GPL: tracks

I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: - Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting track. - Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. - Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. - Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. - Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s - Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s Other suggestions?? Greetings, Han

These tracks would be great to race. But give Dave Noonan and all the people, who were involved in creating Brands a break:)) Chhers Dirk Han Monsees schrieb: -- --------------------------------------------- http://www.simracinggermany.de http://members.tripod.de/dmu

> These tracks would be great to race. > But give Dave Noonan and all the people, who were involved in creating > Brands a break:)) > Chhers > Dirk Of course! I am just hoping that things go the same way as with GP2 some time ago: after the pioneers finally found out how to edit tracks, others started to edit. Within months, almost any track in the world was created. Wouldn't it be great if this happened to GPL, too. grts, hgrm

This would rock! Especially Hockenheim!

Brands is great, other suggestions: Goodwood, Aintree, Pau, Barcelona city.

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> >I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: > >- Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting > >track. > >- Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. > >- Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one > >was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. > >- Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. > >- Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s > >- Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s > >Other suggestions?? > >Greetings, Han > This would rock! Especially Hockenheim!

If I'm well-informed didn't Hockenheim have the chicanes it has today. Just imagine... A long straight (maybe 3 km), the infamous Ostkurve, another long straight and then that motodrome-section. Must be great. Han

What about for us American boys, road atlanta, the old configuration with turn 11 under the bridge and air born. I would like to see that. Jesse

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>I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: >- Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting >track. >- Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. >- Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one >was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. >- Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. >- Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s >- Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s >Other suggestions?? >Greetings, Han

Mount Panorama (F1 never got there, AFAIK, but what a track!), Road Atlanta, and perhaps Mid Ohio? I know there is no F1 association with any of these tracks, but they are all fantastic 'drivers' tracks.

How about recreating the Berlin race track?

You mean the Hockenheim where Jim Clark died in 1968 in an F2 race? Arto

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> >Other suggestions?? > Yes, why don't we start with the other tracks that 'our' cars ran in 'our' > year: > Oulton Park, Jarama and Syracuse? They were all non-championship races in > '67. Then there's the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans ofcourse (it seems to be > dull, but it would surely beat Dubai), and the Tasman series tracks. > After Dave Noonan has finished all those, I'd like to see Clermont-Ferrand > please <g> > Bye, > Leo

How about just any damn track, 1967 season or otherwise. I don't understand the need in this group to stick religiously to 1967. If we want the 67 season, we just use those tracks. So why can't we have any track in the world? Small to large, road to oval, and, if you wanted to get really crazy, off road (and I'm NOT an off roader). Isn't the fun just driving the damn cars on A track? If you lived where I do, and owned a 67 vintage F1 car, wouldn't you want to drive it at Road America? I sure would! wilbur

Indy we may be able to get if/when the full convertor is released... ICR1 Expansion > ICR2 Track > NASCAR 2 Track > GPL Track I hope I hope I hope! -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: >- Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting >track. >- Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. >- Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one >was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. >- Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. >- Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s >- Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s >Other suggestions?? >Greetings, Han

Yes, why don't we start with the other tracks that 'our' cars ran in 'our' year: Oulton Park, Jarama and Syracuse? They were all non-championship races in '67. Then there's the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans ofcourse (it seems to be dull, but it would surely beat Dubai), and the Tasman series tracks. After Dave Noonan has finished all those, I'd like to see Clermont-Ferrand please <g> Bye, Leo

In Dutch there is a saying 'every doctor has his own graveyard'. This could easily be converted to 'every track has his own graveyard' If tracks at which famous drivers have died would be excluded, what would be left? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Han Monsees Ornstein Laboratorium kamer 028 tel: 030-2532328 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smash forehead on keyboard to continue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >Other suggestions?? > Yes, why don't we start with the other tracks that 'our' cars ran in 'our' > year: > Oulton Park, Jarama and Syracuse? They were all non-championship races in > '67. Then there's the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans ofcourse (it seems to be > dull, but it would surely beat Dubai), and the Tasman series tracks.

