Voodoo 2 good prices now

> I was just at my local computer store, and they have the Elsa, Voodoo2 > cards, 16 MB, selling for $69 brand new! That's a pretty darn good > deal for those cards. You're not wrong! The Voodoo2 is still one of the most competitive 3D cards on the market. Its been at around 70 for a while now however. If you buy on-line, or from a direct order, you might be able to bring the price down even more. Thomas Ford "Please remove NOSPAMMING from e-mail address to reply"

Steven, those people that are emailing you are right. There is no such thing as a 16 MB Voodoo 2 card. You have Voodoo, Voodoo 2, and Voodoo Banshee confused. The original Voodoo cards only came with 4 MB. Voodoo 2 came only with 8 MB or 12 MB. Voodoo Banshee and of course Voodoo 3 have 16 MB. -Tim

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> I was just at my local computer store, and they have the Elsa, Voodoo2 > cards, 16 MB, selling for $69 brand new! That's a pretty darn good > deal for those cards. > ------------------ > First of all, people are E-mailing me suggesting there is no such > thing as a 16MB Voodoo card. here is a link to a store that is selling > them, though I do not see them on the web site, they are in the > Oceanside store. Second of all, They have them on Buy.com, but at > higher prices. next time I post some info, I might decide it is not > worth posting it, to many people try to suggest your wrong, and it is > not worth the hassle of backing up your info. IMHO. > =============== > http://www.allelec.com/ > ELSA, VICTORY II AGP 16MB VOODOO BANSHEE 2D/3D ACCELERATOR > Cards for $69 > ------------------ > Info from Buy.com > http://www.elsa.com/AMERICA/BUY_INDX.HTM > ================ > Steven S. Palmer > http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ > http://www.primenet.com/~ssp/ > http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ > ----------------------------------

Relax Steven! No one is out to get you and I'm not trying to turn this into an argument. I am only trying to educate you in regards to the 3dfx video cards because you are posting inaccurate information. A Voodoo is NOT the same as a Voodoo Banshee. The Voodoo graphics card came out a number of years ago, it can be had now for less than $30 if you can find it. It was a 3d add on card to your existing 2d graphics card. The Voodoo 2 is a couple years old and was also a 3d add on card that had more video RAM and was much faster than the original Voodoo. The Voodoo Banshee is less than a year old, has similar technology to the Voodoo 2, but is a single card solution for both 2d and 3d. I'm not "looking for a fight", just trying to make you a more knowledgeable person. -Tim

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> Well a Voodoo is a Voodoo Banshee. So how the hell did you try to turn > this in to an argument? And why? I gave people links and information, > and people like you want to fight about it. Well, go to the store that > sells them and argue with them, not me! Sheeesh! god (proof there is > no god), why are parents raising so many stupid kids? > ==================== > >Steven, those people that are emailing you are right. There is no such > >thing as a 16 MB Voodoo 2 card. You have Voodoo, Voodoo 2, and Voodoo > >Banshee confused. The original Voodoo cards only came with 4 MB. Voodoo

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> >MB. > >-Tim > >> I was just at my local computer store, and they have the Elsa, Voodoo2 > >> cards, 16 MB, selling for $69 brand new! That's a pretty darn good > >> deal for those cards. > >> ------------------ > >> First of all, people are E-mailing me suggesting there is no such > >> thing as a 16MB Voodoo card. here is a link to a store that is selling > >> them, though I do not see them on the web site, they are in the > >> Oceanside store. Second of all, They have them on Buy.com, but at > >> higher prices. next time I post some info, I might decide it is not > >> worth posting it, to many people try to suggest your wrong, and it is > >> not worth the hassle of backing up your info. IMHO. > >> =============== > >> http://www.allelec.com/ > >> ELSA, VICTORY II AGP 16MB VOODOO BANSHEE 2D/3D ACCELERATOR > >> Cards for $69 > >> ------------------ > >> Info from Buy.com > >> http://www.elsa.com/AMERICA/BUY_INDX.HTM > >> ================ > >> Steven S. Palmer > >> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ > >> http://www.primenet.com/~ssp/ > >> http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ > >> ----------------------------------

