attn. papy... what kind of speed on Internet play for Nascar 2000?

Can we get some sort of word on how many opponents we can expect at certain Baud rates? I run at 31.2kbps (so much for 56k) and what about slightly slower and faster modems? Will we need a cable modem\ADSL to get a 44 care field going? Just wondering.

You certainly won't be the host.... Looking at GPL, which "should" be more hardware intensive and therefore the results for N2000 should be at least slightly better results. However with GPL via VROC the recomended # of players you could host would be about 4. so with N2000 I'd guess a # of 4-6 "MIGHT" be appropriate. BUT>>> If Sierra is doing the hosting via high speed access, then you might realistly expect a large # of participants. Frankly using the NROS model, the limit of 24 is RARELY reached in the free demo area. Most pickup races are from 5 to 15 drivers so the Magic 44 limit is almost a Moot point. About the only time this # would become a factor would be in a league situation where you have approximentally 44 or more drivers.(imagine not qualifying...) So I have to ask...why is getting 44 drivers important in an online race? 2nd...What modem do you have? Many companies have firmware upgrades that will increase your connect and throughput speeds. 3rd...If you have a winmodem, throw it away...now! 4th...Other than a consumer, I have NO connection with Papyrus so take EVERYTHING I say as merely guesswork. dave henrie - (gotta go..lightning storm moving in.) - On May 17, 1999 A Whale was killed off the coast of Washington State. The Whale was killed in the name of Tradition.....I say.... %&#& Tradition! >Can we get some sort of word on how many opponents we can expect at certain >Baud rates? >I run at 31.2kbps (so much for 56k) >and what about slightly slower and faster modems? Will we need a cable >modem\ADSL to get a 44 care field going? Just wondering.

I have a USR winmodem. Why should I throw it out? I'm not that concerned about it making me use windows, and it can't hurt my processer (450 P2) that much.

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> You certainly won't be the host.... >Looking at GPL, which "should" be more >hardware intensive and therefore the results >for N2000 should be at least slightly better >results. However with GPL via VROC the >recomended # of players you could host would >be about 4. so with N2000 I'd guess a # of 4-6 >"MIGHT" be appropriate. > BUT>>> If Sierra is doing the hosting via >high speed access, then you might realistly >expect a large # of participants. Frankly >using the NROS model, the limit of 24 is >RARELY reached in the free demo area. >Most pickup races are from 5 to 15 drivers >so the Magic 44 limit is almost a Moot point. > About the only time this # would become a >factor would be in a league situation where >you have approximentally 44 or more >drivers.(imagine not qualifying...) > So I have to ask...why is getting 44 drivers >important in an online race? 2nd...What >modem do you have? Many companies have >firmware upgrades that will increase your >connect and throughput speeds. 3rd...If >you have a winmodem, throw it away...now! >4th...Other than a consumer, I have NO >connection with Papyrus so take EVERYTHING >I say as merely guesswork. >dave henrie >- >(gotta go..lightning storm moving in.) >- > On May 17, 1999 A Whale was killed off the coast of >Washington State. The Whale was killed in the name of >Tradition.....I say.... > %&#& Tradition! >>Can we get some sort of word on how many opponents we can expect at

certain >>Baud rates? >>I run at 31.2kbps (so much for 56k) >>and what about slightly slower and faster modems? Will we need a cable >>modem\ADSL to get a 44 care field going? Just wondering.

>I have a USR winmodem. Why should I throw it out? I'm not that concerned >about it making me use windows, and it can't hurt my processer (450 P2) that >much. Winmodems eat clock cycles in the cpu AND the bus(I think) Allison Hind has a few good articles on modems on her website, I think she agrees that GPL is SO resource hungry that even just a few ticks drain on the cpu degrades online play. Now I'll restate that N2000 "should" be less cpu intensive than GPL but heck with 3d posisitonal sound, 16 bit graphics, etc it won't take much to bog down that shiny P2. I have a Diamond Supra Express. when I first got it, I only connected at 31.6 to 33 kbs. after the Firmware upgrade I get 48kbs about 95% of the time. If your focus is ONLINE ***,,,and by this I mean racing or Quake II or III or whatever,,,the winmodem is just that little be extra drag...plus it consumes large ammounts of system memory as I just now recalled....some users with 64 megs of ram were getting lots of lockups. after they upgraded to 128 the problems disappeared. dave henrie

how much did that Diamond Supra cost?