wasn't Reims a non-cc race, too?? If the editor becomes widely spread, anyone should be able to contribute! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Han Monsees Ornstein Laboratorium kamer 028 tel: 030-2532328 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smash forehead on keyboard to continue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Would be interesting in the 60s layout, without the chicanes. Anyway, many F1 drivers raced on it in F2 racing, and Jim Clark died there in a F2 race. Also in 1980 and 81. Recently the track had some changes In this case the original track was very different from the one actually used by F.1. It was also used until 1980 (if I remember well) There are 2 different layouts, one is the Osterreichring, which was recently adapted to modern F.1, and the other one is a very simple track, with long straights and few turns, used in the early 60s, I guess. Anyway, they are all very good ideas, I hope that someone have enough time and data to build that tracks :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Home-page : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7917 Il sito di ISF1mod : http://www.blissett.com/isf1/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:24:41 +0200, "Per Bostr?m" >Brands is great, other suggestions: >Goodwood, Aintree, Pau, Barcelona city. Also the actual Mugello would be very interesting -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Home-page : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7917 Il sito di ISF1mod : http://www.blissett.com/isf1/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >>Other suggestions?? > >>Greetings, Han > Mount Panorama (F1 never got there, AFAIK, but what a track!), Road Atlanta, > and perhaps Mid Ohio? I know there is no F1 association with any of these > tracks, but they are all fantastic 'drivers' tracks.

Yes, Road Atlanta and Mid Ohio! As we will not see ICR3/CART2 for quite some time (maybe never?), being able to drive those tracks in my Ferrari would be splendid! l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> > >This would rock! Especially Hockenheim! > > You mean the Hockenheim where Jim Clark died in 1968 in an F2 race? > In Dutch there is a saying 'every doctor has his own graveyard'. This > could easily be converted to 'every track has his own graveyard' If tracks > at which famous drivers have died would be excluded, what would be left?

Remove Brands Hatch for once, then Spa, the Ring, Monaco, Watkins Glen etc etc..... Anyway, a special little thing to honour Jim will be at my Brands Hatch gfx update, not much, but I think it's nice:) Matt -- Matthew Birger Knutsen The Art of Legends http://www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL Cheek Racing Cars http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

- Riverside and Sebring were used by the F1 in 1959 and 1960!!! - Reims - Mont-Tremblant - Montjuich - East-London - Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...!!!!!! No F1 tracks from the 60ies but I would like to race there anyway: - Laguna Seca - Elkhart Lake - Pau kind regards, danny

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> I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: > - Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting > track. > - Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. > - Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one > was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. > - Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. > - Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s > - Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s > Other suggestions?? > Greetings, Han

Jesse... I drove in an ESCORT Endurance (SCCA PRO Racing) 12 Hour race at RL.....a few years back. You should try turn #11 at night!.... That's the only "experience" I can recall from my 'ESCORT days' that I remember being truly "scared"....each and every time I went through (or maybe the better term is "under and over") that turn! Coming up from T10....you are carrying all the speed off the back straight.....the car is under heavy, heavy compression as you exit T10 heading up the hill to T11...still turning lightly to the left (my shoulder blades and sternum area were very black n' blue'd from the helmet compressing down so hard...and I wasn't the only driver who wore a black n' blue "necklace" that weekend.....the next year we all wore neck donuts...they worked great). You have to start turning into (to the right) T11 while you are still under braking....and make sure you start carefully easing off the brake in exact "timing" with the car's gradual unweighting as the track starts "cresting" as you pass under the bridge. Then....to make matters worse.....the track just drops away underneath you...the car is fully airborne and you now have to "match" the rear tire spin (throttle squeeze so gently) so when you come back down (about 50' down the other side of the track) your rear tire spin and car speed are matched up! You are now heading downhill at a blinding speed....and you have about 2 seconds to gather up the car before you have to brake...and turn in.....to T12 leading you back onto the main straight....which is another high-speed and hard compression turn to the right! During the daylight hours....when you are airborne going out from under the bridge....all you can see is "sky" in your windshield...then you first see the tops of the trees over behind the paddock area as you are coming down. Most everyone used those tree tops....as your "mark" for easing back on the throttle to get your rear wheel spin "matched" up with the car's speed when it reconnected with the track. At night.....oh my gosh......NO TREES! All you have is a completely black windshield! We all learned to do a "count"....."thousand-one, thousand-two, thousand-three" .......to "mark" the same point we used the trees for during the day! The best way to imagine this is to think of the famous "roller coaster" ride....where the first "big climb" out of the station is at full speed...instead of click-click-click-click slow....then you "crest" and pull big-time negative G's....then back to full speed down the other side! Only....add into this the track turning to the left going up....and turning back again to the right going down! Then throw in some "black" night sky just for fun! Gosh, I'm getting little "twitches" in my face muscles just writing this. Oh.....and by the way.... The pit entrance was right at the point where you'd "come down" onto the track after being airborne......so your crew always had to "talk you" through the turn...every lap....making sure there wasn't a car slowing to pit.....or a good chance was taken you'd come down on that car's lid! I don't know what drivers did there before they had radios! I don't think there's a driver in the world.....who has run Road Atlanta and NOT thought that turn needed reconfiguring. They finally did a few years back. If we got the "old" Road Atlanta in GPL.....I think I'd have to race with plastic over my keyboard and wheel.......just in case my "sick" stomach got out of hand! Thanks for making me remember all that Jesse........NOT.......lol Regards, Tom Pabst

