PII vs. Celeron for GPL?

With the announcement that Nascar 3 will not have the physics engine of GPL, I've decided to upgrade the motherboard and processor of my current system now rather than get a new one in seven or eight months. The hardware FAQ seemed to indicate that at higher processor speeds a Celeron would give as good performance as a PII. Is this your experience as well? I'm deciding between a Celeron 466 and a PII 450. My system will also have: 128 megs RAM 4 meg Diamond Monster II (Voodoo2) I know either will do a heck of a lot better than my AMDK6-233, but I'd like the best possible performance for my $. Opinions please. Thanks in advance, David

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:07:57 -0500, I would buy the Celeron 466, and a Voodoo3-2000. -- * rrevved at mindspring dot com * unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m. * http://www.cabal.net * http://www.sputum.com

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:07:57 -0500, "David Montani"

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>With the announcement that Nascar 3 will not have the physics engine of GPL, >I've decided to upgrade the motherboard and processor of my current system >now rather than get a new one in seven or eight months. The hardware FAQ >seemed to indicate that at higher processor speeds a Celeron would give as >good performance as a PII. Is this your experience as well? I'm deciding >between a Celeron 466 and a PII 450. >My system will also have: >128 megs RAM >4 meg Diamond Monster II (Voodoo2)

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<<the best possible performance for my $>> Hello David. I would go with the Celeron. More RAM ( 128 vs 64 ) will will only provide you with longer replays. Also, if you get an ABIT motherboard with "softmenu" (BH-6, BX-6-2), you'll be able to overclock a Celeron much easier that a P-II. Robert Hull, Qubec

says... First, the Abit makes it equally simple to overclock a P2. Second, I've found that the new Celerons are not as overclockable as the original C300A. Third, the overclockability of any CPU is very dependant on what kind of memory you're running, and when you bought the CPU. I'm running four P2 systems (all of which are running Abit BX6/2 motherboards) here. 1) P2/450, PC100 RAM - overclocked to 504 2) P2/333, PC66 RAM - overclocked to 375 (with PC100 RAM - o/c to 415) 3) Cel/333, PC66 RAM - overclocked to 375 4) Cel/333, PC100 RAM - overclocked to 416 -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html Super X Philes http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I am currently running a Celeron 400 at 450mhz (6X75) with 96mb of non-pc100 SDRAM and have had no problems at all. Im using an AOpen Ax6BC motherboard which I am extremely happy with for stability. Just some additional information <G> Scott PA-Scott High Gear Editor - "The View" - http://www.simracingnews.com G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

If you decide on the PII go with the PIII 450 instead. The PIII may be 5 bucks more or less than the PII and is a better choice at this point. I have a PIII 450/BX6r2/CAS2 PC100 combo and have successfully oc'd it to 558mhz(too chicken to try 600<G>). Since its enough CPU for now with out oc I changed it back to normal. Scottie >Is this your experience as well? I'm deciding >between a Celeron 466 and a PII 450. >My system will also have: >128 megs RAM >4 meg Diamond Monster II (Voodoo2)

There is little performance difference between the PII 450 and the celeron 466. Keep in mind though, that if you get a PIII 450, you'll be able to upgrade to the PIII 600 when they come out, or at some point later when you need the extra power (Nascar with the GPL engine). The upgrade path for the celeron is not so clear. The Celeron would be cheaper though.

>Keep in mind though, that if you get a PIII 450, you'll be able to upgrade >to the PIII 600 when they come out, or at some point later when you need the From what I've heard, the 600+ MHz chips have been delayed by as much as a year (at max i hope :) Whatever chip you go with, get an Abit BH6 or BX6/2 motherboard. It's actually a better (more stable!) motherboard than my Asus P2B (PII 350, 3.5x133 BH6 vs 300a, 4.5x100 P2B) and FAR easier to overclock. You could actually build a GPL-ready computer for cheap if that's all you want to do... 450+ MHz processor, doesn't matter if it's overclocked to that speed 64 MB RAM Decent drives Stealth II S220 (dirt cheap, only 4MB RAM, but with the above processor, GPL will to 36 constant in 640X480 with all AI and details!) I imagine the reason faster Celerons are harder to o/c is because I would bet that the core they use (300a and up, PII 350 and up, all more or less the same) has its upper limit around 466-500 MHz. I would bet that most overclocked Celerons and PII's fit in at 466 or less MHz. Hence, they were kind of forced to go to the PIII for 500+ MHz, because if they kept using the same core, they'd be tossing a whole lot of them out to the lower-speeds trying to get enough to run 500 at 2.0 volts reliably.

Um, no. The .18 micron P3s have been pushed back about a month or so, but a P3-600 running at 100mhz (the .18 micron will run at 133mhz FSB) FSB will be on the market about the same time as the P3s would have come out. Check out www.sharkyextreme.com, I know they have a discussino of the Intel road map....www.anandtech.com might have one too and so might other sites.

There have been numerous reports on the overclocking newsgroups of folks having good success overclocking the Celeron 366 ppga to 550 mhz on the Abit boards. Even on a slot 1 mb with a good slotket adapter. At around 70 bugs for the chip, doesn't sound bad at all. The best success rates have been with week 19 or newer Malaysia chips. I am seriously thinking about adding one to my BH6, replacing my 300A which has been running rock solid at 450 since late January. -- Don Burnette Dburn on Ten http://members.home.net/d.burnette/Sportsman%204.htm > says... > ><<the best possible performance for my $>> > >Hello David. > >I would go with the Celeron. More RAM ( 128 vs 64 ) will will only > provide > >you with longer replays. > >Also, if you get an ABIT motherboard with "softmenu" (BH-6, BX-6-2), > you'll > >be able to overclock a Celeron much easier that a P-II. > First, the Abit makes it equally simple to overclock a P2. > Second, I've found that the new Celerons are not as overclockable as the > original C300A. snip

I'd just about bet ya all 600 mhz chips will require a new motherboard. -- Don Burnette Dburn on Ten http://members.home.net/d.burnette/Sportsman%204.htm

I doubt it, the PIII 600 (on the 100MHz FSB) is just a .25 micron PIII, simular to what is on the market now (execpt 50 MHz faster).

processor speeds a Celeron would give as appeared to be EXACTLY the same on both chips. The advantage the P111 has is that it can be o'clocked further. Mine runs perfectly at 558 (124x4.5) on PC100 ram. Also the new instruction set on the P111 COULD give you more time before another upgrade is needed. In short get a Celeron if money's tight, get a P111 if you want to o'clock further - forget the P11 !! Cheers.. Phillip...