K62/3 and GPL owners; please respond

Can you give me an idea what framerates your achieving in GPL? What Motherboard/Graphics card are using with your AMD chip? BTW, I'm considering the AOpen AX59Pro and a Voodoo 3 3000, but unsure about which chip route to take, K6-2 or 3. Cheers, Craig **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****

I had a AMD K6-2 333....I was an advocate of the AMD offerings...then I got a Celeron.....oooooh la la. Do yourself a huge favor...get a Celeron the Floating Point is what you need in GPL and it rocks. I basically doubled my framerate by going to a Celeron 366 oc'd to 458....with dual Voodoo2's. (which were underutilized in the AMD). If you dont believe that I was a AMD supporter then go to my page and see my pages dedicated to my AMD. Also dont believe the hype about the different motherboards for socket 7. They are all huge headaches with owners needing to jump thru all kinds of hoops to get simple usability. Then I hooked up my Abit Bh6 and no hoops no muss no fuss....just rocking fast framerates and instant compatibility. PAPA DOC www.papadoc.net Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Falcon 4 Instructor Pilot Su-27 Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> http://www.papadoc.net Home of the FALCON 4 Benchmark

I have a K6-2 300 with a 8MB Voodoo2 and I can get 36fps with some details turned off and all 19 cars. I'm using an ASUS P5 A-B with 64 MB PC100 memory. -- -/- Walk Walker Official HAL Backmarker (tm) ****

K6-2 400 with Rendition 8MB. AFAIR Epox Motherboard with VIA MP3 chipset. 128 MB PC100. Offline: 36fps with 19AI in 800x600 Online: 36fps in 640x480. K6-233 with Voodoo1: 20-30 fps. Not good. -- Matthias Flatt

if you want to get a amd chip wait for the k7 to come out and buy a k6-3 475 at a cheap price, im gonna buy a amd cuz i cant afford a p2 450 or p3 500! > >I have a K6-2 300 with a 8MB Voodoo2 and I can get 36fps with some details

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> >turned off and all 19 cars. I'm using an ASUS P5 A-B with 64 MB PC100 > >memory. > K6-2 400 with Rendition 8MB. AFAIR Epox Motherboard with VIA MP3 > chipset. 128 MB PC100. > Offline: 36fps with 19AI in 800x600 > Online: 36fps in 640x480. > K6-233 with Voodoo1: 20-30 fps. Not good. > -- > Matthias Flatt

>if you want to get a amd chip wait for the k7 to come out and buy a k6-3 475 >at a cheap price, im gonna buy a amd cuz i cant afford a p2 450 or p3 500! I have a AMD K6-2/350 and a 12MB Voodoo2. But since I don't want to go for another motherboard upgrade this year,I'm just going to purchase a AMD K6-3/450. Joel Willstein

>If you dont believe that I was a AMD supporter then go to my page and >see my pages dedicated to my AMD. Also dont believe the hype about the >different motherboards for socket 7. They are all huge headaches with >owners needing to jump thru all kinds of hoops to get simple >usability. Then I hooked up my Abit Bh6 and no hoops no muss no >fuss....just rocking fast framerates and instant compatibility. Right. Which explains why I never agreed with your AMD hype :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

>Can you give me an idea what framerates your achieving in GPL? What >Motherboard/Graphics card are using with your AMD chip? >BTW, I'm considering the AOpen AX59Pro and a Voodoo 3 3000, but unsure about >which chip route to take, K6-2 or 3. I don't use an AMD chip in this current machine, but I can offer an educated guess: when GPL came out a few months ago, people noted that L2 cache size and speed are important for good framerates. Therefore, the K6-3 with its fast on-chip L2 cache should be considerably better suited for GPL than an k6-2 - especially if you also have a board with a great L2 cache, which will then operate as L3 cache. This might already be overkill, though, and the K6-3 is much more expensive than the K6-2. Having said this, I'm by no means sure I would buy an AMD based system for GPL. From what I read here, it seems as if an intel Celeron powered machine (400 MHz or more) delivers a bigger bang for the buck. I have a nice super socket 7 board (FIC VA 503+) which I intend to keep using, so for me, the upgrade route is clear: K6-2 400 (or more) or K6-3 400 (or more) if they become much cheaper. But if I were to build a new machine, I would buy a configurable slot 1 mainboard with the BX chipset and a Celeron 400 (with slot 1 adaptor) now. With the Celeron, you're limited to slower bus speeds, but this is not that important once your L2 cache is on-chip. As for graphics cards: the Voodoo 3 seems to be the logical choice when your main concern is GPL. BTW, what's the difference between the V3 2000, 3000, and 3500? Do they differ a lot hardware-wise, or is the main difference in the software bundle? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

