Logitech FF centering: A good compromise?

The 3.20 beta drivers allow you to toggle centering tension in FF games. I've read the info that setting this too high will mask the feedback effects, but I hate the limp-noodle feeling of the wheel with it off. I messed around with the centering strength, and found 50% is the least centering strength I find tolerable. At 40%, I feel like *I'm* centering the wheel. That makes it feel less realistic than a conventional non-FF wheel. How are other Wingman owners dealing with this? My SCGT lap times suffer greatly when I have to manually center. With no weight/feel to the wheel, it's easy to over-compensate. =8^/ Tim -- http://www.users.fast.net/~fusion1 (dirt bikes, rat bikes, rental car abuse...)

>The 3.20 beta drivers allow you to toggle centering tension in FF >games. I've read the info that setting this too high will mask the >feedback effects, but I hate the limp-noodle feeling of the wheel >with it off. Hmmm. The MS FF wheel definately needed the centering ON. But I don't nitice that it is nessessary at all with the Logitech FF wheel. I still get a strong centering feeling. Yes when I enable centering in FF games, it is stronger, but I prefer it OFF. If you still insist on using centering for FF you may want to start with the center spring tension way down to say 25%. Opps I see you already messed with that. Well if I were to use centering with FF games I would do the above. I use no FF centering. I have gotten 46sec laps at limerock in the demo. What are your lap times at limerock? Also what are your other wheel settings? I have the overall effects set to 130%, Spring 100% and dampening set to 130%. I really find it surprising you are not feeling a centering feel with the wheel. I do and when I let my racing buddy check it out the other day, he thought it was awesome. If there was a lack of centering I he would have complained. He commented how accurate and awesome the wheel felt. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

I have centering at 75% Overall effects - 80% Spring effect - 80% Damper effect - 100% BobM

>I have centering at 75% >Overall effects - 80% >Spring effect - 80% >Damper effect - 100% And with these settings do you feel the wheel loosen up as the front's tires lose grip? That is probably the number one thing that FF would be great for in racing games/sims. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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>I have gotten 46sec laps at limerock in the demo. What are your >lap times at limerock? Also what are your other wheel settings? >I have the overall effects set to 130%, Spring 100% and dampening >set to 130%. I really find it surprising you are not feeling a centering >feel with the wheel. I do and when I let my racing buddy check it out >the other day, he thought it was awesome. If there was a lack of >centering I he would have complained. He commented how accurate >and awesome the wheel felt.

50% centering, 100% everything else. Maybe turning the dampening up over 100% will help. I'm not sure what my best time was in the demo. I just did a few laps at Lime Rock. I did 49.xx with the GT3 911, and 43-something with the GTR Coupe. Don't know which car you were using, but it sounds like your lap times are probably faster than mine, in general. Tim

>Don't know which car you were using, but it sounds like your lap times >are probably faster than mine, in general. I'm not sure yet either. But it was the kick-ass Visteon car from the demo. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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> >I have centering at 75% > >Overall effects - 80% > >Spring effect - 80% > >Damper effect - 100% > And with these settings do you feel the wheel loosen up as the > front's tires lose grip? That is probably the number one thing that > FF would be great for in racing games/sims.

Yes. Viper Racing is the only FF I use. I set these parameters in and for Viper to react exactly like that. I don't want FF to knock my arms off, I only want to "feel" the car. Viper is pretty good for FF. Of course there are games that would require more, but in this case you probably want to be jerked around for the fun of it. I'm sure GPL FF will be done well. With the proper FF wheel setup it should add to the sense of "being there".