GP3 to GP4

Hi all I have been away from sims for awhile. I started playing GP2 again & like it so got GP3. I liked that too & saw GP4 on ebay cheap. Put it on tonight & was disappointed by the sluggish behavior. I let it do the auto graphics. That pretty much wiped out all trackside objects. I am running a 2GB P4 with 256MB mem & a Riva TNT 64 card (32mb mem ) I thought this would be enough but............... Any tips? Before anyone starts with junk it please realize I like GP I think that I can be fine with GP3 but wanted to know what I could do to try & make GP4 run better. Is the TNT 64 card too slow? I have been thinking of getting a Radeon 9600 with theh 128mb of mem. Would that allow GP4 to move? Or is my 2GB CPU already a limiting factor for this sim? Thanks for any help you may give.

On 15 Dec 2003 23:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: >Is the TNT 64 card too slow? That card was too slow when it was released about 5 years ago. -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

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> Hi all > I have been away from sims for awhile. I started playing GP2 again & > like it so got GP3. I liked that too & saw GP4 on ebay cheap. > Put it on tonight & was disappointed by the sluggish behavior. I let > it do the auto graphics. That pretty much wiped out all trackside > objects. > I am running a 2GB P4 with 256MB mem & a Riva TNT 64 card (32mb mem ) > I thought this would be enough but............... > Any tips? > Before anyone starts with junk it please realize I like GP I think > that I can be fine with GP3 but wanted to know what I could do to try > & make GP4 run better. > Is the TNT 64 card too slow? I have been thinking of getting a Radeon > 9600 with theh 128mb of mem. Would that allow GP4 to move? Or is my > 2GB CPU already a limiting factor for this sim? > Thanks for any help you may give.

Video card issues aside, iirc you need to turn off Anti-aliasing. Besides which, you're better off with GP3 AND GP3-2000 add-on in comparison to GP4. ++ Fillyourboots

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> Mike wrote: > > Hi all > > I have been away from sims for awhile. I started playing GP2 again & > > like it so got GP3. I liked that too & saw GP4 on ebay cheap. > > Put it on tonight & was disappointed by the sluggish behavior. I let > > it do the auto graphics. That pretty much wiped out all trackside > > objects. > > I am running a 2GB P4 with 256MB mem & a Riva TNT 64 card (32mb mem ) > > I thought this would be enough but............... > > Any tips? > > Before anyone starts with junk it please realize I like GP I think > > that I can be fine with GP3 but wanted to know what I could do to try > > & make GP4 run better. > > Is the TNT 64 card too slow? I have been thinking of getting a Radeon > > 9600 with theh 128mb of mem. Would that allow GP4 to move? Or is my > > 2GB CPU already a limiting factor for this sim? > > Thanks for any help you may give. > > Video card issues aside, iirc you need to turn off Anti-aliasing. Besides > which, you're better off with GP3 AND GP3-2000 add-on in comparison to

GP4. > > ++ > Fillyourboots > I would disagree.. GP4 is far better :-p >

"Fillyourboots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<brmmev$d91$[email hidden]>... > > Video card issues aside, iirc you need to turn off Anti-aliasing. Besides > which, you're better off with GP3 AND GP3-2000 add-on in comparison to GP4. > > ++ > Fillyourboots Thanks what is iirc? As for anti alias I thought that letting the sim self pic which gave a low 14 fps was as good as it got? Like I said I dont mind GP3 & it looks fine. I have heard of this 2000 add-on but not found it. Where do I get/buy it? Thanks for your help.

Andrew <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > On 15 Dec 2003 23:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: > > >Is the TNT 64 card too slow? > > That card was too slow when it was released about 5 years ago. Ahhhh ok ;) Well I had a hunch but it was at least better than my V2 ..lol Thanks I will look into a new card too. Any suggestions $100 or less ? Thanks

On 16 Dec 2003 07:49:09 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: >Thanks what is iirc? If I Recall Correctly Cheers! Remco

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> "Fillyourboots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<brmmev$d91$[email hidden]>... > >> >> Video card issues aside, iirc you need to turn off Anti-aliasing. >> Besides which, you're better off with GP3 AND GP3-2000 add-on in >> comparison to GP4. >> >> ++ >> Fillyourboots > > Thanks what is iirc? As for anti alias I thought that letting the sim > self pic which gave a low 14 fps was as good as it got? > Like I said I dont mind GP3 & it looks fine. I have heard of this 2000 > add-on but not found it. > Where do I get/buy it? > Thanks for your help.

