pentium III 500

I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making me unsure about buying the thing. Any comments? roy

If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) > I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > me unsure about buying the thing. > Any comments? > roy

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> If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the >Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more >attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully >we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) >> I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all >> I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the >> problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making >> me unsure about buying the thing. >> Any comments? >> roy

Hei i just got a cel 466 on a abit bx2.0 and it runs fine on 525 75*7 maybe faster with som tweeks (starts on 582 but hangs on win startup maybe more power will make it go ). Anyone know of a place that has som bios setup for the bx20 mail me. Erik

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>>I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all >>I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the >>problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making >>me unsure about buying the thing. >>Any comments? >>roy >Personally I think buying a P3-500 is a bad idea. Heres why; >We are at the end of an era. The newest chips will be 133mhz based >probably using RDRam (Rambus) and will require a new motherboard and >ram etc. Same old story isn't it. We will also have ATA66 as a new >standard. >PC100 is dropping in price, CPU's are dropping in price, it does sound >to me like they're offloading stock. >>Whatever you get now will be old by September. So if you must upgrade >now I really recommend you plan for two upgrades. One now which is a >mediocre upgrade (only getting the best bang for buck now) and saving >money for the later upgrade when the new Chipset and 133mhz FSB is >readily available. >Regards, >David

David's advice is spot on and is exactly what I told myself 6 weeks ago when I decide it was time to upgrade my ancient p233MMX. My decision to upgrade came after I downloaded a replay for spa and to my complete horror and dismay, this guy went around it in 3:14s, when I spent hours just trying to stay on the track, something had to give, it was time. I am one of those who waited too long to upgrade and ended up missing the boat without even realizing it. I bought a case with a mainboard fitted with 256 PC100 memory and a PII 450, they call it "an upgrade pack". I bought that and a voodoo3, a sblive sound card, Philips usb speakers and a 19'' monitor (which I won't upgrade for the next 2 years) and WOW! I can actually play at 1280x1024 res and I have a 36ps solid apart from the start. I clocked the V3 to 175MHz, stuck a pentium fan to it. Since then I tend to rush home from work, eat, and I have to be dragged off the computer by the other half, otherwise is hard to stop going around the circuit again and again. I've great sound, great picture (Mitsubishi Diamond Pro flat screen, not LCD, provide you fix the darkness prob in GPL for he V3). yesterday I orded the Aura Interactor,for only $20 you owe it yourself, I've tried it on and it adds a lot to certain games, GPL specially because of its great sound engine. My old system was a mediocre p233mmx with 128mb EDO, an 8mb V2 and sound blaster SBAWE32, I must say I spent a bit more than expected but it's been well worth it, nowadays I can't imagine how someone could play GPL on p233mmx or similar low spec pc's aaaaargh! I will probably upgrade again around March next year. I think the PIII was premature and Intel knows it. Regards, MAO PS* Since my upgrade I've graduated to solid 1:28s at monza and 3:18s in spa are popping up in races now! And the "ring" is nearly "coming" to me, I think.

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> > If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the > >Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more > >attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully > >we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) > Hei i just got a cel 466 on a abit bx2.0 and it runs fine on 525 75*7 > maybe faster with som tweeks (starts on 582 but hangs on win startup maybe > more power will make it go ). > Anyone know of a place that has som bios setup for the bx20 mail me.

Ok Erik, that was the warranty of your CPU out the window, don't post stuff like that in newsgroups that your PC supplier reads :-) -- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

All future graphics drivers and games will take use the PIII instructions to improve frame rates well above what an overclocked Celeron can do. Get a PIII and you will be laughing at the Celeron overclockers in a month or two. The AMD K7 looks good but we will have to wait on that one. > I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > me unsure about buying the thing. > Any comments? > roy

The Celeron doesn't support the new instructions. Already some of the drivers (TNT 1.88 for instance) use these instruction to gain framerate. Soon games will directly use the instructions to increase frame rate as well. look at the scores for 3DMark 99 when comparing Overclocked Celeron's and PIII's at the same clock speed. The PIII's kill them becuase 3DMark 99 support the new instructions! Overclocked Celerons have had their day in the sun. PIII's ain't perfect but the best choice at the moment. Now if only they would hurry up with the XEON III so I can replace my dual XEON's currently in my games machine......

