copy GPL cd rom - HELP

Can anyone explain to me why I can't copy the GPL cd-rom? Even using a 700 MB disk does not seem to solve the problem! Any suggestions or am I doing something completely wrong? PR essence

Yes your doing something completely wrong. Copying is illegal. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

You have European version! It's some kind of a copy protection. I had to buy a new cd-rom drive just to install the game! Papy/Sierra doesn't trust Europeans. Borut

i hope you are not copying the game to give to friends who are yet to try the gpl experience- if so it is actions like this that are to blame for papys semingles droping of the game, they have not made as much money on the game and making copys further shrinks their revenue, this will make them less inclined to make a gpl2.

The thing you're doing that is completely wrong is trying to copy a commercial CD-ROM. Despite all the excuses given, I think that if CD-ROMs are stored and handled properly there is NO reason for an average consumer to make 'safety copies'.

Funny you mention copy protection on CD. I just read (somewhere) Microsoft will begin using some sort of copy protection on all of there products very soon. This protection will not copy to another CD and is neccesary to run the proggie. Personally, I'm so sick of blatant copyright infrigment by the "warez" crowd that I really don't even mind! Take a trip over to the NG 3DFX.products.voodoobanshee to see what I mean. Some punk named commOdog is always bragging about his theft of not only S/W but music, pictures, etc etc. His daddy needs to take his 'puter away! For some reason this guy reminds me of the term "Trenchcoat Mafia". The inmates are in charge, OH NOOO! Mitch > You have European version! It's some kind of a copy protection. I had to buy

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> a new cd-rom drive just to install the game! Papy/Sierra doesn't trust > Europeans. > Borut > > Can anyone explain to me why I can't copy the GPL cd-rom? Even using a

700 > > MB disk does not seem to solve the problem! > > Any suggestions or am I doing something completely wrong? > > PR essence

Or more importantly Nascar3, or 4.

Don't copy GPL. Support Papy and purchase GPL. Cheers Dirk PRessence schrieb: -- --------------------------------------------- http://www.simracinggermany.de http://members.tripod.de/dmu

>Yes your doing something completely wrong. Copying is illegal. Why jump to that conclusion? He may want a backup or to avoid having to find the CD every time he wants to play thanks to the stupid copy protection foisted upon the Europeans. Apart from ***games my two pet hates are a) games that _force_ you to install into their "Company_name" directory (I hate even suggesting it, but forcing you is unforgivable) and b) copy protection on CDs that force you to find the game and put it in the drive in order to play - European GPL has BOTH of these. Given that and the chance the CD could become damaged and fail to read with all the additional handling (especially with today's faster, more sensitive readers) I don't see why everyone is getting all righteous and finger-pointing. As for the original poster, I'd suggest getting a hold of the US "EXE" file and burning a CD using that - it'll work then. Cheers! John

As a backup copy - honestly, please don't start flaming me - I copied the European version of my GPL with no trouble at all. I used Yamaha 4416S and NERO 4.0.3 overburning onto a standard 74min CDR. Iain

Hmm.... More importantly for some. I'd rather have a GPL 2 any day :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 ________________________________________________________________________________ "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" (Calvin & Hobbes)

ICR3!!! -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >>Or more importantly Nascar3, or 4. >Hmm.... More importantly for some. I'd rather have a GPL 2 any day :-) >-- >Cheers! >Graeme Nash >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk >ICQ# 11257824 >___________________________________________________________________________ _____ > "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" > (Calvin & Hobbes)

Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time. -- Tony

Its not illegal or wrong to copy a CD you paid for. Its illegal and wrong to use that CD to give to someone else. I had a situation where I had a CD get scratched and I couldnt reload the software. It took me 7 weeks to get it replaced! There is NOTHING wrong with having a copy of software if you have paid for it. Distributing it is another story. Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott on TEN G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com High Gear "The View" Editor - http://www.simracingnews.com http://home.earthlink.net/~sbhusted ICQ# 4395450

The Patron Saint of Pirating is clogging your cache >Can anyone explain to me why I can't copy the GPL cd-rom? Even using a 700 >MB disk does not seem to solve the problem! >Any suggestions or am I doing something completely wrong? >PR essence

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> Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You > all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I > make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place > just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time. > -- > Tony

Yeah, right. And I've got a bridge for sale...