I've got a patched back-up of GP3 2000 if you want it - drop me an email with your details. ++ Fillyourboots

"Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Andrew <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > On 15 Dec 2003 23:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: > > > > >Is the TNT 64 card too slow? > > > > That card was too slow when it was released about 5 years ago. > > Ahhhh ok ;) Well I had a hunch but it was at least better than my V2 ..lol > Thanks I will look into a new card too. Any suggestions $100 or less ? > Thanks

No offence, but if you want to play any game these days with decent graphics, you have to be prepared to spend more than $100. KK

"Fillyourboots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:brmmev$d91$[email hidden]... > > Video card issues aside, iirc you need to turn off Anti-aliasing. That's with F1C. GP4 had no performance hit with FSAA on my Radeon, but then, FSAA is much better on Radeon than Nvidia > Besides > which, you're better off with GP3 AND GP3-2000 add-on in comparison toGP4. If you're one of those purists that wants physics above all else... as an overall package, GP4 is much better. Eye candy just adds so much to the game's atmosphere. KK

On 15 Dec 2003 23:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: >Is the TNT 64 card too slow? I have been thinking of getting a Radeon >9600 with theh 128mb of mem. Would that allow GP4 to move? Or is my >2GB CPU already a limiting factor for this sim? CPU is fine. Your videocard is a huge bottleneck. I'd recommend getting a Geforce 4 Ti4400/4600 as they're cheap now and will run any current game fine. Jason

This is an interesting topic. I need a newer card as well since my Voodoo5 doesn't support N2003, F1-C, or NT2004. I was always wondering what would be next in line to choose from because I can't afford an ATI Radeon 9800 or 9700 vid card. I'm beginning to think that FSAA is not as important as frame rates...so now I'm just looking for good fps and compatibility with newer titles at a reasonable price. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 15 Dec 2003 23:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: > > >Is the TNT 64 card too slow? I have been thinking of getting a Radeon > >9600 with theh 128mb of mem. Would that allow GP4 to move? Or is my > >2GB CPU already a limiting factor for this sim? > > CPU is fine. Your videocard is a huge bottleneck. > > I'd recommend getting a Geforce 4 Ti4400/4600 as they're cheap now and > will run any current game fine. > > Jason

Interesting...I had been away for awhile So had thought a Radeon 9600 just by seeing what was popular on Ebay. But the Geforce 4 has 128mb also at half the price. Is it pretty close in performance? Thanks [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> On 15 Dec 2003 23:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: > > >Is the TNT 64 card too slow? I have been thinking of getting a Radeon > >9600 with theh 128mb of mem. Would that allow GP4 to move? Or is my > >2GB CPU already a limiting factor for this sim? > > CPU is fine. Your videocard is a huge bottleneck. > > I'd recommend getting a Geforce 4 Ti4400/4600 as they're cheap now and > will run any current game fine. > > Jason

On 18 Dec 2003 07:33:33 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: >Interesting...I had been away for awhile So had thought a Radeon 9600 >just by seeing what was popular on Ebay. >But the Geforce 4 has 128mb also at half the price. Is it pretty close >in performance? Anandtech did a review of the Radeon 9600 Pro. It is sandwiched, performance wise, in between the Geforce 4 Ti4200/Geforce FX 5600 and the Radeon 9500 Pro. The Geforce 4 Ti4600 is still faster in their benchmarks. Jason

Thanks that info helps alot I forgot about Anandtech. That was a great site I use to read. Thanks again Mike [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> On 18 Dec 2003 07:33:33 -0800, [email hidden] (Mike) wrote: > > >Interesting...I had been away for awhile So had thought a Radeon 9600 > >just by seeing what was popular on Ebay. > >But the Geforce 4 has 128mb also at half the price. Is it pretty close > >in performance? > > Anandtech did a review of the Radeon 9600 Pro. It is sandwiched, > performance wise, in between the Geforce 4 Ti4200/Geforce FX 5600 and > the Radeon 9500 Pro. The Geforce 4 Ti4600 is still faster in their > benchmarks. > > Jason

Hi, I tried to email you but Im not sure if it is getting through. I removed just the nospam in the above addy. If not you can contact me at flying<at>hialoha<dot>net Thanks, Mike "Fillyourboots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<bro34j$q2n$[email hidden]>...

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> Mike wrote: > > "Fillyourboots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<brmmev$d91$[email hidden]>... > > > >> > >> Video card issues aside, iirc you need to turn off Anti-aliasing. > >> Besides which, you're better off with GP3 AND GP3-2000 add-on in > >> comparison to GP4. > >> > >> ++ > >> Fillyourboots > > > > Thanks what is iirc? As for anti alias I thought that letting the sim > > self pic which gave a low 14 fps was as good as it got? > > Like I said I dont mind GP3 & it looks fine. I have heard of this 2000 > > add-on but not found it. > > Where do I get/buy it? > > Thanks for your help. > > I've got a patched back-up of GP3 2000 if you want it - drop me an email > with your details. > > ++ > Fillyourboots

> > Thanks what is iirc? shorthand for 'If I recall correctly.' dh

Mike wrote:

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> Hi, > I tried to email you but Im not sure if it is getting through. > I removed just the nospam in the above addy. > If not you can contact me at flying<at>hialoha<dot>net > Thanks, > Mike >

Sorry about that, Mike. I've got both your emails and i'll send something coherent tomorrow, but right now i've just got back from the works party and am are too pissed to do anything about it right now. but rest rest easy my little friend. ++ Fillyourboots