Brands Hatch - Wow! - Thanks Dave!

If you don't have it, you should! Dave Noonan as created a real masterpiece for the GPL world. It is F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! Drive the legendary Brands Hatch today! Get it at www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html. Thanks for this gem, Dave! Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

jack, shouldnt you be saving the planet? and preparing gpal? Ok so you are allowed a break for a spot of good old racing! whats your fastest so far? i can manage a 1.46.56 and thats not exactly pushing it (i had my baby sister on my lap and she's learnt how to change gear, usually between 5 and 4th when im on straights!) i thought wow! and screamed it too as i flew into the barreers! dave do you want to make me oulton park? jay

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> If you don't have it, you should! > Dave Noonan as created a real masterpiece for the GPL world. It is > F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! > Drive the legendary Brands Hatch today! Get it at > www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html. > Thanks for this gem, Dave! > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

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>If you don't have it, you should! >Dave Noonan as created a real masterpiece for the GPL world. It is >F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! >Drive the legendary Brands Hatch today! Get it at >www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html. >Thanks for this gem, Dave! >Jack Rambo >www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Downloading it now... How long until we really start seeing a whole load of new tracks, I wonder? The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

Just tried it. did 144 with ferrari on full tanks after 8 laps, (forgot to readjust fuel) The track is FANTASTIC. Many many thanks Dave Tony

Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Sim Racing Mag http://www.simracingmag.com/ Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

Michael I never expected a reply like this from you!! Does it matter how many as long as the posts have some value? If some do not so what!! I have seen many names that seem to post endlessly! Most of the posts had never had anything do with this <ng>. Wouldn't you think this question would have been more productive if sent it directly to postee? Just a thought. Cheers Thom_j.

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> Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break > all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? > -- > ========================================= > Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? > ========================================= > Member of R.O.R. 1999 > http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html > ========================================= > Racing online with the help of...... > Sim Racing Mag > http://www.simracingmag.com/ > Race Communications Association > http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html > Holodyne Engineering > Mystic Music > (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

>The track is FANTASTIC. >Many many thanks Dave No kidding! What a hilly, bumpy, technical little beast he's given us. It's the junior 'Ring! And the AI are TOUGH. After about 10 laps guessing out a setup and a 30 minute practice for a pro-short race, I was 14TH(!) on the grid with a 1:38.3, while the top nine were in the 35's. Sheeesh! I haven't been that far OTB since.........well, in a while. It'll be interesting to see what turns out to be fast here. All the Brabham drivers will love this one, though; it's got to be TOAD heaven. I nominate Dave Noonan King for the Day! Can I get a second? Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

No... You read my post wrong, or I wrote it wrong. It's just that I'm seeing his name way too much is all. Some of his posts are good and some are "iffy". I'm not saying that he should NOT post nor am I saying anything against him. I'm just wondering who he is. During the last week or more he has posted a re-post for almost each and every post on this NG. I see way to much of him so I'm wondering who he is. I did for a while post a lot as well. Once I saw the specs on who posted haw many times and my name was #2 (If I remember right) I slowed my frequency of posts. So, I'm not saying anything against him because I did the same thing. what I am after is... just who the heck is he?

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> Michael I never expected a reply like this from you!! > Does it matter how many as long as the posts have some > value? If some do not so what!! I have seen many names > that seem to post endlessly! Most of the posts had never > had anything do with this <ng>. > Wouldn't you think this question would have been more > productive if sent it directly to postee? Just a thought. > Cheers Thom_j. > > Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break > > all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? > > -- > > ========================================= > > Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? > > ========================================= > > Member of R.O.R. 1999 > > http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html > > ========================================= > > Racing online with the help of...... > > Sim Racing Mag > > http://www.simracingmag.com/ > > Race Communications Association > > http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html > > Holodyne Engineering > > Mystic Music > > (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

-- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Sim Racing Mag http://www.simracingmag.com/ Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

Hello Michael; I understand better now Michael. I wasn't trying to challenge you or anything I was just a bit taken back with the comment. Maybe I mis-understood your first questioned post? Sorry Bout Dat!! Also I still would send him an email directly. He will answer who he is.. He is quite an interesting person and funny too! Anyway I didnt mean to make waves Michael!! Cheers Thom_j.

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> No... You read my post wrong, or I wrote it wrong. It's just that I'm > seeing his name way too much is all. Some of his posts are good and > some are "iffy". I'm not saying that he should NOT post nor am I saying > anything against him. I'm just wondering who he is. During the last > week or more he has posted a re-post for almost each and every post on > this NG. I see way to much of him so I'm wondering who he is. > I did for a while post a lot as well. Once I saw the specs on who > posted haw many times and my name was #2 (If I remember right) I slowed > my frequency of posts. So, I'm not saying anything against him because > I did the same thing. what I am after is... just who the heck is he? > > Michael I never expected a reply like this from you!! > > Does it matter how many as long as the posts have some > > value? If some do not so what!! I have seen many names > > that seem to post endlessly! Most of the posts had never > > had anything do with this <ng>. > > Wouldn't you think this question would have been more > > productive if sent it directly to postee? Just a thought. > > Cheers Thom_j. > > > Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break > > > all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? > > > -- > > > ========================================= > > > Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? > > > ========================================= > > > Member of R.O.R. 1999 > > > http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html > > > ========================================= > > > Racing online with the help of...... > > > Sim Racing Mag > > > http://www.simracingmag.com/ > > > Race Communications Association > > > http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html > > > Holodyne Engineering > > > Mystic Music > > > (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) > -- > ========================================= > Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? > ========================================= > Member of R.O.R. 1999 > http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html > ========================================= > Racing online with the help of...... > Sim Racing Mag > http://www.simracingmag.com/ > Race Communications Association > http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html > Holodyne Engineering > Mystic Music > (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

Well, I'm down to 1:42.9 so far in a Ferrari with a Silverstone setup. I spun on that lap almost too! Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

> Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break >all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? Michael, By power of deduction (along with a little help from the header fields) I suspect that our enthusiastic friend 'Excelsior' is none other than last months over-enthusiastic poster 'Griffin, the Slayer'. Griffin started to annoy me with the volume and general pointlessness of his posts so I plonked him. I think I remember rrevved and maybe some others doing the same. Now, although I've been lurking here since GP2 came out, I very rarely post so I guess I'm in no position to criticise, however, Excelsior's attempts at setup advice in the thread 'Ferrari setups for GPL...HELP' had me laughing my***off. I don't mean to be unkind to Excelsior and wasn't going to post this, but when I saw your post I just couldn't resist. Mike email = A & B & C & D

Well, since Michael jumped in and asked his question, here's what I want to know ... the end quote you use in your posts, Excelsior, who said that first? That is, before Shattner/Capt. Kirk?

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> Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break >all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? >-- >========================================= >Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? >========================================= >Member of R.O.R. 1999 >http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html >========================================= >Racing online with the help of...... >Sim Racing Mag >http://www.simracingmag.com/ >Race Communications Association >http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html >Holodyne Engineering >Mystic Music >(have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

And a third and fourth <G> Carried unanimously. Thanks Dave. all my birthdays have come at once. At last I can race at home :-) Mark

sssshhhhhh, does it really matter, you don't HAVE to read his posts, or HAVE to reply to them.... it's the old problem.... "I don't like what's on TV - but i aint changing channel" -- Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________ > > Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break > >all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? > Michael, > By power of deduction (along with a little help from the header > fields) I suspect that our enthusiastic friend 'Excelsior' is none > other than last months over-enthusiastic poster 'Griffin, the Slayer'. > Griffin started to annoy me with the volume and general pointlessness > of his posts so I plonked him. I think I remember rrevved and maybe > some others doing the same. > Now, although I've been lurking here since GP2 came out, I very rarely > post so I guess I'm in no position to criticise, however, Excelsior's > attempts at setup advice in the thread 'Ferrari setups for GPL...HELP' > had me laughing my***off. > I don't mean to be unkind to Excelsior and wasn't going to post this, > but when I saw your post I just couldn't resist. > Mike > email = A & B & C & D

Thankyou Dave, your work is very much appreciated by all. I did 1:42.00 on my first lap (i had track knowledge), i'm now down to 1:39.61 using default setup (honda) with reduced fuel. -- Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:40:47 -0400, Michael Barlow

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He's the guy from the Anti-Brake Light League who comes here to annoy us! <G> ;-) -- JB

Great !! Its my birthday today(18th) thanks a lot Ross

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>Thankyou Dave, your work is very much appreciated by all. >I did 1:42.00 on my first lap (i had track knowledge), i'm now down to >1:39.61 using default setup (honda) with reduced fuel. >-- >Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley >________________________________________________ > Tim Wheatley > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > http://start.at/igps_stats > IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar >________________________________________________

Ok Mark; I will certainly offer a second, a third and fourth! Job well done Dave Noonan! As you see your work's more then apprecited! Cheers Thom_j.

My birthday on 21st

Holly Crapolli Batman look how old Tim is now!!! "Happy Birthday to Timmy Happy Birthday to You!!" "Now blow all the candles out Timbo!!" ;O).. Cheers Mate From Thom_j.

Thanks for this amazing track, Dave! Wonder if my PRC spec race participants would want me to add it to the track list. Hehe. It is a tough track -- but thats how I like it :D Keep up the good work! Jason.

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> Dave Noonan as created a real masterpiece for the GPL world. It is > F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! > Thanks for this gem, Dave! > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

-- Jason Monds theCLAPPER in Kali "Go PRO or go home" http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/ - My combined gas/brake setups (Remove 'no spork' when replying)

ditto.

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:40:47 -0400, Michael Barlow > Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break >all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? Here I am! First of all, you're only complaining because I asked you to switch off your damned HTML, which I am completely right to do so. I have explained why to you in another post. Second, I spend a lot of time on RAS, and reply to many messages, for two reasons: * Simulators are a _big_ part of my life, and I am pretty darn good at them. * People come to RAS to discuss simulators, and to often ask for help in them. If I can lend it to them, I will. If I were writing endless messages of complete tosh, with very little point to them, by all means I would actually be encouraging people to add me to their kill-file. HOWEVER, I do not do this. I only write things if believe they are appropriate and correct, and if it hasn't already been said. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:09:41 -0400, Michael Barlow > No... You read my post wrong, or I wrote it wrong. It's just that I'm >seeing his name way too much is all. How much is _way too much_? Is there a difference between lots of different people on RAS, as long as they're all making sense and behaving, or just one who is doing the same? What has been _iffy_ about any of my posts? _Almost each and every post on this NG_, I think not! I usually find a few threads which I like, and continue the discussion until it ends, tis' all. But if you actually compare my number of messages with the number of messages on RAS, there is no comparision - it's THAT small. But there will ALWAYS be somebody who posts the 2nd largest amount of messages in a group this common. Always... The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

<fx:> Sound of Graeme Nash finding the new meaning of life! Brands for GPL!!! </fx> -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 ________________________________________________________________________________ "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" (Calvin & Hobbes)

So that would also make him "Phoenix, the magician", and "Starfleet Command".... then? What's next? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 ________________________________________________________________________________ "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" (Calvin & Hobbes)

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>Hello Michael; >I understand better now Michael. I wasn't trying to challenge you >or anything I was just a bit taken back with the comment. Maybe >I mis-understood your first questioned post? Sorry Bout Dat!! >Also I still would send him an email directly. He will answer who >he is.. He is quite an interesting person and funny too! Anyway I >didnt mean to make waves Michael!! Cheers Thom_j.

When I first saw Michaels original message, I thought he was trying to be rude, so my reply wasn't very polite either. Sorry about that. But if he would have made it a little clearer it would have made it easier to understand his intentions The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

I am not Griffin the Slayer. The Excelsior is the only other alias I use, besides my default e-mail address, which I never use for Usenet. I haven't been around long enough to see many messages from him, and I can't see any recent threads which have been written by him. However I have checked up on him in Deja and see that while he replies to a great deal, he is still not me, and we both reply to very different sorts of things. I reply to threads which are of interest to me, and not because they're there. A woman with a name like Mike? Anybody else confused? Which is fair enough, and I am not insulted by it, however I would say (and if there is a way I can assure you of this, please let me know) that I do not use any other account other than this one and my default, as I said above. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

>He's the guy from the Anti-Brake Light League who comes here to annoy >us! <G> Will please _please_ stop accusing me of people something I am not! First it was this Griffin guy, and now it's somebody from a League which I have not even heard of before! The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:05:25 -0400, "Kurt Steinbock" >Well, since Michael jumped in and asked his question, here's what I want to >know ... the end quote you use in your posts, Excelsior, who said that >first? That is, before Shattner/Capt. Kirk? Peter Pan, of course. :-) However, Kirk says it better... ;-) The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

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>>By power of deduction (along with a little help from the header >>fields) I suspect that our enthusiastic friend 'Excelsior' is none >>other than last months over-enthusiastic poster 'Griffin, the Slayer'. >So that would also make him "Phoenix, the magician", and "Starfleet >Command".... then? >What's next?

This is getting completely out of hand... The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

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> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:40:47 -0400, Michael Barlow > > Just who the heck is this Excelsior guy anyhow? Is he trying to break > >all records regarding the number of posts written to a news group? > Here I am! > First of all, you're only complaining because I asked you to switch > off your damned HTML, which I am completely right to do so. I have > explained why to you in another post.

!!Please let me shoot him!! That's not why I'm complaining. In fact, I wasn't complaining. I was asking. -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Sim Racing Mag http://www.simracingmag.com/ Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

hehe - how nice :))

On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:16:31 -0400, Michael Barlow > !!Please let me shoot him!! Shoot ME because you're doing something against the common curtisy rules on Usenet? It's not my fault if you don't know the rules, mate. As both Thom J and I said, we understand that now, but we didn't at the beginning. You're obviously getting annoyed about my asking you not to use HTML, so I'll stop, as I find it best not to start a flaming war. Okay? The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

> > Thanks for this gem, Dave! > ditto. Yeah... me too! ;-)) It's not my birthday... but it feels like it, great stuff! Dave Hawnt UK-GPL

[To supplement what you've pointed out so effectively, Mike] In another thread, The Excelsior [I can't even take *myself* too seriously when I type that] complained... "Michael! You're still writing in HTML!!!" My response to Excelsior: Excelsior! You're still writing, and writing, and writing, and writing... Do yourself (and RAS) a favor and go outside and get some fresh air. Then when you've had ample opportunity to enjoy some of the many wonderful things the external world has to offer, come back and make some *MEANINGFUL* contributions to RAS. Consider this: 1. If everyone posted with your frequency, it would be extremely difficult for all RAS readers to unearth the meaningful information we all seek. 2. When you were posting under the name "Griffin The Slayer" (which is quite clear despite your earlier claim that your "friend" Griffin had a PC with *360* MB of RAM) I made the following comment to you: "And by the way, and I say this in a well-meaning way, newsgroups are like race tracks. It pays to take it easy and get familiar with the course before you go tearing around at breakneck speed." You seemed to be a little befuddled by my comment at the time. I was simply encouraging you to go slowly until you were better able to recognize your level of expertise, the expertise of others, and the value (or lack thereof) of your contributions. 3. Intermittently changing your name detracts from your credibility. Credibility is an important asset that we all value...both our own and that of others. In addition to the information presented by Mike Armstrong, consider this posting history: The Excelsior 6/5/99-6/18/99 260 Posts # Forum 151 rec.autos.simulators 29 alt.startrek.vs.starwars 20 alt.games.unreal 14 alt.computer 7 alt.music.queen 7 alt.tv.knight-rider 5 alt.movies.kubrick 5 alt.windows98 4 alt.publish.books 3 24hoursupport.helpdesk 3 alt.html 3 alt.movies.jackie-chan 1 alt.comp 1 alt.comp.software.tools 1 alt.fan.nicole-kidman 1 alt.games.microprose.falcon 1 alt.msdos 1 alt.music.bare***-ladies 1 alt.sex.***.startrek 1 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action 1 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim Starfleet Commander 36 Posts 6/5/99-6/18/99 10 rec.autos.simulators 6 alt.windows98 4 alt.computer 4 alt.startrek.vs.starwars 4 alt.tv.knight-rider 2 alt.iomega.zip.jazz 2 comp.periphs.scsi 1 alt.games.microprose.falcon 1 alt.games.unreal 1 alt.tv.real-world 1 alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent Griffin The Slayer 5/18/99 - 5/24/99 134 Posts 107 rec.autos.simulators 4 alt.internet.providers.uk.free 3 alt.comp.shareware 3 microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress 2 3dfx.products.voodoo2 2 alt.computer 2 alt.games 2 alt.icq 2 alt.music.bare***-ladies 2 alt.windows98 2 comp.sys.laptops 1 alt.sys.pc-clone.dell 1 microsoft.public.win98.performance 1 rec.autos.driving Far too many common themes to be coincidental, in my opinion. 4. Placing you in a killfile is not the desirable alternative, as you surely have significant contributions to offer. Again, these comments are offered with good intentions. If you more carefully consider the value of your contributions, you'll be doing yourself and RAS a real service. Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

If I remember correctly, he is simply a new guy and is like a kid with a new toy. I remember being the same myself. Of course, after a while it's a matter of "I've said it all before" or "I've seen it all before". Leave him alone :) And btw, who cares how many posts you've made or if your #2 or whatever? If you've got something to say, say it!

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> No... You read my post wrong, or I wrote it wrong. It's just that I'm > seeing his name way too much is all. Some of his posts are good and > some are "iffy". I'm not saying that he should NOT post nor am I saying > anything against him. I'm just wondering who he is. During the last > week or more he has posted a re-post for almost each and every post on > this NG. I see way to much of him so I'm wondering who he is. > I did for a while post a lot as well. Once I saw the specs on who > posted haw many times and my name was #2 (If I remember right) I slowed > my frequency of posts. So, I'm not saying anything against him because > I did the same thing. what I am after is... just who the heck is he?