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> If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the > Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more > attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully > we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) > > I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > > I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > > problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > > me unsure about buying the thing. > > Any comments? > > roy

>I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all >I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the I don't think they are crappy for performance reasons. It is probably price Vs performance compared to P2-450's. The advice the others gave is really good. You should be able to get P2-450's for relatively cheap. The advice I always give, is to buy the fastest CPU with the most memory and largest harddrive that you can afford :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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> >I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > >I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > >problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > >me unsure about buying the thing. > >Any comments? > >roy > Some people will say if you keep waiting you'll never upgrade. > Many others also suggest buying the best you can afford. > The price difference between a P3-450 and P3-500 doesn't relate to the > performance difference. You didn't mention what system you have now, > but only that you are buying for the future. > Personally I think buying a P3-500 is a bad idea. Heres why; > We are at the end of an era. The newest chips will be 133mhz based > probably using RDRam (Rambus) and will require a new motherboard and > ram etc. Same old story isn't it. We will also have ATA66 as a new > standard. > PC100 is dropping in price, CPU's are dropping in price, it does sound > to me like they're offloading stock. > Whatever you get now will be old by September. So if you must upgrade > now I really recommend you plan for two upgrades. One now which is a > mediocre upgrade (only getting the best bang for buck now) and saving > money for the later upgrade when the new Chipset and 133mhz FSB is > readily available. > Regards, > David

thanks for the advice, people. Now I am wiser but no wiser. I'm running an AMD K6II 300 and my framerate is around the low twenties. What to do....what to do...oh, what to do? My wife tells me I should spend the computer money on food and clothing and stuff like that. What does she know. I want to live....I want to live. I want to see trees and grass...and clouds and...and...all sorts of other high resolution stuff. Oh, god, I'm so confused.

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>thanks for the advice, people. Now I am wiser but no wiser. I'm running >an AMD K6II 300 and my framerate is around the low twenties. >What to do....what to do...oh, what to do? My wife tells me I should >spend the computer money on food and clothing and stuff like that. What >does she know. I want to live....I want to live. I want to see trees and >grass...and clouds and...and...all sorts of other high resolution stuff. >Oh, god, I'm so confused.

Well after you get that divorce I see in your future you should be a happy gamer :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Greg, Nahh.. They are always bluffing. My wife constantly threatens me with that and I keep telling her to get the papers drawn up and remember she gets 50% of everything, including the debts ;) ROFL disclaimer - My wife and I have a wonderful marriage and she is very supportive in my spending way too much time and money on all my sim racing ventures =) Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

LOL! It's not her fault she's a woman... women just don't understand computer games and simulators. Nor to they understand the thrill we get from them. <Please, Please, Please, don't flame me for this! I swear it was just a joke! ;-)> The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

I have to agree with this, in part. Over the next few months we will see the release of the Pentium III 600MHZ and the AMD K7, which, from what I hear, is going to beat the Pentium III's off the shelves. I don't agree however that 'whatever you get now will be old by September'. If he bought a Pentium III 500MHz, it would NOT be concidered old in just 3 months time. Yes, there would be a superior processor available, but that would not make the P3 500MHz, by any means, "old". The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

Being at the end of an era, and if I had a P233 or comparable, I would just go out and buy a Celeron 300a for $49.00, and an ABIT BH6 for $90.00. You can get a Maxtor 6gig (Ultra DMA drive for $140.00. Anyway you can see where Im going. You can overclock the Celeron to 450 with no problems at all from what I am reading. Most guys are setting turbo on for 103 bus speed and getting 464 out of them. When fast bus and CPU's come out, I would then take a serious look at spending some cash. My 2 cents Rick

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> >I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > >I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > I don't think they are crappy for performance reasons. It is probably > price Vs performance compared to P2-450's. > >problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > >me unsure about buying the thing. > >Any comments? > >roy > The advice the others gave is really good. You should be able to get > P2-450's for relatively cheap. The advice I always give, is to buy the > fastest CPU with the most memory and largest harddrive that you > can afford :-) > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

>It's not her fault she's a woman... women just don't understand >computer games and simulators. Nor to they understand the thrill we >get from them. Don't be too sure ... everytime my fiance comes over now she says, "Can I play Midtown Madness?" Joe McGinn ========================================== Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network [link lost in import: /***.com/] ==========================================

Sorry Ex but don't let Alison H see your comment!! She is a women, a lady & one hell of a racer! Im not flaming you either Ex just wanted to point this out. I'd think 1st but knowing Alison I believe she would laugh too!!.......Cheers Thom_j.