I'd say: If you're going to use a super socket 7 mainboard and AMD, you should use a rendition graphics board. These cards are way less heavy on the CPU, and my guess is that you can easily get36 fps with a fast AMD and super socket7 and a Thriller card. And go for a 8MB card, as you avoid frequent texture thrashing. I am using a Stealth II card, outdated and cheap, but it still manages to spit out the graphics needed (all graphics on, mirrors as well) at 36 fps with 640x480, also when in the middle of the field on the grid. I have a PII Celery oc. to 450, but I probably would get the same fps with an AMD solution. If you want Voodoo cards, you would need a PII because the voodoo cards are only as fast as the CPU... And I have heard that the floating point unit of the new AMD K6-3 is a major improvement. ---Asgeir---

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> Can you give me an idea what framerates your achieving in GPL? What > Motherboard/Graphics card are using with your AMD chip? > BTW, I'm considering the AOpen AX59Pro and a Voodoo 3 3000, but unsure about > which chip route to take, K6-2 or 3. > Cheers, > Craig > **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****

>As for graphics cards: the Voodoo 3 seems to be the logical choice >when your main concern is GPL. BTW, what's the difference between the >V3 2000, 3000, and 3500? Do they differ a lot hardware-wise, or is the >main difference in the software bundle? They are basically the same, but work at different clockspeeds. Just a matter of quality of the components just like with CPUs. JoH ======================================== Jo Helsen EDP Operations BF Belgium ========================================

You're kidding right? I too have a k6-2 300, but with a 12mb Voodoo and 64mb and can only get up to 36fps if I turn almost every detail off except the absolutely necessary and reduce all cars to 8:( -- Peter Ives

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>>I have a K6-2 300 with a 8MB Voodoo2 and I can get 36fps with some details >>turned off and all 19 cars. I'm using an ASUS P5 A-B with 64 MB PC100 >>memory. >>-- >>-/- Walk Walker >You're kidding right? I too have a k6-2 300, but with a 12mb Voodoo and >64mb and can only get up to 36fps if I turn almost every detail off >except the absolutely necessary and reduce all cars to 8:( >-- >Peter Ives

I've got a K6-2/350 with 64 MB of SDRAM and a 12MB Voodoo 2. With a full field I get 36fps just about everywhere except at the starts which vary between 15-20 fps. Joel Willstein

Im sorry that is not correct. There is a minor improvement if that... From a former AMD K6-2 333 owner...dont be misled into getting a AMD....the Celeron is much much quicker in GPL. PAPA DOC

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>And I have heard that the floating point unit of the new AMD K6-3 is a major >improvement. >---Asgeir--- >> Can you give me an idea what framerates your achieving in GPL? What >> Motherboard/Graphics card are using with your AMD chip? >> BTW, I'm considering the AOpen AX59Pro and a Voodoo 3 3000, but unsure about >> which chip route to take, K6-2 or 3. >> Cheers, >> Craig >> **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Falcon 4 Instructor Pilot Su-27 Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> http://www.papadoc.net Home of the FALCON 4 Benchmark

AMD K6-2 400, FIC 503v MB. voodoo3 pci, 37fps drops to 25 at start then climbs back to 30 to 37 by first turn, extremely pleased with chip,mb, and video card

Thats neat, I was also pleased as pudding with my K6-2 333.....but alas for AMD the Celeron blows it into the weeds. That floating point action is important.... Let me just say I was pleased with my AMD and Shocked Shitless by my Celeron 366...thats been running wonderfully well at 458 forever. I only respond not to get into a debate with you but to help others avoid the expensive mistake I made by trying to make the AMD as fast at the Celeron in Floating Point intensive games. Its a entire culture of people attempting to say that this or that tweek makes the AMD as fast as the Celeron finally....those tweeks never work and the celeron user just has to plug his puter in and he is fast. And lets not even get to all the fun of setting up Non Intel Chipsets... PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Falcon 4 Instructor Pilot Su-27 Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> http://www.papadoc.net Home of the FALCON 4 Benchmark

I had a K62-300 oc'd to 350 w/a 8mb Thriller on a DFI Super 7 motherboard...I could get 36fps in training with most graphics turned on at 640x480. However, at the back of a full grid at Monza I could only get abou 12-13. If I cut way back on graphics I could get up to about 18 on the grid and up to 30 or so by the first Lesmos. It made for some pretty exciting first lap! I've recently switched to a celeron 400a on an abit bx6 mobo and it rocks!!! No comparison. I haven't even tried to oc it yet but I get 36 fps all the time and 30 at the back of the grid. In 800x600 it drops to 28. Still with the Rendition card. Plus I had lots of mobo and compatability problems. I could not recommend the AMD. **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****