 years since they owed you money. So are you involved or not? Don't fall of that fence as you try and walk both sides Don ;-) Anyway it doesn't matter, was just pointing out some of the issues people had run into with you. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sKMAb.24209$[email hidden]...

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> i didnt say that.. i havent talked to eric in 3 years or so.. > > dw > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nCMAb.115775$[email hidden]... > > So your saying its a scam? > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:h0LAb.42917$%[email hidden]... > > > Ask Eric.. > > > > > > I havent talked to him since he owed me $2000 about 3 years ago.. you > > might > > > be right > > > > > > DW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:MxHAb.115654$[email hidden]... > > > > Hmm that site gives no indication it is "coming soon", rather it

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> > to > > > > explain why things are delayed and messed up. > > > > > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:9UGAb.22986$[email hidden]... > > > > > Promoters life is never dull... > > > > > > > > > > Here is the TV program.. coming soon to you.. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rallyracer.com > > > > > > > > > > Don Wilshe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:3fd2a626$0$20881$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And last but not least, AFAIK, Don is not a spammer > > > > > > > > > > > > Rally Racer or whatever the vaporware reality show was titled > comes > > to > > > > > > mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > -jde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >