Aussie V8's

Hey Folks, I emailed Torus for some info on their upcoming*** Johnson V8 Challenge that should be coming out soon. I received a very prompt response which was nice. Have a read Wolf, More details on the DJ V8 Challenge will be posted n the site towards the end of this month. The game will have the new AU and VT model Falcon's and Commodores. Regards,

But why would you want to drive those things. Remember when they changed the class some years ago to allow european entries and the Ford Sierra etc ran rings round the V8s. They quickly changed it back to exclude them. They are American wallowing muscle. > Hey Folks, > I emailed Torus for some info on their upcoming*** Johnson

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> V8 Challenge that should be coming out soon. I received a very prompt > response which was nice. Have a read > Wolf, > More details on the DJ V8 Challenge will be posted n the site towards the > end of this month. > The game will have the new AU and VT model Falcon's and Commodores. > Regards,

Oh no! An escapee from aus.cars where the V8 v others thread has been done to death many times :-( >But why would you want to drive those things. Remember when they changed the

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>class some years ago to allow european entries and the Ford Sierra etc ran >rings round the V8s. They quickly changed it back to exclude them. They are >American wallowing muscle. >> Hey Folks, >> I emailed Torus for some info on their upcoming*** >Johnson >> V8 Challenge that should be coming out soon. I received a very prompt >> response which was nice. Have a read >> Wolf, >> More details on the DJ V8 Challenge will be posted n the site towards the >> end of this month. >> The game will have the new AU and VT model Falcon's and Commodores. >> Regards,

Not true- those were group A touring car days of the 80's. (grand days....) Actually i'd love a sim of the onyl ever World Touring car championship of the mid 80's/// can you imagine that ?? :) Z. Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

> But why would you want to drive those things. Remember when they changed the > class some years ago to allow european entries and the Ford Sierra etc ran > rings round the V8s. They quickly changed it back to exclude them. They are > American wallowing muscle. V8? Yummy! Wussy Cosworths are sooo daft! Besides, every 18-year old here has got one now.... Matt

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> > Hey Folks, > > I emailed Torus for some info on their upcoming*** > Johnson > > V8 Challenge that should be coming out soon. I received a very prompt > > response which was nice. Have a read > > Wolf, > > More details on the DJ V8 Challenge will be posted n the site towards the > > end of this month. > > The game will have the new AU and VT model Falcon's and Commodores. > > Regards,

-- Matthew Birger Knutsen Cheek Racing Cars [link lost in import]

> V8? Yummy! > Wussy Cosworths are sooo daft! Besides, every 18-year old here has got one > now.... I love Aussie V8's, I love any form of touring cars, but Aussie V8's are something special, they're just so mad, lots of power, not too much grip, fun .-) -- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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> > V8? Yummy! > > Wussy Cosworths are sooo daft! Besides, every 18-year old here has got one > > now.... > I love Aussie V8's, I love any form of touring cars, but Aussie V8's are > something special, they're just so mad, lots of power, not too much > grip, fun .-)

Right on Goy! A small block V8 and a s/c gearbox, music..... :-) Matt -- Matthew Birger Knutsen Cheek Racing Cars http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a little bit different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and at Spa in one of these "wallowing" V8s. They are some of the most exciting cars to watch in the world and probably one of the hardest to race.

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> But why would you want to drive those things. Remember when they changed the > class some years ago to allow european entries and the Ford Sierra etc ran > rings round the V8s. They quickly changed it back to exclude them. They are > American wallowing muscle. > > Hey Folks, > > I emailed Torus for some info on their upcoming*** > Johnson > > V8 Challenge that should be coming out soon. I received a very prompt > > response which was nice. Have a read > > Wolf, > > More details on the DJ V8 Challenge will be posted n the site towards the > > end of this month. > > The game will have the new AU and VT model Falcon's and Commodores. > > Regards,

No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. As for Spa, the only thing I can think of is the 24Hr ***, which saw them win the Kings Cup for Teams, but the highest placed Commodore was 22nd. Group A Commodores had much more than 350hp, they were more around 400-450 in the initial stages, heading up to 550 by the time Group A ended. The cars now have up to around 620hp, but are much more smooth and drivable thanks to the Fuel Injection systems they run. -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a little bit >>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted >>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and at Spa in >>one of these "wallowing" V8s. >No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from >Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the race) when you cheat :-)

On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:41:22 +1000, "Jeff Sharpe" >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the >race) when you cheat :-) And you omitted the fact that the only illegality was the wheelarches. They were trimmed more than they should have. The advantage was there, but it was not used, they COULD have used wider tyres and gained even more speed. They didn't. I'm not defending their actions, in fact it was ***y stupid of whoever did the mod not to have checked. But the fact remains, with or without the "cheat", they were far and away the faster car. They were turning 2:21s in the rain while Brock slithered about in 2:25 -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

Thanks for the history lesson. I now they were doing well at SPA before something broke!. As for the Sierras trouncing everyone....bending the rules is usually done to make you faster than the opposition! First past the line means nothing if you have bent the rules. Brocky won because his was the first car meeting the Group A regs at the end of the race. I would love to see Group C type regs back in Australia. I loved the Camaro's, BMW's and other ***s they use to race back in the good old days Should be interesting to see how they have modelled Sandown in the game. The first corner has always been a favorite viewing location over the years.

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> >Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a little bit > >different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted > >Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and at Spa in > >one of these "wallowing" V8s. > No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from > Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. > As for Spa, the only thing I can think of is the 24Hr ***, which > saw them win the Kings Cup for Teams, but the highest placed Commodore > was 22nd. > Group A Commodores had much more than 350hp, they were more around > 400-450 in the initial stages, heading up to 550 by the time Group A > ended. The cars now have up to around 620hp, but are much more smooth > and drivable thanks to the Fuel Injection systems they run. > -- > Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors > - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - > - V8Supercars - CART -

Wasn't Brockies effort in the rain one of the most brilliant pieces of driving you have ever seen! Perhaps he would of done 2:21's if he fitted his polarizer!

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> On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:41:22 +1000, "Jeff Sharpe" > >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. > >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the > >race) when you cheat :-) > And you omitted the fact that the only illegality was the wheelarches. > They were trimmed more than they should have. The advantage was there, > but it was not used, they COULD have used wider tyres and gained even > more speed. They didn't. I'm not defending their actions, in fact it > was ***y stupid of whoever did the mod not to have checked. But the > fact remains, with or without the "cheat", they were far and away the > faster car. They were turning 2:21s in the rain while Brock slithered > about in 2:25 > -- > Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors > - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - > - V8Supercars - CART -

I seem to remember that they claimed it gave them no advantage, but others claimed that it did give them an advantage. Obviously the powers that be deemed it was serious enough to exclude them. The only fact I'll stand by is that they were excluded for cheating regardless of if there was any advantage or not. My memories of the race are how *** the Texaco Sierras were compared to the other teams running Sierras and how well the Aust teams did against the rest of the world. The worst memory of that race is getting soaked to the bone and having to spend four hours soaking wet in a car on the way home. I have no argument with the fact that the Sierras were the *** car of that period (untill Godzilla came along) after all even Brocky drove one. >On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:41:22 +1000, "Jeff Sharpe" >>You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. >>It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the

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>>race) when you cheat :-) >And you omitted the fact that the only illegality was the wheelarches. >They were trimmed more than they should have. The advantage was there, >but it was not used, they COULD have used wider tyres and gained even >more speed. They didn't. I'm not defending their actions, in fact it >was ***y stupid of whoever did the mod not to have checked. But the >fact remains, with or without the "cheat", they were far and away the >faster car. They were turning 2:21s in the rain while Brock slithered >about in 2:25 >-- >Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors > - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - > - V8Supercars - CART -

The facts were... Some Sierra's were nearly two laps in front of the rest of the field, except for the Texaco Sierra's that were four laps ahead... at half distance. The 'powers that be' tried to exclude them for fuel irregularities, but couldn't so changed tack to draw attention to the wider wheel arches the Sierra's had been running since the 3rd meeting (Bathurst was the tenth meeting on the championship). C'mon admit it; the 'real' problem was that Brocky was not driving the quickest car (Sierra), and what made it worse was it was a FORD that was too quick for the rest! :)) -- Rob. >>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a >little bit >>>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted >>>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and at >Spa in >>>one of these "wallowing" V8s. >>No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from >>Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the >race) when you cheat :-)