: If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the : Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more : attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully : we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) I'd be looking at Celerons also!!

>I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all >I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the >problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making >me unsure about buying the thing. >Any comments? >roy I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc , any day now. I'm upgrading from a P90 which I've had since mid 94. For all this time I've been watching hardware development and following the "you gotta buy sometime" verus "wait for X to arrive" debate. I have obviously been waiting. In these last 5yrs there has ALWAYS been a significant hardware development just around the corner and I see no end to it in the foreseeable future. The reality of it has been that for the last 2yrs I've played practically no games because I've been so frustrated and pissed off by lousy frame rates. It doesn't matter if you buy now or if you wait 3 more years, it will be great for a while and then start to fall behind in performance. The question is: how long are YOU willing to wait ?

If you bought the most up-to-date system you could find, today, it would be fine for any game you buy in the near future, but only if you ewre to add a Voodoo3, or even Voodoo2 - or perhaps TNT2, when it arrives. This is _always_ going to be the case however. That's evolution for you! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

Neat! And since it has a TNT2, you won't need to buy a Voodoo3 for it either! We should soon be seeing computers with more than 128MB of RAM coming out soon. I can't wait! What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size? If you want to wait for a system which will never be out dated, don't. It will _never_ happen! You could wait til the end of time and there would STILL be a guy down the pub who boasts about a machine faster than yours! It's a simple fact of life, a bit like the Stalks who deliver babies. ;-) The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

<THE-BIGGEST-SPIN-ON-RECORD> You won't want to hear that I play GPL on a Pentium MXX 166MHz with 32MB of RAM and a single Voodoo2, will you? ;-) The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

>>I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc , >>any day now. >What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size? Yes, hard drive. It sounds excessive, but when I bought the P90 the largest drive available was 1 gig. People said that it was a waste of money and it would never get filled up. Well it was full years ago, and the way software is bloating these days I suspect that in a few years the 25gig will look just right. On the other hand I could easily have saved money buying a smaller drive now, and adding more in the future as I needed it when it was cheaper. Don Scurlock Vancouver, B.C.

25GB of HDS is awesome! My PC has only 2.9GB of hard disk space, which is barely enough to install 4 or 5 of my favourite games. My laptop has a larger hard disk, of 6.4GB, and I thought that was big enough, but 25GB? Ace choice! You're right that soon 25GB wil become a standard. At the current time, most new computers come with around 10GB, sometimes 14GB of HDS, and when you think about how large a full install of new games can be (400MB and upwards!), a new computer should NEVER come with anything less than 10GB! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

Umm...I have a computer with 256 MEG and I have for quite a while..where have you been? 20+ GIG hard drives have been out for a while, too... Stalks? Stalks of what? Corn? Beans? I hope they aren't too high, or they might interfere with the STORKS. duh, ~daxe

So will GPL get a boost from these newer drivers for PIIIs or only new games Mark?

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> The Celeron doesn't support the new instructions. Already some of the drivers > (TNT 1.88 for instance) use these instruction to gain framerate. Soon games > will directly use the instructions to increase frame rate as well. look at the > scores for 3DMark 99 when comparing Overclocked Celeron's and PIII's at the > same clock speed. The PIII's kill them becuase 3DMark 99 support the new > instructions! Overclocked Celerons have had their day in the sun. PIII's ain't > perfect but the best choice at the moment. Now if only they would hurry up > with the XEON III so I can replace my dual XEON's currently in my games > machine...... > > If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the > > Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more > > attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully > > we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) > > > I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > > > I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > > > problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > > > me unsure about buying the thing. > > > Any comments? > > > roy

Trade your wife in on a Dual Xeon III 600. You won't regret it!

