Driving Simulation?

I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Anthony

Viper Racing might be a good place to start -- excellent physics model, and a variety of tracks. Midtown Madness may fall more into the "arcade" category but it's more about driving in a city-type environment. The upcoming "Driver" game should into the same category as Midtown Madness, but with more of a plot. Sierra/Papyrus produced a sim called "Drivers Education" a while back that was actually a drivers ed simulator. You might try to see if Sierra still has that available on their Web site. -- JB On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:00:08 +0100, "Anthony E. Strozyk"

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>I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an >actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with >less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore >various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a >simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a >racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much >appreciated. >Thanks, >Anthony

IMHO, anything is arcade except GPL... :) Ciaoooooooo! ;) -- Roland

being that he said he wasdn't interested in arcade games, I don't thing Miudtown madness applies at all.

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>> I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an >> actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with >> less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore >> various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a >> simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a >> racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Anthony >If you want a fun driving experiance with gorgeous graphics.... get MTM2.If >you want a real serious, swap your life racing sim... got to be ..... GPL. >Dave Hawnt

Actually this is what he said: Midtown Madness has a cruise mode in which you can drive around endlessly, not racing anyone or anything, avoiding pedestrians and obeying traffic signals and merging with traffic in a limited but fairly realistic repesentation of a real city. You can even choose to eliminate the cops altogether. You can choose the time of day and season of the year, density of traffic, density of pedestrians, etc. I think it completely qualifies for what he seemed to be interested in. Midtown Madness certainly can be a crazy arcade game, but it can be someting entirely different if you choose. ~daxe

MTM2 is Monster Truck Madness 2. I think we decided to call Midtown Madness "MM" or something like that. daxe

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> I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an > actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with > less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore > various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a > simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a > racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much > appreciated. > Thanks, > Anthony

If you want a fun driving experiance with gorgeous graphics.... get MTM2.If you want a real serious, swap your life racing sim... got to be ..... GPL. Dave Hawnt

And to think we were once marvaling at the complexities and detail and fantastic physics model of NASCAR 2. Even though short ovals are my first love in racing, I can't stand to play N2 for more than 15 minutes any more. buzard > IMHO, anything is arcade except GPL... :) > Ciaoooooooo! ;) > -- Roland

On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:00:08 +0100, "Anthony E. Strozyk"

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>I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an >actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with >less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore >various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a >simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a >racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much >appreciated.

What sort of racing are you looking for? If it's oval racing, I'd recommend Nascar Racing 2, which is available for around 9 these days. You can also download a 3Dfx patch for it, if you don't have a Rendition card. If you're looking for the most challenging _pure_ simulator available, plus high speed, close action and excellent multiplayer races, buy GPL (Grand Prix Legends). It is without a doubt in my mind, the best racing simulator we've seen yet. Nascar 3 looked promising, but by removing the GPL physics engine, they've taken away some of the hype. In both GPL and N2 you'll be tweaking the car for each race and track every time you race - more so in GPL. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

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>> being that he said he wasdn't interested in arcade games, I don't thing >> Miudtown madness applies at all. >Actually this is what he said: >> >> I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an >> >> actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with >> >> less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore >> >> various environments in a car. >Midtown Madness has a cruise mode in which you can drive around endlessly, not

<snip> Is it just me or is there anyone else who loves this game and thinks it knocks the likes of Ridge Racer 1-4 and Gran Turismo into a***ed hat? I'm not quite as interested in getting behind the wheel of a large racer than I am in driving around a normal town in a normal car and seeing what would happen if I did drive like a loony, and Midtown Madness gives you the chance to do that. If I had only one complaint it would be that it doesn't let me drive round my hometown as that would be fun to do. I could drive through the shopping malls a la Blues Brothers :) Dom /* [link lost in import] ---> Go to "Dominator's Reviews" /* DVDs, laserdiscs, videos, cinema films, games, CDs, plus the Widescreen Lists /* >>> ronin, the matrix, nowhere to run, screamers, the assignment <<< /* >>> as good as it gets, excess baggage, sea of love, midnight express <<< /* Region 2 DVD & PAL Laserdiscs, PC & Playstation game reviews now online

I just bought "Official Formula 1 racing " by EIDOS I've got a p-150 32 meg of ram and a 3dfx card (the old one) and it runs great on my machine. It is the best F1 game I've seen. The graphics are great, you can race from almost any view (the***pit view is real hard IMHO) The physics of the engine are forgiving in the beginner mode but very hard in the expert mode. I have heard the same can't be said for GPL. I don't have GPL bcause I don't think it will run on my machine. Nascar 2 is also an excellent game IMHO. jp

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>I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an >actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with >less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore >various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a >simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a >racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much >appreciated. >Thanks, >Anthony