I just wish all the bickering between different classes would stop. If someone sat everyone down and thashed out a decent plan, then we'd have 2 major championships running, both well supported, and even more young drivers coming through the ranks...but enough of my rant..... I won't be putting too much faith into the new game, and will adopt a wait and see attitude. Aussie racing games seem to suck historically speaking (aside from Powerslide, but its more arcade, but a damned fine drive anyway). If they have modelled the Oran Park short circuit I am going to spew (its hellishly boring to drive) -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

Ahhh, I could smell, I mean tell, that you were a Ford groupie.

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> The facts were... Some Sierra's were nearly two laps in front of the rest > of the field, except for the Texaco Sierra's that were four laps ahead... at > half distance. The 'powers that be' tried to exclude them for fuel > irregularities, but couldn't so changed tack to draw attention to the wider > wheel arches the Sierra's had been running since the 3rd meeting (Bathurst > was the tenth meeting on the championship). > C'mon admit it; the 'real' problem was that Brocky was not driving the > quickest car (Sierra), and what made it worse was it was a FORD that was too > quick for the rest! :)) > -- > Rob. > >>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a > >little bit > >>>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted > >>>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and at > >Spa in > >>>one of these "wallowing" V8s. > >>No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from > >>Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. > >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. > >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the > >race) when you cheat :-)

Me, a Ford Groupie?! My Dad would love to hear you say that. I blame it on him. He tried to turn me into a Ford fan, but I think I have bitterly disappointed him by driving 'Jap crap'. It hasn't stopped him from racing my 'hairdryer' WRX RA! :))) -- Rob. >Ahhh, I could smell, I mean tell, that you were a Ford groupie. >> The facts were... Some Sierra's were nearly two laps in front of the rest >> of the field, except for the Texaco Sierra's that were four laps ahead... at >> half distance. The 'powers that be' tried to exclude them for fuel >> irregularities, but couldn't so changed tack to draw attention to the wider >> wheel arches the Sierra's had been running since the 3rd meeting (Bathurst >> was the tenth meeting on the championship). >> C'mon admit it; the 'real' problem was that Brocky was not driving the >> quickest car (Sierra), and what made it worse was it was a FORD that was too >> quick for the rest! :)) >> -- >> Rob. >> >>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a >> >little bit >> >>>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted >> >>>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and at >> >Spa in >> >>>one of these "wallowing" V8s. >> >>No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from >> >>Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. >> >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. >> >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in the >> >race) when you cheat :-)

well we fail to mention godzilla Nissans GTR it would quite plain to see that it ate all before it, including those little pocket rockets Sierras , yes i know that there wern't to many seirras that it raced against but it did soundly thrash those it did and yes V8 super car racing is ***ing boring >Ahhh, I could smell, I mean tell, that you were a Ford groupie. >> The facts were... Some Sierra's were nearly two laps in front of the rest >> of the field, except for the Texaco Sierra's that were four laps ahead... at >> half distance. The 'powers that be' tried to exclude them for fuel >> irregularities, but couldn't so changed tack to draw attention to the wider >> wheel arches the Sierra's had been running since the 3rd meeting (Bathurst >> was the tenth meeting on the championship). >> C'mon admit it; the 'real' problem was that Brocky was not driving the >> quickest car (Sierra), and what made it worse was it was a FORD that was too

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>> quick for the rest! :)) >> -- >> Rob. >> >>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a >> >little bit >> >>>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted >> >>>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and

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>> >Spa in >> >>>one of these "wallowing" V8s. >> >>No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from >> >>Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. >> >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. >> >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in

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>well we fail to mention godzilla Nissans GTR it would quite plain to see >that it ate all before it, including those little pocket rockets >Sierras , yes i know that there wern't to many seirras that it raced against >but it did soundly thrash those it did and yes V8 super car racing is >***ing boring >>Ahhh, I could smell, I mean tell, that you were a Ford groupie.