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> > >I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > > >I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > > >problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > > >me unsure about buying the thing. > > >Any comments? > > >roy > > Some people will say if you keep waiting you'll never upgrade. > > Many others also suggest buying the best you can afford. > > The price difference between a P3-450 and P3-500 doesn't relate to the > > performance difference. You didn't mention what system you have now, > > but only that you are buying for the future. > > Personally I think buying a P3-500 is a bad idea. Heres why; > > We are at the end of an era. The newest chips will be 133mhz based > > probably using RDRam (Rambus) and will require a new motherboard and > > ram etc. Same old story isn't it. We will also have ATA66 as a new > > standard. > > PC100 is dropping in price, CPU's are dropping in price, it does sound > > to me like they're offloading stock. > > Whatever you get now will be old by September. So if you must upgrade > > now I really recommend you plan for two upgrades. One now which is a > > mediocre upgrade (only getting the best bang for buck now) and saving > > money for the later upgrade when the new Chipset and 133mhz FSB is > > readily available. > > Regards, > > David > thanks for the advice, people. Now I am wiser but no wiser. I'm running > an AMD K6II 300 and my framerate is around the low twenties. > What to do....what to do...oh, what to do? My wife tells me I should > spend the computer money on food and clothing and stuff like that. What > does she know. I want to live....I want to live. I want to see trees and > grass...and clouds and...and...all sorts of other high resolution stuff. > Oh, god, I'm so confused.

And she is looking over your shoulder as you type! My wife is very supportive as well. She feeds me in the small gaps between races.

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> Greg, > Nahh.. They are always bluffing. My wife constantly threatens me with that > and I keep telling her to get the papers drawn up and remember she gets 50% > of everything, including the debts ;) > ROFL > disclaimer - My wife and I have a wonderful marriage and she is very > supportive in my spending way too much time and money on all my sim racing > ventures =) > Scott > PA-Scott > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450

My computer never gets a headache. It is always ready to play when I am. It doesn't blow up every twenty eight days and I don't have to turn it on unless I wan't to play. It never complains about me not paying it enough attention and it's learned to be quiet whn I am watching TV. I can always trade it in on a new sexier model!

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> >thanks for the advice, people. Now I am wiser but no wiser. I'm running > >an AMD K6II 300 and my framerate is around the low twenties. > >What to do....what to do...oh, what to do? My wife tells me I should > >spend the computer money on food and clothing and stuff like that. What > >does she know. I want to live....I want to live. I want to see trees and > >grass...and clouds and...and...all sorts of other high resolution stuff. > >Oh, god, I'm so confused. > LOL! > It's not her fault she's a woman... women just don't understand > computer games and simulators. Nor to they understand the thrill we > get from them. > <Please, Please, Please, don't flame me for this! I swear it was just > a joke! ;-)> > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

Sure it's just not the vibrating joystick that's the attraction?

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> >It's not her fault she's a woman... women just don't understand > >computer games and simulators. Nor to they understand the thrill we > >get from them. > Don't be too sure ... everytime my fiance comes over now she says, > "Can I play Midtown Madness?" > Joe McGinn > ========================================== > Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network > [link lost in import: /***.com/] > ==========================================

My daughter will be very upset. I have been telling her its storks who deliver babies and now I find out its stalks. Damn.

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> >I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc , > >any day now. > Neat! And since it has a TNT2, you won't need to buy a Voodoo3 for it > either! > We should soon be seeing computers with more than 128MB of RAM coming > out soon. I can't wait! > What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size? > >In these last 5yrs there has ALWAYS been a significant hardware > >development just around the corner and I see no end to it in the > >foreseeable future. The reality of it has been that for the last 2yrs > >I've played practically no games because I've been so frustrated and > >pissed off by lousy frame rates. It doesn't matter if you buy now or > >if you wait 3 more years, it will be great for a while and then start > >to fall behind in performance. The question is: how long are YOU > >willing to wait ? > If you want to wait for a system which will never be out dated, don't. > It will _never_ happen! You could wait til the end of time and there > would STILL be a guy down the pub who boasts about a machine faster > than yours! > It's a simple fact of life, a bit like the Stalks who deliver babies. > ;-) > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

When a game like Baldurs Gate can take up 3 gig on your hard disk there is no such thing as too much!