Are you claiming that the Elsa is a Voodoo2 16MB card? There is no such thing. There is no such thing as a 16MB Voodoo2 card. The Banshee and Voodoo3 cards are 16MB though. Um... According to the above part I have quoted, this is a 16MB Banshee card not Voodoo2 (which are only 8MB and 12MB flavors). -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

I went to buy.com. You see where is says VOODOO2 (hint: it is right next to where it says 12MB) 3DFX 1000 PCI 12MB VOODOO2 DIRECT 3D/GLIDE FOR *** (mfg part# V21312) Our Price: $86.95 Retail Price: $99.99 You save: $13.04 -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >You know, I see a good deal, come on talk about it, and some people >call me Wrong. Well, I gave links and information, unless you can go >to the store and check on what I found, then shutup. If I find, or >someone proves, I have been wrong I will apologize. It's not like I am >getting paid to share information on good deals I find and share. >Sheeesh! >==================== >>Steven, those people that are emailing you are right. There is no such >>thing as a 16 MB Voodoo 2 card. You have Voodoo, Voodoo 2, and Voodoo >>Banshee confused. The original Voodoo cards only came with 4 MB. Voodoo 2 >>came only with 8 MB or 12 MB. Voodoo Banshee and of course Voodoo 3 have 16 >>MB. >>-Tim >>> I was just at my local computer store, and they have the Elsa, Voodoo2 >>> cards, 16 MB, selling for $69 brand new! That's a pretty darn good >>> deal for those cards. >>> ------------------ >>> First of all, people are E-mailing me suggesting there is no such >>> thing as a 16MB Voodoo card. here is a link to a store that is selling >>> them, though I do not see them on the web site, they are in the >>> Oceanside store. Second of all, They have them on Buy.com, but at >>> higher prices. next time I post some info, I might decide it is not >>> worth posting it, to many people try to suggest your wrong, and it is >>> not worth the hassle of backing up your info. IMHO. >>> =============== >>> http://www.allelec.com/ >>> ELSA, VICTORY II AGP 16MB VOODOO BANSHEE 2D/3D ACCELERATOR >>> Cards for $69 >>> ------------------ >>> Info from Buy.com >>> http://www.elsa.com/AMERICA/BUY_INDX.HTM >>> ================ >>> Steven S. Palmer >>> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ >>> [link lost in import: /~ssp/] >>> http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ >>> ----------------------------------

>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:53:43 -0500, "Greg Cisko" >--Snipped like your circumcision........ At least my circumcision is smart enough to read that you are posting about a Voodoo Banshee card and realizes that it is *NOT a Voodoo2 card. But you can jerk yourself off and think what ever you want. Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Nothing in the description below says it's a Voodoo2 card.

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>First of all, people are E-mailing me suggesting there is no such >thing as a 16MB Voodoo card. here is a link to a store that is selling >them, though I do not see them on the web site, they are in the >Oceanside store. Second of all, They have them on Buy.com, but at >higher prices. next time I post some info, I might decide it is not >worth posting it, to many people try to suggest your wrong, and it is >not worth the hassle of backing up your info. IMHO. >=============== >http://www.allelec.com/ >ELSA, VICTORY II AGP 16MB VOODOO BANSHEE 2D/3D ACCELERATOR >Cards for $69 >------------------ >Info from Buy.com >http://www.elsa.com/AMERICA/BUY_INDX.HTM >================ >Steven S. Palmer >http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ >http://www.primenet.com/~ssp/ >http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ >----------------------------------

-- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

>Well a Voodoo is a Voodoo Banshee. So how the hell did you try to turn >this in to an argument? And why? I gave people links and information, >and people like you want to fight about it. Well, go to the store that >sells them and argue with them, not me! Sheeesh! god (proof there is >no god), why are parents raising so many stupid kids? Why are you so defensive? it's very good of you to show people some good deals. But not if you give them the wrong info. The Banshee belongs to the 3dfx range yes, but it is not a Voodoo card. It's a combination of the Voodoo2 minus one texture unit, and 3dfx's then-new 2D chip. Basically we have had the following from 3dfx Voodoo Graphics Voodoo Rush Voodoo2 Banshee Voodoo3 Just because the shop has it listed a certain way doesn't mean anything. More than likely it's some sales droid who couldnt tell you the difference between a 3dfx and a TNT card or even knows what Glide is. -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