Another vote for ICR3!

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> ICR3!!! > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652 > RMRL #119 > >>Or more importantly Nascar3, or 4. > >Hmm.... More importantly for some. I'd rather have a GPL 2 any day :-) > >-- > >Cheers! > >Graeme Nash > >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > >ICQ# 11257824 > >___________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" > > (Calvin & Hobbes)

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What is an "average consumer" and why should this person be treated any differently to any other type of consumer? We do have the right to create one backup copy of any software that we purchase. If the copy protection that is being used now by Sierra (an others) prevents this then Sierra (and others) should include in their fine print words to the effect that they will supply us with a replacement CD at no cost to us in the event that the purchased item fails for ANY reason....and that includes being chewed by the dog. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >The thing you're doing that is completely wrong is trying to copy a >commercial CD-ROM. Despite all the excuses given, I think that if >CD-ROMs are stored and handled properly there is NO reason for an >average consumer to make 'safety copies'.

No it's not...and the word is "you're". -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Yes your doing something completely wrong. Copying is illegal.

I have a confession to make... Right now, in the other room, in the CD drive of my wife's computer, is a COPIED cd of JumpStart Baby. I made the copy the same day I bought the CD, before I even installed the game on the computer. When the FBI comes to my door to haul me off to prison for being a software pirate, I will have to tell them the same thing I am telling you: My soon-to-be two year old daughter loves to push the 'open' button on the CD drive on my wife's computer. In fact, she loves to push the 'open' buttons on both my regular CD drive and my CDRW, too, my computer is just harder to get at. Sometimes, is there is a CD in the drive (like perhaps Jumpstart Baby..because she is playing with it) and sometimes she takes the CD out. I don't know if the 2 year olds around your house understand the concept of "proper handling and storage", but mine doesn't. Her idea of proper handling and storage includes rubbing the CD on herself, on the desk, on the computer, on the monitor, on the floor and across the gritty kitchen floor, data side down. It also includes biting the CD, putting it in oatmeal or yogurt, leaving it around for one of the dogs to "investigate", pushing it under the refrigerator and once, even dropping it through the spaces between the planks on the 2nd floor deck so it fell to the concrete 12 feet below, where I found it about 3 days later. The original of that particular CD now hangs when it tries to read the disk because it has a bunch of deep scratches and divots on it, so I use the COPY I made to run the program I bought. Since I am aware that she does this, I copy all the CDs I buy as soon as I get them. I try not to leave CDs in the drives on any of the computers so as to minimize the chance that she will 'handle and store' them in her own special way. Who exactly am I ripping off by protecting my investment this way? I learned my lesson long ago with a new computer that had a funky floppy drive. I installed all of my favorite software on it, including Visual C+1.5, trueSpace 2, and a partition with OS/2 Warp, all using diskettes. The floppy drive ruined every diskette I put in it while it read them. Because I never copied the diskettes and installed from the originals, I lost all that software. I swore that would never happen again, and now it won't because I legally copy every CD I buy. CDs are nothing more than another form of data storage, and if it is and was legal to copy diskettes, it is legal to copy CDs. blah blah blah. daxe

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> > Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You > > all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I > > make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place > > just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time. > > -- > > Tony > Yeah, right. And I've got a bridge for sale...

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Whether or not it is legal to make a copy for the purpose described depends upon the individual license agreement for the software in question. Some are so specific to state that you must use the copy as the backup, and work from the original. In many cases it was illegal to copy diskettes for backup purposes too (from experience). Sometimes the license is worded to disallow backup and require you to repurchase software if original disks are damaged (Novell was once worded this way, for instance). I AM familiar with having a two year old that likes pushing buttons and walking off with the surprises found, and understand the situation. It does not, however, exempt you from the obligations of the software license for those titles from which copying is banned. Personally, I make a copy of all originals for which a copy is permitted, but once learned the hard way to check the license before starting up the CDRW drive (or the floppy drive at the time). Michael

By law you are allowed to do exactly that. The rule is there should be no instance where both the original and the copy are in use at the same time. I do exactly the same since my kids use my various computers and tend not to be the best at putting CD's away! P.S.......this didn't help when my duaghter's Barbir game couldn't be copied no matter which siftware I tried. Of course she ended up scrathing the orginal!

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> Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You > all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I > make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place > just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time. > -- > Tony

I do not have a cd-re'writer but I would think this sounds viable? Also why not back up your games/sims on tape? Its cheaper for me or is there something I am un-aware of with cd re'writers? Cheers Thom_j.

Suspension or pontoon? Size and how much? I make a backup of just about ALL of my CD's. What's so hard to believe about honest people protecting their investment?

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> > Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You > > all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I > > make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place > > just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time. > > -- > > Tony > Yeah, right. And I've got a bridge for sale...

I think you will find, In Australia anyway, that it doesn't matter what they claim on the licence. The Copyright law supercedes it and allows for the backup of program CD's and diskettes as long as there is no time when both the backup and original are in use at the same time. Remember back in the dim, dark ages when programs like DBase had copy counters on the diskettes! Everytime you installed it it removed a licence from the diskette. You had to then recover the licence from a PC if you were upgrading or whatever. Good idea until your hard disk crashed and the licence couldn't be recovered. I remember a very large Australian company going to court to protect their right to copy these diskettes, using a hardware bit copier. They won and that was way back in the early mid 80's.

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> Whether or not it is legal to make a copy for the purpose described depends > upon the individual license agreement for the software in question. Some > are so specific to state that you must use the copy as the backup, and work > from the original. In many cases it was illegal to copy diskettes for > backup purposes too (from experience). Sometimes the license is worded to > disallow backup and require you to repurchase software if original disks are > damaged (Novell was once worded this way, for instance). > I AM familiar with having a two year old that likes pushing buttons and > walking off with the surprises found, and understand the situation. It does > not, however, exempt you from the obligations of the software license for > those titles from which copying is banned. Personally, I make a copy of all > originals for which a copy is permitted, but once learned the hard way to > check the license before starting up the CDRW drive (or the floppy drive at > the time). > Michael > > Because I never copied the > > diskettes and installed from the originals, I lost all that software. I > swore > > that would never happen again, and now it won't because I legally copy > every CD > > I buy. CDs are nothing more than another form of data storage, and if it > is and > > was legal to copy diskettes, it is legal to copy CDs.

Well if you buy CDs in bulk then you can get them for about $1 a CD so its not really a big deal and less the hassle of having to transfer all the data back on to your hard drive, etc... -- Tony Wyss, Editor-in-Chief Gamers Alliance Sports www.ga-sports.com ------------------------------- Network Developer Gamers Alliance, Inc. www.gagames.com ------------------------------- "I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player" - John Kruk

now you know why they didn't sell many copies of GPL :) -- Cheers -Lindsay (remove "nunspam" to mail me) > Another vote for ICR3! > > ICR3!!! > > -- > > Kirk Lane > > ICQ: 28171652 > > RMRL #119 > > >>Or more importantly Nascar3, or 4. > > >Hmm.... More importantly for some. I'd rather have a GPL 2 any day :-) > > >-- > > >Cheers! > > >Graeme Nash > > >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > > >ICQ# 11257824 >___________________________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > > "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" > > > (Calvin & Hobbes) > -- > _ , ,----, > ______________ _._ .___(_)|\=-n---_._\____| ____________ > _./ _ \"-,---------,--/ _ \// > Kevin Lee ,-=,( (_) ) | HONDA | ( (_) ) Go Franchitti ! > '---'-\___/--'---------'--\___/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You probably can't install or play a game from a tape drive, so the backup would be pretty useless. A lot of CDs need a CD to be in the drive, etc. You also might be unaware that you don't need a CD re-writer to burn CDs, just to 'erase' and re-write CDs already burned on the drive. It took me the longest time to tell helpful but clueless friends that I didn't need all their commercial CDs they got from AOL, etc. because I couldn't erase them and (re)write over them. daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

How much and what type? -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Yeah, right. And I've got a bridge for sale...

Tony, I fully agree with you. I just put a simple question but nobody gives me an answer! Instead a whole discussion is being released about the m***of copying ... Strange. I suspect nobody knows the answer! >> Why is everyone assuming this guy is burning illegal copies of the game? You >> all say to support Papy and all that stuff but that doesn't mean he isn't. I >> make backup copies of all my favorite games and store them in a safe place >> just because I _always_ misplace a CD for a decent amount of time. >> -- >> Tony

Don't know what you are on about! Why don't you refer to my reply earlier (4 June) about how easily I backed up the European version of GPL? Keep an eye on the thread! Iain

Hmmm..... I'm from Europe, had I not installed the game crack, I would need my CD to play GPL.... Okay Monday morning I get up to find my CD has been eaten by my dog, I send to Sierra UK for another CD, lets say 2 days postage.... ok, Sierra recieve my enquiry, and put it in a little tray marked "To Do." It sits there, for between 2 days, to a month, however long Sierra see fit. Ok so now Sierra organise something, something needs to be sent to stores, and sent back, then stores despatch my CD..... Two days postage.... HOW LONG MUST I LIVE WITHOUT GPL??? Jeez man, give it up, if he ain't selling it, what the hell does it matter? MY GOD!!! I know for one that living with no GPL is no fit life for a man. Besides.... If he makes his own copy, Sierra won't need to spend the money on the CD, hence - they make n3 *HINT HINT HINT - to papy* Cheers! -- Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________ > What is an "average consumer" and why should this person be treated any > differently to any other type of consumer? > We do have the right to create one backup copy of any software that we > purchase. If the copy protection that is being used now by Sierra (an > others) prevents this then Sierra (and others) should include in their fine > print words to the effect that they will supply us with a replacement CD at > no cost to us in the event that the purchased item fails for ANY > reason....and that includes being chewed by the dog. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >The thing you're doing that is completely wrong is trying to copy a > >commercial CD-ROM. Despite all the excuses given, I think that if > >CD-ROMs are stored and handled properly there is NO reason for an > >average consumer to make 'safety copies'.

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>Whether or not it is legal to make a copy for the purpose described depends >upon the individual license agreement for the software in question. Some >are so specific to state that you must use the copy as the backup, and work >from the original. In many cases it was illegal to copy diskettes for >backup purposes too (from experience). Sometimes the license is worded to >disallow backup and require you to repurchase software if original disks are >damaged (Novell was once worded this way, for instance).

Excuse me, but no license agreement can take away a right under law which is protected (at least in the UK) to make one backup of any computer software, which may only be installed on one machine at a time. Z. Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

Err.....Tim...if you re-read what I posted you'll see that I *AGREE* that we are legally allowed to copy!! -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Jeez man, give it up, if he ain't selling it, what the hell does it matter?

> We do have the right to create one backup copy of any software that we > purchase. If the copy protection that is being used now by Sierra (an > others) prevents this then Sierra (and others) should include in their fine > print words to the effect that they will supply us with a replacement CD at > no cost to us in the event that the purchased item fails for ANY > reason....and that includes being chewed by the dog. It would be helpful if they did this. A friend of mine could not get his Colin McRae Rally to work after a while because of the CD scratches, and Codemasters (the publisher) would NOT replace it even for a nominal charge. They told him to take it back to the retailer! Thats really going to make him think twice about buying their games in future. Incidently, the GPL copy protection is such that I cannot install it either from the CD recorder on my main machine, nor from a CD drive on a networked machine. This I need to do if my CD drive on my main machine stops working (which it seems to do occasionally). Paul. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nortel, London Road, Harlow, Essex. CM17 9NA

I can totally appreciate Sierra (and others, of course) wishing to protect their considerable investment in preventing the unauthorised and illegal distribution of software pirated from their products. However, I cannot subscribe to a "Catch 22" situation being in place which allows us to make a backup, and even install from it, but not play the game with it! I suppose that the only way around this is to "ghost" your game directory to a Gold CD as soon as you've installed it. . Okay...that saves the data being lost if the dog chomps the CD but it still doesn't get around having to insert the original in order to play the game. Unless you've run a crack that does away with the need to insert the CD. Which brings us back to where we started!! :o) -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet ===============================================

Re cd copy or no cd patch, I have a AMD K6-2 333 & it will not run F1RS it just sits there, If I use the no cd patch it works ok, when I had a intel cpu in the same motherboard it ran from the cd ok, why? I emailed both UBISOFT & AMD no response as yet. No other changes were made, I runs on my P166mmx ok but not the AMD. > Err.....Tim...if you re-read what I posted you'll see that I *AGREE* that we

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> are legally allowed to copy!! > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >Jeez man, give it up, if he ain't selling it, what the hell does it

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>Yes your doing something completely wrong. Copying is illegal. >> Can anyone explain to me why I can't copy the GPL cd-rom? Even using a >700 >> MB disk does not seem to solve the problem! >> Any suggestions or am I doing something completely wrong?

No, copying is NOT illegal. Copying to give to someone ELSE is illegal. There's a (slight) difference... :) Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

There is a form of copy protection that renders CD's uncopyable. However, I have heard that Nero is capable of copying some discs that ECDCD can't copy. Might be worth it to download the demo and try it. -Larry

Watch out for the really cheap '50 or 100 on a spindle' CDR blanks. Some of that stuff is getting pretty ***. Personally, I think the new 1X2X4X6X8X TDK's are the cat's meow... -Larry > Well if you buy CDs in bulk then you can get them for about $1 a CD so its > not really a big deal and less the hassle of having to transfer all the data > back on to your hard drive, etc...

It's also handy to compile more than one game on one play CD. Less CD's to mess with. I can put the original's back in the box up on the shelf and not have to worry about them getting damaged... -Larry

Can you explain what Overburning is? I don't seem to recall that one :) Thanks! -Larry > As a backup copy - honestly, please don't start flaming me - I copied the > European version of my GPL with no trouble at all. I used Yamaha 4416S and > NERO 4.0.3 overburning onto a standard 74min CDR.

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Same for Europe, as far as I know Jens <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

Good spelling in my last message.....must of been the large amount of port I consumed prior to logging in.....

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> There is a form of copy protection that renders CD's uncopyable. > However, I have heard that Nero is capable of copying some discs that > ECDCD can't copy. > Might be worth it to download the demo and try it. > -Larry > > P.S.......this didn't help when my duaghter's Barbir game couldn't be > > copied no matter which siftware I tried. Of course she ended up scrathing > > the orginal!

That's the spirit! A man who is big enough to admit his tragic spelling errors. Now, if we can just get you to say "must have" instead of "must of", we will be getting somewhere. :o) ~daxe

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> > Good spelling in my last message.....must of been the large amount of port I > > consumed prior to logging in..... > That's the spirit! A man who is big enough to admit his tragic spelling errors. > Now, if we can just get you to say "must have" instead of "must of", we will > be getting somewhere. > :o)

I just imagined the horror of having you work at the reception of an emergency room. "Sir, I can't accept your application for treatment: Nife is spelled knife, and fourhead is spelled forehead, and please stop messing up the place with your *** dropping off the knife stuck in your forehead!!!" ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Funny thing is, I am not the least bit ***in person. I am usually the one trying to get people to relax. I do, however, occasionally correct language errors in persons I think have a chance of retaining the information. The terminally stupid I let blither on sounding like the dunces they are. Moo, ~daxe PS...the *** would be dripping, not "dropping" :o)

I must have missed that grammar class!

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> > Good spelling in my last message.....must of been the large amount of port I > > consumed prior to logging in..... > That's the spirit! A man who is big enough to admit his tragic spelling errors. > Now, if we can just get you to say "must have" instead of "must of", we will > be getting somewhere. > :o) > ~daxe

LOL! -Larry

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> Good spelling in my last message.....must of been the large amount of port > I > > consumed prior to logging in..... > > That's the spirit! A man who > is big enough to admit his tragic spelling errors. > Now, if we can just > get you to say "must have" instead of "must of", we will > be getting > somewhere. > > :o) > I just imagined the horror of having you work at the reception of an > emergency room. > "Sir, I can't accept your application for treatment: Nife is spelled > knife, and fourhead is spelled forehead, and please stop messing up the > place with your *** dropping off the knife stuck in your forehead!!!" > ;^) > l8er ronny > -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases > <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. > ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > screaming their heads off!

Wouldn't do any good working on an IT Helpdesk then!

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> > I just imagined the horror of having you work at the reception of an emergency > > room. > > "Sir, I can't accept your application for treatment: Nife is spelled knife, > > and fourhead is spelled forehead, and please stop messing up the place with > > your *** dropping off the knife stuck in your forehead!!!" > Funny thing is, I am not the least bit ***in person. I am usually the one > trying to get people to relax. I do, however, occasionally correct language > errors in persons I think have a chance of retaining the information. The > terminally stupid I let blither on sounding like the dunces they are. > Moo, > ~daxe > PS...the *** would be dripping, not "dropping" :o)