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> >>I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc , > >>any day now. > >What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size? > Yes, hard drive. It sounds excessive, but when I bought the P90 the > largest drive available was 1 gig. People said that it was a waste of > money and it would never get filled up. Well it was full years ago, > and the way software is bloating these days I suspect that in a few > years the 25gig will look just right. On the other hand I could > easily have saved money buying a smaller drive now, and adding more > in the future as I needed it when it was cheaper. > Don Scurlock > Vancouver, B.C.

On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:01:55 -0400, "Daxe Rexford" >> We should soon be seeing computers with more than 128MB of RAM coming >> out soon. I can't wait! >Umm...I have a computer with 256 MEG and I have for quite a while..where have >you been? Right here! Nothing above 128MB of RAM is the standard at the moment. Soon we will see virtually every computer have more. There are the exceptional cases which this is already happening - i.e. one friend of mine recently purchased a PC with 360MB of RAM! That still does not make it the standard. You think we don't know that? No, I meant Stalks! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

Gee & I thought the Easter Bunny brought them or was it the tooth fairy.. Yikes this is confusing!! Cheers Thom_j.

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> My daughter will be very upset. I have been telling her its storks who > deliver babies and now I find out its stalks. Damn. > > >I should receive my new P3 550, 128meg, 25gig, TNT2, etc, etc , > > >any day now. > > Neat! And since it has a TNT2, you won't need to buy a Voodoo3 for it > > either! > > We should soon be seeing computers with more than 128MB of RAM coming > > out soon. I can't wait! > > What's the 25gig part however? The hard disk size? > > >In these last 5yrs there has ALWAYS been a significant hardware > > >development just around the corner and I see no end to it in the > > >foreseeable future. The reality of it has been that for the last 2yrs > > >I've played practically no games because I've been so frustrated and > > >pissed off by lousy frame rates. It doesn't matter if you buy now or > > >if you wait 3 more years, it will be great for a while and then start > > >to fall behind in performance. The question is: how long are YOU > > >willing to wait ? > > If you want to wait for a system which will never be out dated, don't. > > It will _never_ happen! You could wait til the end of time and there > > would STILL be a guy down the pub who boasts about a machine faster > > than yours! > > It's a simple fact of life, a bit like the Stalks who deliver babies. > > ;-) > > The Excelsior > > "ICQ #40620378"

What sort of game is this? The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

Of course it's storks, I just didn't like his attitude to comment on spelling mistakes. After all, there's not much of a need for formality on the internet and especially not in Usenet. If there were, we'd all be posting messages in HTML, with letter heads and all! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

>Gee & I thought the Easter Bunny brought them or was it the >tooth fairy.. Yikes this is confusing!! >Cheers Thom_j. It's a ***. We're out to confuse you! ;-) The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

You didn't say anything about 'standard'. You said you would soon be seeing them and I noted that they are already here. The only way you aren't "seeing them" is if you aren't paying attention. Your friend, the one who just bought a computer with "360MB of RAM". Ask him what the configuration is for the memory. Is it two 180MB chips? Three 120MB chips? Four 90MB chips? Maybe it's five 72MB chips? I'd be interested to know, since I can't think of a combination of existing RAM chips that equals 360MB. Apparently you didn't know it since you had to ask the question. What other capacity in a computer is measured in GIG? ~daxe

Jeez everyone knows they come from under cabbages. Anyway I've got a PIII 450. What drivers are they talking about in this thread?

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> >Gee & I thought the Easter Bunny brought them or was it the > >tooth fairy.. Yikes this is confusing!! > >Cheers Thom_j. > It's a ***. We're out to confuse you! > ;-) > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

I know you can get PII Celeron 400 for about 90 What 400+ Celerons can you get ?? and prices ????? does anybody know ??? Ben Summers

Dungeons and Dragons. Six CD's worth. Great game! They have just released a DVD version.

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> >When a game like Baldurs Gate can take up 3 gig on your hard disk there is no such > >thing as too much! > What sort of game is this? > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

I get enough ribbing for my spelling already but you must admit that mixing stalks and storks is funny. No offence given!