I can only say to you my friend, wait till you get a new machine and try GPL. The game you are talking about is pretty to look at but that is about all that it has going for it. No disrespect intended, (you sound fairly new to sims) but you have yet to be struck between the eyes by a real sim. BTW Nascar 2 is pretty good....or was in it's day :-) -- Mark Seery GPML league director http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/mark.seery/ > I just bought "Official Formula 1 racing " by EIDOS > I've got a p-150 32 meg of ram and a 3dfx card (the old one) and it runs > great on my machine. It is the best F1 game I've seen. The graphics are > great, you can race from almost any view (the***pit view is real hard > IMHO) The physics of the engine are forgiving in the beginner mode but very > hard in the expert mode. I have heard the same can't be said for GPL. I > don't have GPL bcause I don't think it will run on my machine. > Nascar 2 is also an excellent game IMHO. > jp

MTM2 isn't Midtown Madness. It's Monster Truck Madness 2. And, he is right. It's fun and has great graphics. -Larry

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> being that he said he wasdn't interested in arcade games, I don't thing > Miudtown madness applies at all. > >> I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an > >> actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with > >> less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore > >> various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a > >> simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a > >> racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much > >> appreciated. > >> Thanks, > >> Anthony > >If you want a fun driving experiance with gorgeous graphics.... get MTM2.If > >you want a real serious, swap your life racing sim... got to be ..... GPL. > >Dave Hawnt

I can't quite agree here. Yep I've played GPL. I prefer GP2 over it. I think that is maybe more due to me having grown up with Grand Prix since old Amiga days. However, I have had a play of Eido's OF1R. Ultimately you can't compare them. Graphically OF1R is better than others, and surprisingly good on low end machines. OF1R is however no where near as involving as a simulator should be. Very few options in car setups. But, it's still fun playing several players. So, I think OF1R stands up well, but is maybe in a different league, and has a different target audience to say GP2 or GPL.

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> I can only say to you my friend, wait till you get a new machine and try > GPL. The game you are talking about is pretty to look at but that is about > all that it has going for it. No disrespect intended, (you sound fairly new > to sims) but you have yet to be struck between the eyes by a real sim. > BTW Nascar 2 is pretty good....or was in it's day :-) > -- > Mark Seery > GPML league director > http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/mark.seery/ > > I just bought "Official Formula 1 racing " by EIDOS > > I've got a p-150 32 meg of ram and a 3dfx card (the old one) and it runs > > great on my machine. It is the best F1 game I've seen. The graphics are > > great, you can race from almost any view (the***pit view is real hard > > IMHO) The physics of the engine are forgiving in the beginner mode but > very > > hard in the expert mode. I have heard the same can't be said for GPL. I > > don't have GPL bcause I don't think it will run on my machine. > > Nascar 2 is also an excellent game IMHO. > > jp > > >I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an > > >actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with > > >less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore > > >various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a > > >simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a > > >racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much > > >appreciated. > > >Thanks, > > >Anthony

If you guys liked GPL, i don't understand why no one mentioned Monaco Grand Prix Racing 2 or its predecessor F1 Racing Simulation both from Ubi Soft. Great Physics and force feedback to boot. -- -Jae Il "Joker" Ko . . . > On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:00:08 +0100, "Anthony E. Strozyk" > >I was curious if someone might be able to offer some suggestions on an > >actual driving simulation, as opposed to an arcade style game...with > >less of an emphasis perhaps on racing, and more on being able to explore > >various environments in a car. I'm actually not even sure such a > >simulation exists; if not, then if someone might be able to suggest a > >racing game that has the most simulation aspects, it would be much > >appreciated. > What sort of racing are you looking for? > If it's oval racing, I'd recommend Nascar Racing 2, which is available > for around 9 these days. You can also download a 3Dfx patch for it, > if you don't have a Rendition card. > If you're looking for the most challenging _pure_ simulator available, > plus high speed, close action and excellent multiplayer races, buy GPL > (Grand Prix Legends). It is without a doubt in my mind, the best > racing simulator we've seen yet. > Nascar 3 looked promising, but by removing the GPL physics engine, > they've taken away some of the hype. > In both GPL and N2 you'll be tweaking the car for each race and track > every time you race - more so in GPL. > The Excelsior > "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." > Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

What part of this didn't you understand? Just a hunch, but monaco grand prix RACING 2 and F1 RACING simulation *probably* have an emphasis on RACING, eh? What 'various environments' can you explore in these sims? all that besides the fact the thread ended 3 weeks ago....

you are aptly named [snip]>i don't understand why no one mentioned Monaco Grand

Hehehe... I won't even bother to answer this, it would be too easy. But nice joke ;-) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."