Taking about GTR Nissans. I walked about 8 K's the other day while in Auckland NZ looking at R32 and R33 GTR Godzilla's ($35000 and $60000 respectfully). Awesome cars. The R32 is a realistic goal for me. When the morgage is done. Nigel -- Redline Race Controls http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/lakewood/Redline2.htm Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports Hamilton New Zealand

> Me, a Ford Groupie?! My Dad would love to hear you say that. I blame it on >him. He tried to turn me into a Ford fan, but I think I have bitterly >disappointed him by driving 'Jap crap'. It hasn't stopped him from racing my >'hairdryer' WRX RA! :))) >-- Yeah I disappointed my father inlaw when I bought a Jap import Nissan R32 GTS Skyline. He is adament I should have bought kiwi assembled stuff. But you get all the fruit ith imports for the same money. Oh and the VT Holden is much better looking car the that discusting AU Ford. Nigel -- Redline Race Controls http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/9045/ Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports Hamilton New Zealand

It's a thousand time more exciting that the Aussie Super Tourers or the F1. I must admit, the best racing at the Supercar events is in the GTP classes. Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Subaru WRX's etc. Magic stuff!

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> well we fail to mention godzilla Nissans GTR it would quite plain to see > that it ate all before it, including those little pocket rockets > Sierras , yes i know that there wern't to many seirras that it raced against > but it did soundly thrash those it did and yes V8 super car racing is > ***ing boring > >Ahhh, I could smell, I mean tell, that you were a Ford groupie. > >> The facts were... Some Sierra's were nearly two laps in front of the > rest > >> of the field, except for the Texaco Sierra's that were four laps ahead... > at > >> half distance. The 'powers that be' tried to exclude them for fuel > >> irregularities, but couldn't so changed tack to draw attention to the > wider > >> wheel arches the Sierra's had been running since the 3rd meeting > (Bathurst > >> was the tenth meeting on the championship). > >> C'mon admit it; the 'real' problem was that Brocky was not driving the > >> quickest car (Sierra), and what made it worse was it was a FORD that was > too > >> quick for the rest! :)) > >> -- > >> Rob. > >> >>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a > >> >little bit > >> >>>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted > >> >>>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and > at > >> >Spa in > >> >>>one of these "wallowing" V8s. > >> >>No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from > >> >>Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. > >> >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. > >> >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in > the > >> >race) when you cheat :-)

Typical Ford fan, too embarrased to admit in in public! Too bad the WRX STIs sold out so quick. Would of been a terrific "company" car!

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> Me, a Ford Groupie?! My Dad would love to hear you say that. I blame it on > him. He tried to turn me into a Ford fan, but I think I have bitterly > disappointed him by driving 'Jap crap'. It hasn't stopped him from racing my > 'hairdryer' WRX RA! :))) > -- > Rob. > >Ahhh, I could smell, I mean tell, that you were a Ford groupie. > >> The facts were... Some Sierra's were nearly two laps in front of the > rest > >> of the field, except for the Texaco Sierra's that were four laps ahead... > at > >> half distance. The 'powers that be' tried to exclude them for fuel > >> irregularities, but couldn't so changed tack to draw attention to the > wider > >> wheel arches the Sierra's had been running since the 3rd meeting > (Bathurst > >> was the tenth meeting on the championship). > >> C'mon admit it; the 'real' problem was that Brocky was not driving the > >> quickest car (Sierra), and what made it worse was it was a FORD that was > too > >> quick for the rest! :)) > >> -- > >> Rob. > >> >>>Ahhhh......I do believe the Class A specs you are talking about are a > >> >little bit > >> >>>different. Like 350HP compared to the current 600+ and very restricted > >> >>>Aerodynamics in Class A..And didn't Brocky beat them at Bathirst and > at > >> >Spa in > >> >>>one of these "wallowing" V8s. > >> >>No, he didn't beat them at all. The Sierras were excluded from > >> >>Bathurst, but they absolutely trounced every other car on the circuit. > >> >You omitted the reason they were excluded, it was for cheating. > >> >It's pretty easy to beat other cars (including all the other Sierras in > the > >> >race) when you cheat :-)