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> >My daughter will be very upset. I have been telling her its storks who > >deliver babies and now I find out its stalks. Damn. > Of course it's storks, I just didn't like his attitude to comment on > spelling mistakes. After all, there's not much of a need for formality > on the internet and especially not in Usenet. > If there were, we'd all be posting messages in HTML, with letter heads > and all! > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

Most new video card drivers will support the 3Dnow and SME instructions so some advantage will be gained for all games. Direct X 7 will boost the perfomance even more as it is optimised for SME. When a games code is also optimised then the performance gain is huge.

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> So will GPL get a boost from these newer drivers for PIIIs or only > new games Mark? > > The Celeron doesn't support the new instructions. Already some of the drivers > > (TNT 1.88 for instance) use these instruction to gain framerate. Soon games > > will directly use the instructions to increase frame rate as well. look at the > > scores for 3DMark 99 when comparing Overclocked Celeron's and PIII's at the > > same clock speed. The PIII's kill them becuase 3DMark 99 support the new > > instructions! Overclocked Celerons have had their day in the sun. PIII's ain't > > perfect but the best choice at the moment. Now if only they would hurry up > > with the XEON III so I can replace my dual XEON's currently in my games > > machine...... > > > If I was buying a computer now I'd be looking at the highest of the > > > Celerons (466?) and OCing it to the max (500+). PIIIs will be more > > > attractive when the clock speeds start getting over 600. But hopefully > > > we'll get PIII based Celerons by then :) > > > > I'm buying a new system soon and had a pentium III 500 in mind, but all > > > > I hear on this newsgroup is how crappy pentium III's are. What's the > > > > problem? I'm looking to the future with this one but you guys are making > > > > me unsure about buying the thing. > > > > Any comments? > > > > roy

poke poke poke poke.... It's offense. :o) ~daxe

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>Dungeons and Dragons. Six CD's worth. Great game! They have just released a DVD >version. >> >When a game like Baldurs Gate can take up 3 gig on your hard disk there is no such >> >thing as too much! >> What sort of game is this? >> The Excelsior >> "ICQ #40620378"

Ahh, good old D&D! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:32:54 -0400, "Daxe Rexford" >You didn't say anything about 'standard'. You said you would soon be seeing >them and I noted that they are already here. The only way you aren't "seeing >them" is if you aren't paying attention. I most certainly did! I said: _Nothing above 128MB of RAM is the standard at the moment._ So 128MB of RAM is the _standard_ for now. And then I said: _Soon we will see virtually every computer have more._ Thus, soon virtually every computer will have more RAM, also as standard! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:18:14 +0800, "Stuart Nicholson" >Jeez everyone knows they come from under cabbages. Anyway I've got a PIII >450. What drivers are they talking about in this thread? Are you a fan of Round The Twist? The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

Nope, I don't. The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

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>> > I get enough ribbing for my spelling already but you must admit that mixing >> > stalks and storks is funny. No offence given! >> poke poke poke poke.... >> It's offense. >Argh - you're opening up a whole new can of worms: different English and >American spelling! >There's no way back noooooww.......

And since Americans are speaking a 'false' English language, we Brits' must be right! ;-) The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

I'd rather hear you defend your fabrication. You make some good points, but when you make things up to defend yourself, you lose credibility. ~daxe

Actually, when it comes to the English language, I consider the English to be correct. Is 'offence' the proper way to spell the word in Britain? Is it possible that that most grating of misspellings, 'loosing', is also correct in Britain? Someone please help me with this? ~daxe

> > I get enough ribbing for my spelling already but you must admit that mixing > > stalks and storks is funny. No offence given! > poke poke poke poke.... > It's offense. Argh - you're opening up a whole new can of worms: different English and American spelling! There's no way back noooooww.......

Offence is correct. Loosing should read losing if you mean as in not winning :-) Mark > > >Argh - you're opening up a whole new can of worms: different English and

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> > >American spelling! > > >There's no way back noooooww....... > > And since Americans are speaking a 'false' English language, we Brits' > > must be right! > Actually, when it comes to the English language, I consider the English to

be > correct. Is 'offence' the proper way to spell the word in Britain? Is it > possible that that most grating of misspellings, 'loosing', is also correct in > Britain? Someone please help me with this? > ~daxe

Damn damn damn damn and damn.

