new nVidia TNT\TNT2\Vanta drivers out...

The new detonator (1.88 I think) drivers are available at If you have an AGP card... ftp://ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... x/win9x188agp.zip If you have a PCI card ftp://ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... x/win9x188pci.zip If those sites are down... If you have an AGP card... ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... x/win9x188agp.zip If you have a PCI card ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... x/win9x188pci.zip these arre official from Nvidia so they should be good for most systems, no complaints from my STB card. These are new as of Friday enjoy...

Kieth, the Detonator drivers are fine, and I found that the 1.88 drivers really improved performanbce with the NFS4 demo. Being that GPL dosn't even support Open GL at this point (beta dosn't count as support) Why should Nvidia make special drivers fro a game that dosn't even support thier platform and not to mentiobn dosn't have a lot of volume of thier customers being that it requires Glide or Rendition. It isn't the 1.88 drivers that arer bad, it is that GPL hasn't implimented OGL at any resprectable level. The card makers can't baby set reach game and provide drivers for inidividual games that the programers didn't support themselves. As for my own experience with the GPL demo (as I don't have a rend or gliude card I'm not buying the game) with just a couple options off and 16 sounds I got a respeectable 25fps from a card that isn't even supported by the game. With all grafics off, it flew at 40 fps on my 450 :) Point well taken chris, but I wouldn''t say the 1.88 drivgers are worthless based on how it performs on an unsupported game. >I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course). >Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the frequent >gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough to find >out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked) feels like >it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second wait until >the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed with no >problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the 1.88 >Detonator with GPL in mind. >Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets its act >together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88 Detonators. Nvidia >have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke. >Keith.

yes, I think the only ones that should be interested are those who play games other than GPL, like SCGT, F1rs etc etc... there are other sims out there. :) and boy would I like to see a good engine like GPL;s in an era I can get into (with D3D)

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>I would buy a refurbished 12MB V2 from Creative (50.00 US) and end my >frustration If I were in the same position. >DN >> I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course). >> Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the >frequent >> gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough

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>find >> out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked) >feels like >> it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second wait >until >> the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed >with no >> problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the 1.88 >> Detonator with GPL in mind. >> Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets

its >act >> together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88 Detonators. >Nvidia >> have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke. >> Keith.

I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course). Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the frequent gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough to find out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked) feels like it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second wait until the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed with no problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the 1.88 Detonator with GPL in mind. Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets its act together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88 Detonators. Nvidia have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke. Keith.

I would buy a refurbished 12MB V2 from Creative (50.00 US) and end my frustration If I were in the same position. DN

I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public beta. TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3) _____________________________________________

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> The new detonator (1.88 I think) drivers are available at > If you have an AGP card... > ftp://ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... > x/win9x188agp.zip > If you have a PCI card > ftp://ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... > x/win9x188pci.zip > If those sites are down... > If you have an AGP card... > ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... > x/win9x188agp.zip > If you have a PCI card > ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van... > x/win9x188pci.zip > these arre official from Nvidia so they should be good for most systems, no > complaints from my STB card. These are new as of Friday > enjoy...

I would have to agree with Keith. I tried the new drivers with GPL and I'm having really long load times on the menu screens...........weird! The game then crashes in the driving screen. Wasn't having that before I loaded the 1.88 drivers. Hopefully the 1.1 patch will be out soon, and will have full openGL support.

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> yes, I think the only ones that should be interested are those who play > games other than GPL, like SCGT, F1rs etc etc... there are other sims out > there. :) > and boy would I like to see a good engine like GPL;s in an era I can get > into (with D3D) > >I would buy a refurbished 12MB V2 from Creative (50.00 US) and end my > >frustration If I were in the same position. > >DN > >> I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course). > >> Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the > >frequent > >> gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough > to > >find > >> out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked) > >feels like > >> it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second

wait > >until > >> the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed > >with no > >> problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the 1.88 > >> Detonator with GPL in mind. > >> Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets > its > >act > >> together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88 Detonators. > >Nvidia > >> have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke. > >> Keith.

>I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public >beta. >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3) >_____________________________________________ I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on the idea of having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a 60% success rate. Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off by the apparent disregard for backwards compatibility. Keith.

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>Kieth, the Detonator drivers are fine, and I found that the 1.88 drivers >really improved performanbce with the NFS4 demo. Being that GPL dosn't even >support Open GL at this point (beta dosn't count as support) Why should >Nvidia make special drivers fro a game that dosn't even support thier >platform and not to mentiobn dosn't have a lot of volume of thier customers >being that it requires Glide or Rendition. It isn't the 1.88 drivers that >arer bad, it is that GPL hasn't implimented OGL at any resprectable level. >The card makers can't baby set reach game and provide drivers for >inidividual games that the programers didn't support themselves.

It doesn't matter if you choose software rendering or OpenGL, it is the menus that are slow. The quality of OpenGL in 1.88 and GPL is irrelevant to my argument. Keith.

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> >I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public > >beta. > >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3) > >_____________________________________________ > I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on the idea of > having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a 60% > success rate. > Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off by the > apparent disregard for backwards compatibility. > Keith.

As long as the game doesn't refuse to run on NT as it thinks there is little DirectX support it runs fine. After all, DirectX 7 is included and OpenGL have always been there. I've run Motocross Madness, Sportscar GT, i688 Hunter/killer, Flight sim 98, Grim Fandango, Quake 3 test, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Heretic 2 and more without any problems on Windows 2000. Only problems I've had is with Powerslide and NFS HS that refuses to run on NT. Stupid conding. Those games should check for DirectX support, not OS type! TF

Excellent! I will give 2000 beta3 a whirl. I wonder if it works with vmware under Linux :) Thanks, Keith.

right rthat's why I was saying point well taken, I was just refering to a small portion of your post about "until nvidia gets its act together," tyhat in my oppinion Nvidia should care less abouyt GPL at least untill there if some official support by papyrus themselves. >>Kieth, the Detonator drivers are fine, and I found that the 1.88 drivers >>really improved performanbce with the NFS4 demo. Being that GPL dosn't even >>support Open GL at this point (beta dosn't count as support) Why should >>Nvidia make special drivers fro a game that dosn't even support thier >>platform and not to mentiobn dosn't have a lot of volume of thier customers >>being that it requires Glide or Rendition. It isn't the 1.88 drivers that >>arer bad, it is that GPL hasn't implimented OGL at any resprectable level. >>The card makers can't baby set reach game and provide drivers for >>inidividual games that the programers didn't support themselves. >It doesn't matter if you choose software rendering or OpenGL, it is the menus >that are slow. The quality of OpenGL in 1.88 and GPL is irrelevant to my >argument. >Keith.

so in your oppinion the problens with NFS 4 not running along with others would be easilly patchable? >> >I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public >> >beta. >> >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3) >> >_____________________________________________ >> I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on the idea of >> having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a 60% >> success rate. >> Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off by the >> apparent disregard for backwards compatibility. >> Keith. >As long as the game doesn't refuse to run on NT as it thinks there is little DirectX >support it runs fine. After all, DirectX 7 is included and OpenGL have always been >there. >I've run Motocross Madness, Sportscar GT, i688 Hunter/killer, Flight sim 98, Grim >Fandango, Quake 3 test, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Heretic 2 and more without any >problems on Windows 2000. Only problems I've had is with Powerslide and NFS HS that >refuses to run on NT. Stupid conding. Those games should check for DirectX support, >not OS type! >TF

It's a really catch-22 as you can't support the OpenGL rasterizer without first having a proper OpenGL ICD from the IHV. Eric

If most other games run flawlessly on Windows 2000, why shouldn't NFS4? TF

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> so in your oppinion the problens with NFS 4 not running along with others > would be easilly patchable? > >> >I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in > public > >> >beta. > >> >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3) > >> >_____________________________________________ > >> I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on

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> idea of > >> having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a > 60% > >> success rate. > >> Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off > by the > >> apparent disregard for backwards compatibility. > >> Keith. > >As long as the game doesn't refuse to run on NT as it thinks there is > little DirectX > >support it runs fine. After all, DirectX 7 is included and OpenGL have > always been > >there. > >I've run Motocross Madness, Sportscar GT, i688 Hunter/killer, Flight sim > 98, Grim > >Fandango, Quake 3 test, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Heretic 2 and more > without any > >problems on Windows 2000. Only problems I've had is with Powerslide and

NFS > HS that > >refuses to run on NT. Stupid conding. Those games should check for DirectX > support, > >not OS type! > >TF

188 drivers/Asus V3800 run fine on my 450 PIII with GPL. -Larry > It doesn't matter if you choose software rendering or OpenGL, it is the menus > that are slow. The quality of OpenGL in 1.88 and GPL is irrelevant to my > argument. > Keith.

Do they? That's an honest question. I'd like to know :) -Larry > If most other games run flawlessly on Windows 2000,

If you have a TNT, you are all set. MS has included TNT drivers (nVidia) as part of the supported hardware in B3. However, TNT2 users are out of luck for now. -Larry > I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public > beta. > TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3) > _____________________________________________

They work on the Asus V3800 as well, but the other packaged Asus software ***es that the Asus drivers aren't installed, and won't function :( -Larry > these arre official from Nvidia so they should be good for most systems, no > complaints from my STB card. These are new as of Friday > enjoy...