>--Snipped like your circumcision........ >Here is the link to the store and what is for sale at what >price.....there is no way you can call me wrong about the info I am >posting. You would have to go to the store where they are on sale, or >call them to verify this info, if you will not listen to me. Hey moron, here's your original post, take a look at what you said, you said Voodoo2! Everyone who can read English can call you wrong, and they would be right. You posted info pertaining to a Banshee card which is NOT a Voodoo2 card. ****************************** I was just at my local computer store, and they have the Elsa, Voodoo2 cards, 16 MB, selling for $69 brand new! That's a pretty darn good deal for those cards. ------------------ Steven S. Palmer http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ http://www.primenet.com/~ssp/ http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ ---------------------------------- ******************************* -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

> You know, I see a good deal, come on talk about it, and some people > call me Wrong. Well, I gave links and information, unless you can go > to the store and check on what I found, then shutup. If I find, or > someone proves, I have been wrong I will apologize. It's not like I am > getting paid to share information on good deals I find and share. > Sheeesh! Best thing to do... post a message about this to one of the many Voodoo/3Dfx newsgroups. You can even connect to the 3Dfx news server and use their from there (you can find them on the 3Dfx homepage). Steven, you're speaking to people here who obviously know what they're saying, and have probably been using computers (and 3D accelerators) a lot longer than you (judging by your knowledge of 3D cards, that is). There's no need for any of us to visit the shop where you say you saw these cards, as they will be exactly the same as the cards we can all find in our local computer stores. Try not to be on the defensive when people offer you sound advice and information. They're not screwing you around, they're not teasing and they're not making fun of you. They are informing you that you are incorrect. We all makes mistakes at times - I know I've certainly made a lot of them! ;-) Thomas Ford "Please remove NOSPAM from e-mail address to reply"

> --I have it copies from the Elsa web site, European, page has exactly > what I tried to tell you, the board has the Voodoo2 features. > Here is the link, copy of text from Elsa Web site: > ----------------- > http://www.elsa.com/EUROPE/INDEX.HTM And Elsa have got what to do with the Voodoo2's? Zip! Thomas Ford "Please remove NOSPAM from e-mail address to reply"

