probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
Newcomer says GPL physics are wrong; regulars push back
G Kuche complained that GPL cars lose grip at 40 mph, arguing no real car behaves that way and citing his 20 years as a taxi driver. Regulars replied that 1967 F1 cars on narrow tyres with no aids really were tricky, that perception without g-forces makes it seem wrong, and that persistence pays off. The exchange included insults, a sock-puppet exposure of 'Griffin' and 'Phoenix' posting from the same host, and a tangent on the Star Wars pod race.
physics/realism debateGrand Prix Legends
Automated summary.
Poor G, You must realize that GPL is far superior to any other pc sim in terms of
it's driving physics model. This of course means it is much more difficult than
other sims. Me for example, I can run N2 at 105-110 % and come through the pack to
win but GPL is still after 8 months a ***. It took me several weeks before I
could get around the track with any speed at all and now turn very competitive
times. I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as satisfying
in the reward for good driving. You should keep driving GPL for a few weeks then
pronounce your decision. I for one am bummed that N3 is so far off in the future.
JM
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> probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > > Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar sim. > > I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator by > > modifying GPL. > > Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download > > all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some > > new masterpieces. > > The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to get > > right, but the > > knowledge must be out there.LOL
I nominate this for the "Message of the year" award.
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-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Once again, its not necessarily the physics of the sim, but its the cars
that are a *** to drive. Sure, some of its the more detailed physics
model that requires a bit more skill, but those cars even in a N2 physics
engine would still be a pain to drive.
> Poor G, You must realize that GPL is far superior to any other pc sim in terms of
> it's driving physics model. This of course means it is much more difficult than
> other sims. Me for example, I can run N2 at 105-110 % and come through the pack to
> win but GPL is still after 8 months a ***. It took me several weeks before I
> could get around the track with any speed at all and now turn very competitive
> times. I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as satisfying
> in the reward for good driving. You should keep driving GPL for a few weeks then
> pronounce your decision. I for one am bummed that N3 is so far off in the future.
sim.
> > > I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator by
> > > modifying GPL.
> > > Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
> > > all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some
> > > new masterpieces.
> > > The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to get
> > > right, but the
> > > knowledge must be out there.
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> JM > > probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > > weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > > I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > > even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > > you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > > > Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next NascarOn Tue, 25 May 1999 00:35:18 +1000, "Stephen Colbourne"
>Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
>all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some
>new masterpieces.
A good company will never rely on the internet for patching their
products later on.
It's the age old debate as to whether computer games should be
released when they're finished, or in time for Christmas?
I say, would you accept to see the new Star Wars film if they told you
they were going to cut it half way, and that you would have to come
back in a few months time to see the rest of it?
Phoenix
"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846
>probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
>weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
>I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
>even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
>you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
Are you speaking of GPL?
Stick with Daytona USA and Ultimate Race Pro if you can't handle GPL.
;-)
Phoenix
"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846
Well I know I would ;-)
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
I really must agree.
Until GPL, Nascar Racing 2 felt to me like the most brilliant of
simulators available. Everything about it felt 'right', at the time.
Since GPL however, Nascar Racing 2 seems less like a true simulator
and more like an arcade game, in that it can not give me the same
trills it used to.
GPL was released around 7 or 8 months ago [right?], but still wipes
the floor with even the newest competition.
The GPL engine not being used for N3 is a grave disapointment, but
it's perfectly understandable why they can not use it.
Phoenix
"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846
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>>I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as satisfying >>in the reward for good driving. You should keep driving GPL for a few weeks then >>pronounce your decision. I for one am bummed that N3 is so far off in the future. >I really must agree. >Until GPL, Nascar Racing 2 felt to me like the most brilliant of >simulators available. Everything about it felt 'right', at the time. >Since GPL however, Nascar Racing 2 seems less like a true simulator >and more like an arcade game, in that it can not give me the same >trills it used to. >GPL was released around 7 or 8 months ago [right?], but still wipes >the floor with even the newest competition. >The GPL engine not being used for N3 is a grave disapointment, but >it's perfectly understandable why they can not use it. >Phoenix >"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" > ICQ# 39578846I assume you're not a Star Wars fan then?
Phoenix
"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846
guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no
car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of
physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no
tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no
matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try
and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40
mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where
in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY
CAR...that behaves like that???
you wont...end of story....
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> It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly. > It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit. > However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and physics > model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment. > They all feel lifeless. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > >> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar > sim. > >> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator > by > >> modifying GPL. > >> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download > >> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create > some > >> new masterpieces. > >> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to > get > >> right, but the > >> knowledge must be out there.Well, I was getting a little bored just sitting around waiting for the 1.1
patch. This one ought to liven up the next few days, huh?
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>guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no >car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of >physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no >tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no >matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try >and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40 >mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where >in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY >CAR...that behaves like that??? >you wont...end of story....Quoted text (9 lines)
> > probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > > weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > > I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > > even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > > you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > LOL > I nominate this for the "Message of the year" award.>Once again, its not necessarily the physics of the sim, but its the cars
>that are a *** to drive. Sure, some of its the more detailed physics
>model that requires a bit more skill, but those cars even in a N2 physics
>engine would still be a pain to drive.