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>On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:38:10 +0100, Graeme Nash >>>By power of deduction (along with a little help from the header >>>fields) I suspect that our enthusiastic friend 'Excelsior' is none >>>other than last months over-enthusiastic poster 'Griffin, the Slayer'. >>So that would also make him "Phoenix, the magician", and "Starfleet >>Command".... then? >>What's next? >This is getting completely out of hand...

It's your own doing. (see next sub-thread)

</Un-lurk mode engaged> OK then Excelsior, first the similarities (and you asked for this) 1. Hotmail account every time (speaks volumes), 2. Excelsior, Griffin, Phoenix (Starfleet commander being the exception) subject matter, 3. UK based UUnet posting host, 4. ICQ No (with # sign) 4. (I repeat) repetitive pointless posts. I can't prove that you are either 'Phoenix, the Magician' or 'Griffin, the Slayer' however, anyone with a little intelligence can see that the similarities in subject matter and header content link you irrefutably. Excelsior, I hate to do this but have a look at the following two headers, from a post you followed up to yourself in the recent thread 'Nascar using GPL Physics.'. I especially draw your attention to the Path start point, the 'NNTP-Posting-Host' and also the 'X-Trace:' IP address:

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>Path: read0.netcom.net.uk!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail >Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators >Subject: Re: Nascar using GPL Physics. >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:06:03 GMT >Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom >Lines: 25 >NNTP-Posting-Host: userl781.uk.uudial.com >X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 927583409 12963 193.149.76.86 (24 May 1999 22:03:29 GMT) >NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 22:03:29 GMT >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 >Xref: read0.netcom.net.uk rec.autos.simulators:178832 >>I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as satisfying

<snip> >Phoenix >"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" > ICQ# 39578846 Follow up message:

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>Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators >Subject: Re: Nascar using GPL Physics. >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:18:11 GMT >Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom >Lines: 35 >NNTP-Posting-Host: userl781.uk.uudial.com >X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 927584137 12963 193.149.76.86 (24 May 1999 22:15:37 GMT) >NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 22:15:37 GMT >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 >Xref: read0.netcom.net.uk rec.autos.simulators:178834

<snip> >Griffin, why are you still copying my name and signature? >Phoenix >"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" > ICQ# 39578846 Man, Griffin/Phoenix, look at the headers, even a two-year-old could see you're one and the same Last time I looked, blokes also had tits, only much flatter. The only way you can prove to me that you have nothing to do with Griffin, Phoenix and 'Starfleet Command' is to stop posting 'Yes I agree with that' type messages to everything that you agree with (it's called thinking before you speak). </back to lurking>

If I agree, why shouldn't I say so? And how this will prove to anybody that I am not Griffin/any-of-the-others, I don't know. As for Hotmail, there were more than 1,000,000 users of Hotmail last year, a huge number of those were from the UK. So I'm afraid that really can't say much for your Hotmail argument. Anyways, I have had plenty of time on my hands in recent weeks, but will be starting a new job on Sunday, which will leave me less time for RAS. It's sad, but it's true. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

Which is fair enough, and much appreciated. Same as above. I still tell you that since I bought this computer (I use it for little else other than Usenet, E-mail and the internet), second hand, a few weeks/couple of months (?) ago, I only been using The Excelsior as an alias, and have not used any before that. It's not my place to try to convince anybody else of this, so I won't. However I can appreciate peoples request for me to post less, and I will be sure to cut down on them in the future, as my intention was never to insult or cause a flame war. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

>Sound of Graeme Nash finding the new meaning of life! Brands for GPL!!! You're not the only one... only Papyrus know how much I campaigned for Brands to feature in the boxed GPL... hopefully when they try Dave's track they'll now see why :) Mike.

Whatever his name is, he can post as much as he wants, and say what he wants, regardless of whether he he is the most knowledgable, or least, sim enthusiasist at r.a.s. If yo0u don't like what he has to say, put him in your killfile. Then you won't need to make lecturing,condescending, posts to him anymore. I also don't see the point in going through someone's newsgroup posting history and publishing it here for all to see. David G Fisher > Again, these comments are offered with good intentions. If you more > carefully consider the value of your contributions, you'll be doing yourself > and RAS a real service. > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

You have a point...actually he really can help someone in GPL and should not be "pressured" just because he is only trying to do some good, even if he does it so much and use different names. David G Fisher kirjoitti viestiss?

So far I've been able to do a 1:36.12 in my Brabham, but I must confess to driving the Lotus once to a 1:35.3x. I'm not sure if it will really be possible to make it into the 1:30's like Dave said the true GP cars were doing back then. Five seconds is an awful lot of time to make up... If it is possible, though, I'm sure WW will find a way. :) -Chris- ---Two wheels are better ---Proud owner of a 1998 ZX-9R Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.