Voodoo2 compatibility does not make it a Voodoo2 card. I am certain a banshee cannot do SLI. Example: A SoundBlaster "compatible" card does not *HAVE* to be a SoundBlaster. Also Voodoo2 cards were touted as 100% compatible with the 4MB original 3dfx Voodoo1 cards. There were not and many games needed voodoo2 specific patches. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:53:43 -0500, "Greg Cisko" >----------- >snipped >------------------------------------ >--I have it copies from the Elsa web site, European, page has exactly >what I tried to tell you, the board has the Voodoo2 features. >Here is the link, copy of text from Elsa Web site: >----------------- >[link lost in import] >------ >ELSA VICTORY ? II >ELSA and 3DfxMaximum Graphics Power for 3D Gamers >The ELSA VICTORY II represents a new generation of Voodoo graphics >boards. The Voodoo-Banshee graphics chip combines the 3D power, speed, >and compatibility of the Voodoo 2 chip generation with an extremely >fast 128-bit 2D graphics performance. Which meansan ideal all-in-one >graphics board for the most demanding home user. The ELSA VICTORY II >is a graphics board for maximum games fun but which also features >power enough for serious PC tasks. Ideal for combination with >Pentium-II systems. >Voodoo Banshee graphics chip: Full compatibility to Voodoo2 including >Glide support >Extreme fast 16 MB SGRAM and a 250 MHz RAMDAC >Super fast 2D/3D and video acceleration under Windows? 98 and Windows? >95 >Extremely fast, fully integrated 128-bit 2D hardware >High rendering quality including the latest 3D features such as bump >mapping, triliear filtering, and many more >Optimized for Pentium II and DVD playback >ELSAmovie? support (Software DVD player optional) >ELSA 3D REVELATOR? support (real 3D *** with shutter glasses >optional) >Equipment: Graphics processor Voodoo Banshee from 3Dfx > RAMDAC/pixel clock 250 MHz > Memory equipment 16 MB SGRAM > BIOS VBE 3.0 support > Bus system AGP >Features: Graphics standards: OpenGL? MCD (under Windows NT?), >Direct3D, DirectDraw, DirectVideo, ActiveX, Glide > 2D hardware features 128-bit Windows accelerationAll 256 raster >operations in hardware, block write > 3D hardware features Integrated Voodoo 2 pixel and single texture >unit, 100 Mpixels/s fill rate, 100 Mtexel/s fill rate, max. 4 mill. >Polygons/s, high-speed texture cache, 16-bit floating point Z buffer, >transparency and chroma key with color mask, alpha blending, 24-bit >color dithering, fog effects, LOD-MIP mapping, trilinear filtering, >edge anti-aliasing, bump mapping, perspective-corrected 3D texture >mapping. > Standards VESA-BIOS 3.0, DPMS, DDC2B, Plug&Play > Connectors Monitor: D-Shell 15-pin, VMI > Dimensions 172 x 83 mm (not including mount bracket) >Resolutions: Display memory Refresh rates >16 MB SGRAM 256 colors (8-bit) 64K colors (16-bit) 16.7 million colors >(24-bit/32-bit) >1600 x 1200 85 85 85 >1280 x 1024 100 100 100 >1152 x 864 100 100 100 >1024 x 768 120 120 120 >800 x 600 120 120 120 >640 x 480 120 120 120 >The values specified here are maximum values and can not always be >achieved under some operating conditions. Other graphic modes are >easily configured in Windows?. >Drivers/Software Operating systems Windows?95, Windows?98, Windows NT? >4.0 > Windows utilities ELSA WINman Suite incl. ELSA Settings, ELSAinfo >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >Package Contents: User Manual Extensive documentation in English and >German > Installation Guide English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, and >Dutch > Drivers/Software On CD-ROM, ELSA WINNERware, 3D games sampler >Service: Warranty 6 years > Support Via hotline and the Internet >No.: 00033 ELSA VICTORY II (Retail) >00744 ELSA VICTORY II (Bulk) >All names mentioned in this document may be trademarks or registered >trademarks of their respective owners. The ELSA logo is a registered >trademark of ELSA AG. >Subject to change without notice. No liability for technical errors or >omissions. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >======================== >You people should be nice and apologize to me. I had to go out of my >way to show you you continued to trash me while you were wrong. >------------- >Steven S. Palmer >http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ >[link lost in import: /~ssp/] >http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ >----------------------------------

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>Voodoo2 compatibility does not make it a Voodoo2 card. >I am certain a banshee cannot do SLI. Example: A >SoundBlaster "compatible" card does not *HAVE* to >be a SoundBlaster. >Also Voodoo2 cards were touted as 100% compatible with >the 4MB original 3dfx Voodoo1 cards. There were not and >many games needed voodoo2 specific patches.

In any case, a V2 is decidely "old-tech". good to keep for future Glide backward compatability, but i would not buy one now at any price. Z. Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

Right there. It may have some of the 3d capability of a Voodoo 2, but it's a Banshee. From what I've heard, they need all sorts of patches to work as good as a real Voodoo 2, and the 2d part sucks. I would just get the best of both GPL worlds and get a Stealth II S220 for $30 or less depending on rebates, and a Voodoo2 for $50 (if Creative ever gets more refurbs that is)...$10 more than the Banshee, lots faster. -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119

What sucks about the Banshee 2d capabilities? The 2d speed and image quality has always been top of the line. I think I remember reading that the 2d part of the Banshee was carried over to the V3. The only negative I've ever heard about the banshee is the 3d speed for games like Quake 2. Also, if you think back, the Voodoo 2 also needed all sorts of patches to work with games originally programmed for voodoo graphics and now we are seeing a bunch of Voodoo 3 patches for games, so glide has a track record of not being completly backwards compatible. -Tim > >boards. The Voodoo-Banshee graphics chip combines the 3D power, speed > Right there. It may have some of the 3d capability of a Voodoo 2, but it's > a Banshee. From what I've heard, they need all sorts of patches to work as

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> good as a real Voodoo 2, and the 2d part sucks. I would just get the best > of both GPL worlds and get a Stealth II S220 for $30 or less depending on > rebates, and a Voodoo2 for $50 (if Creative ever gets more refurbs that > is)...$10 more than the Banshee, lots faster. > -- > Kirk Lane > Tempe, AZ > ICQ: 28171652 > RMRL #119