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>>I have a USR winmodem. Why should I throw it out? I'm not that concerned >>about it making me use windows, and it can't hurt my processer (450 P2) >that >>much. > Winmodems eat clock cycles in the cpu AND the bus(I think) >Allison Hind has a few good articles on modems on her website, >I think she agrees that GPL is SO resource hungry that even >just a few ticks drain on the cpu degrades online play. Now >I'll restate that N2000 "should" be less cpu intensive than >GPL but heck with 3d posisitonal sound, 16 bit graphics, >etc it won't take much to bog down that shiny P2. > I have a Diamond Supra Express. when I first got it, >I only connected at 31.6 to 33 kbs. after the Firmware >upgrade I get 48kbs about 95% of the time. > If your focus is ONLINE ***,,,and by this I mean >racing or Quake II or III or whatever,,,the winmodem is >just that little be extra drag...plus it consumes large ammounts >of system memory as I just now recalled....some users with >64 megs of ram were getting lots of lockups. after they >upgraded to 128 the problems disappeared. >dave henrie

ok so I took took your advise to heart and called my local Hardware place (you know a real one, not Staples :) ) andthey agreed with everything you said, but when they heard where I kived they said that my phone lines are so bad anyways that there wouldn't be an improvement. The good newws is that if I moive just across the water to canada I can geta 400k rogers cable hook up. :) and social health care. :)

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>>I have a USR winmodem. Why should I throw it out? I'm not that concerned >>about it making me use windows, and it can't hurt my processer (450 P2) >that >>much. > Winmodems eat clock cycles in the cpu AND the bus(I think) >Allison Hind has a few good articles on modems on her website, >I think she agrees that GPL is SO resource hungry that even >just a few ticks drain on the cpu degrades online play. Now >I'll restate that N2000 "should" be less cpu intensive than >GPL but heck with 3d posisitonal sound, 16 bit graphics, >etc it won't take much to bog down that shiny P2. > I have a Diamond Supra Express. when I first got it, >I only connected at 31.6 to 33 kbs. after the Firmware >upgrade I get 48kbs about 95% of the time. > If your focus is ONLINE ***,,,and by this I mean >racing or Quake II or III or whatever,,,the winmodem is >just that little be extra drag...plus it consumes large ammounts >of system memory as I just now recalled....some users with >64 megs of ram were getting lots of lockups. after they >upgraded to 128 the problems disappeared. >dave henrie

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> So I have to ask...why is getting 44 drivers > important in an online race? 2nd...What > modem do you have? Many companies have > firmware upgrades that will increase your > connect and throughput speeds. 3rd...If > you have a winmodem, throw it away...now! > 4th...Other than a consumer, I have NO > connection with Papyrus so take EVERYTHING > I say as merely guesswork. > dave henrie

Why 42/44 drivers? Because it is AWSOME. I have raced in many full 24 man fields, and racing with 42 people at C***te or Dega or Atlanta will be fantastic. Heck, even 35+ at Bristol will be unbelievable. Just this ONE little upgrade (going from 24 to 42) online racers will make this new game well worth the money. Note: The 42 player option PROBABLY will be either on a high powered Sierra or TEN/NROS server ONLY. Bill / Amish on TEN

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>> So I have to ask...why is getting 44 drivers >> important in an online race? 2nd...What >> modem do you have? Many companies have >> firmware upgrades that will increase your >> connect and throughput speeds. 3rd...If >> you have a winmodem, throw it away...now! >> 4th...Other than a consumer, I have NO >> connection with Papyrus so take EVERYTHING >> I say as merely guesswork. >> dave henrie >Why 42/44 drivers? Because it is AWSOME. I have raced in many full 24 >man fields, and racing with 42 people at C***te or Dega or Atlanta >will be fantastic. Heck, even 35+ at Bristol will be unbelievable. >Just this ONE little upgrade (going from 24 to 42) online racers will >make this new game well worth the money. >Note: The 42 player option PROBABLY will be either on a high powered >Sierra or TEN/NROS server ONLY. >Bill / Amish on TEN

With 40+ cars (hopefully still running) no matter what position you are in the race, you most likely have someone near you to race with. On TEN it's not uncommon to not have anyone in your mirrors, and only a hint of a lapper ahead of you.

A 44 Car Dega race on Ten. What a sight that would be to behold... A dent dent here, a dent dent there, here a dent there a dent every where a dent dent... Hehe -Larry

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> You certainly won't be the host.... > Looking at GPL, which "should" be more > hardware intensive and therefore the results > for N2000 should be at least slightly better > results. However with GPL via VROC the > recomended # of players you could host would > be about 4. so with N2000 I'd guess a # of 4-6 > "MIGHT" be appropriate. > BUT>>> If Sierra is doing the hosting via > high speed access, then you might realistly > expect a large # of participants. Frankly > using the NROS model, the limit of 24 is > RARELY reached in the free demo area. > Most pickup races are from 5 to 15 drivers > so the Magic 44 limit is almost a Moot point. > About the only time this # would become a > factor would be in a league situation where > you have approximentally 44 or more > drivers.(imagine not qualifying...) > So I have to ask...why is getting 44 drivers > important in an online race? 2nd...What > modem do you have? Many companies have > firmware upgrades that will increase your > connect and throughput speeds. 3rd...If > you have a winmodem, throw it away...now! > 4th...Other than a consumer, I have NO > connection with Papyrus so take EVERYTHING > I say as merely guesswork. > dave henrie > - > (gotta go..lightning storm moving in.) > - > On May 17, 1999 A Whale was killed off the coast of > Washington State. The Whale was killed in the name of > Tradition.....I say.... > %&#& Tradition! > >Can we get some sort of word on how many opponents we can expect at certain > >Baud rates? > >I run at 31.2kbps (so much for 56k) > >and what about slightly slower and faster modems? Will we need a cable > >modem\ADSL to get a 44 care field going? Just wondering.