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>What about for us American boys, road atlanta, the old configuration with >turn 11 under the bridge and air born. I would like to see that. >Jesse >>I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: >>- Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting >>track. >>- Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. >>- Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one >>was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. >>- Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. >>- Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s >>- Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s >>Other suggestions?? >>Greetings, Han

>- Riverside and Sebring were used by the F1 in 1959 and 1960!!! I'll second Riverside ... I have a few fond memories of that track going to the Times Grand Prix there as a kid. It looks like it would be a fun track to race, a nice combination of fast and slow turns, with some changes in elevation. It had a very long back straight that ended with a fast banked turn, similar to the last turn at Mexico. Dave Ewing

I agree that Clermont-Ferrand would be one hell of a track in GPL, a mini-Nurburgring. The 1965 French GP held there was the first F1 race I can ever recall seeing on television. Jim Clark was masterful that day, totally dominated. The problem, as I see it, would be the lack of reference material available to do a good job. All the pictures I've seen from the 1965 and 1972 GPs that were held there seem to have been taken from only about half a dozen or so different vantage points. Even the shots from the film Grand Prix don't provide many more details since they are concentrated in the area of the S/F line and the pits. In order to be able to create the track someone would probably have to go there and drive round and round and take LOTS of pictures. BTW, I recall a comment from Jackie Stewart regarding the circuit. He said one of the most difficult things about it is that there are two sections of the track that look completely identical from the***pit, same turn sequences and same background scenery. He said you really had to be paying close attention on every lap or you could lose track of exactly where you were on the circuit, since the sequences following these two sections were quite different... Ah well, this would probably ease the burden of someone trying to create the track for GPL - copy and paste. Ian

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>- Riverside and Sebring were used by the F1 in 1959 and 1960!!! >- Reims >- Mont-Tremblant >- Montjuich >- East-London >- >Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...Clermont-Ferrand...!!!!!! >No F1 tracks from the 60ies but I would like to race there anyway: >- Laguna Seca >- Elkhart Lake >- Pau >kind regards, >danny >> I think some interesting tracks could be made for GPL: >> - Hockenheim. Wasn;t used in F1 at the time, but still an interesting >> track. >> - Indianapolis. Was part of F1 till 1960. Would be great to race on. >> - Reims. French GP was held alternatingly at Rouen and Reims. If the one >> was the French GP, the other was a non-CC race a week before. >> - Jarama. Hosted Spanish GP occasionally during 50s till 70s. >> - Buenos Aires. Hosted Argentine GP occasionally during 50s and 60s >> - Oesterreichring. Hosted Austrian GP during 60s and 70s >> Other suggestions?? >> Greetings, Han

Great read, Tom! I grew up watching the CSPRRC, IMSA GT, CanAm, F5000, Formula Atlantic, SCCA Nationals/Regionals, and everything else I could at Road Atlanta. Even did a bike race there once before one of the pro events. We raced backwards...ten climbs up from T12 to T11 was just a real treat! But even with all the time I spent there, and with all the cars I saw lose it coming out from under the bridge, I had no idea that T11 was such a science!... "thousand-one, thousand-two, thousand-three"...Wow! Thanks for sharing that with us! Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL