If you own a Logitech FF wheel, can you tell me if it is possible to run
the wheel without the pedals being attached? I got info from Dave
Thomas Jr at Thomas Enterprises as to how I could rewire my TSW2 pedals
so they plug right into the game port without the wheel.
My goal would be to then plug a Logitech FF wheel into the USB port
(without the pedals). I don't have a lot of room, and don't want to
have two set's of pedals under my desk. Any info would be appreciated!
David L. Cook
I don't see an easy solution, David. The power pack of the Formula
Force plugs into the pedals.
I presume it feeds the wheel motor by backfeeding it from the
serial/USB junction where the pedal/wheel cables come together.
Tim
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>>If you own a Logitech FF wheel, can you tell me if it is possible to run >>the wheel without the pedals being attached? I got info from Dave >>Thomas Jr at Thomas Enterprises as to how I could rewire my TSW2 pedals >>so they plug right into the game port without the wheel. >I don't see an easy solution, David. The power pack of the Formula >Force plugs into the pedals. >I presume it feeds the wheel motor by backfeeding it from the >serial/USB junction where the pedal/wheel cables come together.WRONG.
As I stated earlier...there are two ways to do this.
1) You can plug both the LWFF and TSW2 wheel/pedal combos into the computer
with the LWFF through USB and TSW2 through the gameport. Configure and
calibrate both in Windows and in GPL and select the axises you wish to use
for the game. Pretty simply.
2) You can quite easily rewire the pedals. In fact, this is what I did with
my T2 pedals (which are superior to the LWFF pedals. :? And I would assume
that the TSW2 pedals are better yet.). Nonetheless, simply open up both
sets of pedals and note the diagrams necessary for both to work and then
move the LWFF wiring over to the TSW2. You may need to get some more wiring
and some of the slot connectors to go between the two pots, but it does work
without too much effort. When you are done you will have two sets of wires
coming out of the pedal unit...one is the power supply tail plug and the
other goes up to the wheel unit itself. Now, just calibrate the LWFF
normally as you would with the original pedals.
Hmmm. I may have to take a look at that wiring...
I would expect Logitech pedals to be on about the same level as the TM.
Problem is that I broke many springs on my old TM Nascar Pro. Since I got my
TSW2, I've never had a problem. Enter GPL 1.1 and Force Feedback. Now I have
a problem <g>.
I ordered the Wingman FF today from CompUSA for $119 and will have them
tomorrow. Can't wait! When is GPL 1.1 gonna be out?
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> >>If you own a Logitech FF wheel, can you tell me if it is possible to run > >>the wheel without the pedals being attached? I got info from Dave > >>Thomas Jr at Thomas Enterprises as to how I could rewire my TSW2 pedals > >>so they plug right into the game port without the wheel. > >I don't see an easy solution, David. The power pack of the Formula > >Force plugs into the pedals. > >I presume it feeds the wheel motor by backfeeding it from the > >serial/USB junction where the pedal/wheel cables come together. > Correct. There is no way to use the Logitech FF without having the pedals > connected. The best you could do is move them out of the way. I have > a better idea though. How about trying the logitech pedals and see if > it really makes a difference. I thought the logitech pedals would be > horrible, until I tried them. Now I find them no different than my > old TM T2 pedals in actual use. Some people may not be able to > get past the mental stage where they are not satisfied just because > they are there. If you know what I mean. > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] comThanks Chris,
I know you anwered a question like this for me before, but I wasn't clear in
that I did not want to have both pedals plugged in at the same time. The wiring
for these wheel/pedal controllers is really quite simple. I don't forsee even
the need to worry about pots, as I have a way to plug my TSW pedals into my game
port without the wheel.
As long as I can disconnect the pedals from the wheel on the Wingman and still
get power, I'll just plug the wheel into the USB port.
Thanks again. --David L. Cook
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> WRONG. > As I stated earlier...there are two ways to do this. > 1) You can plug both the LWFF and TSW2 wheel/pedal combos into the computer > with the LWFF through USB and TSW2 through the gameport. Configure and > calibrate both in Windows and in GPL and select the axises you wish to use > for the game. Pretty simply. > 2) You can quite easily rewire the pedals. In fact, this is what I did with > my T2 pedals (which are superior to the LWFF pedals. :? And I would assume > that the TSW2 pedals are better yet.). Nonetheless, simply open up both > sets of pedals and note the diagrams necessary for both to work and then > move the LWFF wiring over to the TSW2. You may need to get some more wiring > and some of the slot connectors to go between the two pots, but it does work > without too much effort. When you are done you will have two sets of wires > coming out of the pedal unit...one is the power supply tail plug and the > other goes up to the wheel unit itself. Now, just calibrate the LWFF > normally as you would with the original pedals. > > Correct. There is no way to use the Logitech FF without having the pedals > > connected. The best you could do is move them out of the way. I have > > a better idea though. How about trying the logitech pedals and see if > > it really makes a difference. I thought the logitech pedals would be > > horrible, until I tried them. Now I find them no different than my > > old TM T2 pedals in actual use. Some people may not be able to > > get past the mental stage where they are not satisfied just because > > they are there. If you know what I mean.>it really makes a difference. I thought the logitech pedals would be
>horrible, until I tried them. Now I find them no different than my
>old TM T2 pedals in actual use.