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> > I get enough ribbing for my spelling already but you must admit that mixing > > stalks and storks is funny. No offence given! > poke poke poke poke.... > It's offense. > :o) > ~daxe

Fair 'nuff......

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> >I get enough ribbing for my spelling already but you must admit that mixing > >stalks and storks is funny. No offence given! > Nope, I don't. > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:33:49 -0400, "Daxe Rexford" >I'd rather hear you defend your fabrication. You make some good points, but >when you make things up to defend yourself, you lose credibility. I beg your pardon? I don't appreciate being called a liar. I can't be expected to know the setup of other peoples computers. I've given you his e-mail address, so go ask him! BTW, depending on which country you're in, and which country they sell to, try to find a copy of this months "PC Reviewer". Their 'Build Your Own' page usually has good advice as to where you can pick up parts and how you can integrate them into your system. They have an excellent piece of dual processors a few weeks back... The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

If you aren't willing or able to defend what you say, don't say it. You quoted someone' specs and I asked you about what you said. Now you won't own up to what you said. An unsubstantiated statement is a lie. I have 6 computers in my house and I built every one of them from scratch. That isn't counting the dozen or so computers I have built for other people scattered here and there. I don;t really think I need 'advice' on how to integrate parts into computers. daxe

I looked it up, too. My dictionary listed offence and just referrred me to the definition for offense, so they are apparently both correct. Under the definition for offense, it listed the other spelling and said 'Chiefly Brit.' There we have it. daxe

ROFL!! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:31:43 -0400, "Daxe Rexford" >If you aren't willing or able to defend what you say, don't say it. You quoted >someone' specs and I asked you about what you said. Now you won't own up to >what you said. An unsubstantiated statement is a lie. You are talking nonsense! How do you know that there are rock on Mars? Because you have seen them with your own eyes, or because somebody has told you about them? Nuff said! The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

You're full of crap. You are lying to cover up a misstatement. To defend yourself you told me to ask someone else. In private email you send me to: www.future-computers.net/ram/order/ram.html There is no DNS entry for this site. Whois reports nothing. You made up the URL. Your response will probably be that 'just because I can't get there, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.' Another lie. I will be perfectly willing to apologize to you and admit I am wrong when you give me substantial evidence to back up your claims. The fact is: There are no 360MB RAM chips. There is no combination of chips that adds up to that amount. You claim all these wondrous things are viewable and available at 'PC World'. Since I am not in England, I can't exactly verify that claim, but no such chips exist at any computer retailer online or in person that I can find. You're full of poo. ~daxe PS..I presume there are 'rock' on Mars because I have seen pictures. When I see a picture (at a public, 3rd party site) of a 360MB RAM chip for sale I will be happy.

On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:29:14 -0400, "Daxe Rexford" I e-mailed Daxe Rexford with a personal apology, on my part, as it was my miss calculating (and perhaps acting before thinking) which began this flaming contest. I have been to PC World this morning and now recognise that I was incorrect in my previous statement. I am never too proud to admit that I am wrong, as long as I believe that I _am_ wrong. I was wrong about this, and so I apologise! I hope there are no hard feelings... The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

None whatsoever. Thank you for being a mature and honorable person (I wish I was, more often). I feel better about you not laboring under a misconception than about me being correct. Sorry to you and the group for taking up so much time and space bickering. ~daxe

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:10:44 -0400, "Daxe Rexford" >Sorry to you and the group for taking up so much time and space bickering. I didn't hear anybody else complaing. Perhaps they thought it made an entertaining read? No, perhaps not. :-) The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

Windows 95 doesn't benifit much from above 64MB, and Windows 98 doesn't benifit much from above 128. Until MS optimizes these OS's, 256MB for anyone other than a heavy graphics pro is overkill and money better spent elsewhere... Windows 2000 is a different story... -Larry > Right here! Nothing above 128MB of RAM is the standard at the moment. > Soon we will see virtually every computer have more. There are the > exceptional cases which this is already happening - i.e. one friend of > mine recently purchased a PC with 360MB of RAM!