>Just to say I proved, gave the appropriate links, web sites, and >information, on my point after people called me on the carpet saying I >was wrong. I think maybe there was an understanding. The card I <SNIP> >than $70. I saw good deal and people found a way to turn this thread >into something it was not. My fault, as most of the people in these >news group are much younger than me and are prone to fight and argue >with anyone that seems authoritative on any subject. For the sake of >the argument, OK kids, your right and I am wrong. I am not going to >respond anymore to thread. That's too bad, 'cause I've finally had more of this thread than _I_ can stand and I've decided to make ONE post about it: You mentioned that you had found a Voodoo 2 card and provided all the relevant info that you've repeated ad nauseum... okay... someone else merely pointed out that the card you mentioned wasn't actually a Voodoo2 but a Banshee and you took off. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to have looked back at the genus of this thread to see where it started to go offcourse. I don't think at the start ANYONE was trying to even say you were wrong - you just took it to heart and blew it into this moronic argument about ages and "correctness" and such. Next time, just realize that you weren't entirely right and someone was merely trying to educate you... Gunner

So, um . . . what racing sims (hint hint) do you like, Steven?

You tried to tell us it was a Voodoo2. it is not, has not, and will never be a Voodoo2. It is COMPATIBLE with Voodoo2, that is, games which run on V2 will run with Banshee. But it does NOT have all the features of V2, namely only a single texture unit, compared to twin texture units on a V2. And you listen to what I have been trying to tell you, that info below does not say the Elsa card is a Voodoo2 which you were claiming. You have just provided the info to argue against your own post.

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>--I have it copies from the Elsa web site, European, page has exactly >what I tried to tell you, the board has the Voodoo2 features. >Here is the link, copy of text from Elsa Web site: >----------------- >[link lost in import] >------ >ELSA VICTORY ? II >ELSA and 3DfxMaximum Graphics Power for 3D Gamers >The ELSA VICTORY II represents a new generation of Voodoo graphics >boards. The Voodoo-Banshee graphics chip combines the 3D power, speed, >and compatibility of the Voodoo 2 chip generation with an extremely >fast 128-bit 2D graphics performance. Which meansan ideal all-in-one >graphics board for the most demanding home user. The ELSA VICTORY II >is a graphics board for maximum games fun but which also features >power enough for serious PC tasks. Ideal for combination with >Pentium-II systems. >Voodoo Banshee graphics chip: Full compatibility to Voodoo2 including >Glide support >Extreme fast 16 MB SGRAM and a 250 MHz RAMDAC >Super fast 2D/3D and video acceleration under Windows? 98 and Windows? >95 >Extremely fast, fully integrated 128-bit 2D hardware >High rendering quality including the latest 3D features such as bump >mapping, triliear filtering, and many more >Optimized for Pentium II and DVD playback >ELSAmovie? support (Software DVD player optional) >ELSA 3D REVELATOR? support (real 3D *** with shutter glasses >optional) >Equipment: Graphics processor Voodoo Banshee from 3Dfx > RAMDAC/pixel clock 250 MHz > Memory equipment 16 MB SGRAM > BIOS VBE 3.0 support > Bus system AGP >Features: Graphics standards: OpenGL? MCD (under Windows NT?), >Direct3D, DirectDraw, DirectVideo, ActiveX, Glide > 2D hardware features 128-bit Windows accelerationAll 256 raster >operations in hardware, block write > 3D hardware features Integrated Voodoo 2 pixel and single texture >unit, 100 Mpixels/s fill rate, 100 Mtexel/s fill rate, max. 4 mill. >Polygons/s, high-speed texture cache, 16-bit floating point Z buffer, >transparency and chroma key with color mask, alpha blending, 24-bit >color dithering, fog effects, LOD-MIP mapping, trilinear filtering, >edge anti-aliasing, bump mapping, perspective-corrected 3D texture >mapping. > Standards VESA-BIOS 3.0, DPMS, DDC2B, Plug&Play > Connectors Monitor: D-Shell 15-pin, VMI > Dimensions 172 x 83 mm (not including mount bracket) >Resolutions: Display memory Refresh rates >16 MB SGRAM 256 colors (8-bit) 64K colors (16-bit) 16.7 million colors >(24-bit/32-bit) >1600 x 1200 85 85 85 >1280 x 1024 100 100 100 >1152 x 864 100 100 100 >1024 x 768 120 120 120 >800 x 600 120 120 120 >640 x 480 120 120 120 >The values specified here are maximum values and can not always be >achieved under some operating conditions. Other graphic modes are >easily configured in Windows?. >Drivers/Software Operating systems Windows?95, Windows?98, Windows NT? >4.0 > Windows utilities ELSA WINman Suite incl. ELSA Settings, ELSAinfo >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Package Contents: User Manual Extensive documentation in English and >German > Installation Guide English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, and >Dutch > Drivers/Software On CD-ROM, ELSA WINNERware, 3D games sampler >Service: Warranty 6 years > Support Via hotline and the Internet >No.: 00033 ELSA VICTORY II (Retail) >00744 ELSA VICTORY II (Bulk) >All names mentioned in this document may be trademarks or registered >trademarks of their respective owners. The ELSA logo is a registered >trademark of ELSA AG. >Subject to change without notice. No liability for technical errors or >omissions. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >======================== >You people should be nice and apologize to me. I had to go out of my >way to show you you continued to trash me while you were wrong. >------------- >Steven S. Palmer >http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4001/ >[link lost in import: /~ssp/] >http://members.tripod.com/~stevenscott/ >----------------------------------

-- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

>Just to say I proved, gave the appropriate links, web sites, and >information, on my point after people called me on the carpet saying I >was wrong. I think maybe there was an understanding. The card I >pointed out, Elsa Victory2 Voodoo, was designed and sold between the >Voodoo2 and the Voodoo3. it is backwards compatible and is a Voodoo >Banshee with Voodoo2 parts. While I found it to be sold at a very good That';s right, finally you realise it's a BANSHEE. Now go back up and look for your original post....and oh, here we go, it says VOODOO2. That's why everyone corrected you, and you chose to go off your obviously fragile mind and start making all sorts of pathetic insults and paranoid rants and raves. Your "fault" was that you had your info WRONG. At last you have finally used your 40 years of so-called experience, your engineering degree, and your niceness to read plain english and discover you were utterly totally wrong. Now take your paranoia and go argue with some other young'uns. -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

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>I have a Diamond Stealth II S220 in another of my computers. it is >better off in lower end Pentium computers. As far as I know, there is >no current rebate. I got one with rebate and after the rebate cost >only $8. I had 2 CL Riva TNT's and sold them because no VESA support >for Nascar99 in multi player mode. I already told everyone (thought I >had done everyone a favor that was considering a Voodoo) about a sale >price on Elsa Voodoo Victory II cards for $70, but they all freaked >and told me what I said did not exist. I also got a Hercules Thriller

No, you said Voodoo2. That's why everyone told you they didnt exist, because they DON'T. [pathetic attempt to impress people with your computer specs snipped] -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

I'm sure Steven likes: Need for Speed II: High Stakes Monaco GP Racing Simulator 3 Viper Racing Cars GT

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> So, um . . . what racing sims (hint hint) do you like, Steven? > > --I have it copies from the Elsa web site, European, page has exactly > > what I tried to tell you, the board has the Voodoo2 features. > > Here is the link, copy of text from Elsa Web site: > > ----------------- > > http://www.elsa.com/EUROPE/INDEX.HTM

How about them Packers!

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>You tried to tell us it was a Voodoo2. it is not, has not, and will >never be a Voodoo2. It is COMPATIBLE with Voodoo2, that is, games >which run on V2 will run with Banshee. But it does NOT have all the >features of V2, namely only a single texture unit, compared to twin >texture units on a V2. >And you listen to what I have been trying to tell you, that info below >does not say the Elsa card is a Voodoo2 which you were claiming. >You have just provided the info to argue against your own post. >>--I have it copies from the Elsa web site, European, page has exactly >>what I tried to tell you, the board has the Voodoo2 features. >>Here is the link, copy of text from Elsa Web site: >>----------------- >>http://www.elsa.com/EUROPE/INDEX.HTM

Are you mentally retarded or something? No one told you the Elsa Voodoo Victory II cards do not exist. We told you that these are 16MB Banshee cards. Man you need some help... Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com