I agree. It just takes a bit of getting used to using the pedals with
your toes instead of your foot. But it's no less accurate.
Joe
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>WRONG. >As I stated earlier...there are two ways to do this. >1) You can plug both the LWFF and TSW2 wheel/pedal combos into the computer >with the LWFF through USB and TSW2 through the gameport. Configure and >calibrate both in Windows and in GPL and select the axises you wish to use >for the game. Pretty simply.>Thanks Chris,
>I know you anwered a question like this for me before, but I wasn't clear in
>that I did not want to have both pedals plugged in at the same time. The wiring
>for these wheel/pedal controllers is really quite simple. I don't forsee even
>the need to worry about pots, as I have a way to plug my TSW pedals into my game
>port without the wheel.
>As long as I can disconnect the pedals from the wheel on the Wingman and still
>get power, I'll just plug the wheel into the USB port.
The power to drive the force feedback wheel still comes from the
pedal base. This is where the power converter block plugs into the
unit. I guess you can rip that apart at scotch tape and *** band
something together. But you should seriously try the pedals first as
it sounds like you don't even have the wheel yet. If you rip it apart
to rewire it before you at least try the normal pedals you are a fool.
IMHO.
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>Hmmm. I may have to take a look at that wiring...
The 110-->20v logitech power transformer which drives the
Forcefeedback wheel plugs into the pedals as I sad in another
post. There is no way I see around this unless you wnat to void
your warranty. You at least will want to properly check your new
wheel out for the money back return period (I would think). You
cannot modify anything or you will vaiod that too. I seriously
suggest you try the Logitech pedals and do get so caught up
in the peer pressure. Then decide what is best *FOR YOU*,
not what someone on the internet thinks you should use :-)
I found them to be superior since the springs (coil) will not break.
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Greg,
I've decided to give the Logitech pedals a chance. I'm just having a
real problem putting that $200+ wheel that I just bought last November in
the closet. I thought that if I could get my TSW2 pedals to work with
the new wheel I would "feel" better about it. Plus they *are* very good.
Tonight I got my TSW2 pedals separated from my wheel. If I understand
it, I now have a 1-axis controller, right? Well, MS doesn't give me an
option for a single axis controller. I wonder how CH Pedals are
configured...
Anyways, after looking at the pdf doc (heck I'll have them tomorrow) of
the Wingman FF I'm seeing that they really pride themselves in what they
claim to be very realistic pedals. Guess I'll forget about that $200 and
give them a fair shake.
David L. Cook
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> >Hmmm. I may have to take a look at that wiring... > The 110-->20v logitech power transformer which drives the > Forcefeedback wheel plugs into the pedals as I sad in another > post. There is no way I see around this unless you wnat to void > your warranty. You at least will want to properly check your new > wheel out for the money back return period (I would think). You > cannot modify anything or you will vaiod that too. I seriously > suggest you try the Logitech pedals and do get so caught up > in the peer pressure. Then decide what is best *FOR YOU*, > not what someone on the internet thinks you should use :-) > >I would expect Logitech pedals to be on about the same level as the TM. > I found them to be superior since the springs (coil) will not break. > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com>Greg,
>I've decided to give the Logitech pedals a chance. I'm just having a
>real problem putting that $200+ wheel that I just bought last November in
>the closet. I thought that if I could get my TSW2 pedals to work with
>the new wheel I would "feel" better about it. Plus they *are* very good.
This is about what I thought :-) You could always sell the wheel if
you found that the Logitech does everything appropriately. I'm sure
many people here might be interested in it.
Correct. And I think this is a problem. You need basicaly (as I see it)
2 wheels/pedals attached to your PC. The analog stuff on ID#1 and
the Logitech USB (or serial) on ID#2. Then from within the game just
select the digital wheel and analog pedals. If you try to just have the
pedals plugged into the gameport you should always get a NOT
CONNECTED message in the Joystick application. Even a Custom
device still only has options for 2,3 or 4 axis.
You might as well try it. There is at least one other idiot (me) who
is somehow very satisfied with them. I am not even considering
screwing around with heavier springs either. I am just driving and
having tons of fun.
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>>Tonight I got my TSW2 pedals separated from my wheel. If I understand >>it, I now have a 1-axis controller, right? Well, MS doesn't give me an >>option for a single axis controller. I wonder how CH Pedals are >>configured... >Correct. And I think this is a problem. You need basicaly (as I see it) >2 wheels/pedals attached to your PC. The analog stuff on ID#1 and >the Logitech USB (or serial) on ID#2. Then from within the game just >select the digital wheel and analog pedals. If you try to just have the >pedals plugged into the gameport you should always get a NOT >CONNECTED message in the Joystick application. Even a Custom >device still only has options for 2,3 or 4 axis.>You can always use a program such as rbfix which creates a dummy axis.
>I am using some pedals from my old digital edge f1 sim wheel with my
>microsoft ff wheel using rbfix all from the single gameport on my
>sblive card.
Never heard of that one, but if it works then great!
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