Ahhh but there's the rub... We could probably find guys who could
warp the 3do shapes into Winston Cup cars, but they would still drive
like 67 F1 machines. While Papy is very supportive of graphic
patches that extend gameplay and sales of it's products...it gets
rather testy when folks try to alter the code. Thus, while the Touring Cars
in the TPTCC patch, look smaller and sleeker, they are still saddled with
a 4 speed gearbox and rear wheel drive. Getting Papy to agree to let
someone change the basic #'s in GPL to approximate a WC car would
probably be fruitless.
dave henrie
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On May 17, 1999 A Whale was killed off the coast of
Washington State. The Whale was killed in the name of
Tradition.....I say....
%&#& Tradition!
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>>The GPL engine not being used for N3 is a grave disapointment, but >>it's perfectly understandable why they can not use it. >>Phoenix >>"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" >> ICQ# 39578846 >Griffin, why are you still copying my name and signature? >Phoenix >"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" > ICQ# 39578846Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar sim.
I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator by
modifying GPL.
Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some
new masterpieces.
The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to get
right, but the
knowledge must be out there.
It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly.
It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit.
However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and physics
model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment.
They all feel lifeless.
--
Best regards,
Bruce.
======
The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff!
http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet
===============================================
>probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
>weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
>I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
>even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
>you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
>> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar
sim.
>> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator
by
>> modifying GPL.
>> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
>> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create
some
>> new masterpieces.
>> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to
get
>> right, but the
>> knowledge must be out there.
Clearly, GPL is a game that takes a lot of preparation, practice and
perserverance.
Then, if you're lucky, after all the hard work, you can get the game to
install and run properly.
Because so many people worship at the altar of GPL in this newsgroup I
thought i'd drag out an old demo and give it another go - without much luck.
Were there a lot of problems with the demo? I have a humble P200mmx with
voodoobanshee.
I assume I made the Top10 biggest French Star Wars fans by a French
Magaizine up here in Qubec :)
I saw about 25minutes of the movie in pre-production back in 1998 FYI ;-)
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
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>guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no >car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of >physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no >tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no >matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try >and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40 >mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where >in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY >CAR...that behaves like that??? >you wont...end of story....Quoted text (18 lines)
>Clearly, GPL is a game that takes a lot of preparation, practice and >perserverance. >Then, if you're lucky, after all the hard work, you can get the game to >install and run properly. >Because so many people worship at the altar of GPL in this newsgroup I >thought i'd drag out an old demo and give it another go - without much luck. >Were there a lot of problems with the demo? I have a humble P200mmx with >voodoobanshee. >> probably because they realized the same thing I did over the >> weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! >> I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant >> even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on >> you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!Try a little experiment, get in your roadcar, drive to the nearest
roundabout and try to go around it at 40 mph, if you manage that find a
smaller roundabout, you will lose grip.
Alternatively try driving at 40 mph in a straight line and alter your course
to the left then immediately to the right.
Bear in mind also that a roadcar is designed to be very stable compared to a
racecar.
BTW dont try it where there are other road users or hard objects to hit, or
it will be a very expensive experiment :)
--
Ian Parker
ICQ 21772592
> guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no
> car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of
> physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no
> tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no
> matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try
> and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40
> mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where
> in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY
> CAR...that behaves like that???
> you wont...end of story....
> > It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly.
> > It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit.
> > However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and
physics
> > model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment.
> > They all feel lifeless.
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Bruce.
> > ======
> > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff!
> > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet
> > ===============================================
> > >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
> > >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
> > >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
> > >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
> > >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
> > >> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next
Nascar
> > sim.
> > >> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar
simulator
> > by
> > >> modifying GPL.
> > >> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then
download
> > >> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to
create
> > some
> > >> new masterpieces.
> > >> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult
to
> > get
> > >> right, but the
> > >> knowledge must be out there.
>> I assume you're not a Star Wars fan then?
>I assume I made the Top10 biggest French Star Wars fans by a French
>Magaizine up here in Qubec :)
>I saw about 25minutes of the movie in pre-production back in 1998 FYI ;-)
Ace!
How did you accomplish this, however?
Phoenix
"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846
funny....i'm looking at my sim collection...i dont see either one
there......and as far as driving is concerned....i'd probably wipe your
real life ***in anything with 4 wheels and a gas
pedal.....probably?...no...let me re-phrase that.....i'd bet on
it......(what do you expect from a turkey that doesnt have the balls to
use his real e-mail address?.....nothing but hot air and a lot of
neanderthal meanderings into the lobby of plagiarism)
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> >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > Are you speaking of GPL? > Stick with Daytona USA and Ultimate Race Pro if you can't handle GPL. > ;-) > Phoenix > "Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" > ICQ# 39578846On Tue, 25 May 1999 02:27:10 +0100, "Ian Parker"
Good point.
This example would show that even road cars, which as you pointed out
are designed to be very stable, can lose all grip by turning a sharp
even once.
And concidering that GPL cars didn't even have ABS, Traction Control,
etc, I think they did pretty well to even begin moving off the line.
Phoenix
"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846
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>Try a little experiment, get in your roadcar, drive to the nearest >roundabout and try to go around it at 40 mph, if you manage that find a >smaller roundabout, you will lose grip. >Alternatively try driving at 40 mph in a straight line and alter your course >to the left then immediately to the right. >Bear in mind also that a roadcar is designed to be very stable compared to a >racecar.1) By having a Collection worth over 3000$ in my house
2) By actually winning a prize of being able to talk to LucasFilm LTD
representative
3) Actually knowing people working for that magazine (hehe)
FYI, The Pod Race in TPM I will say is better than any race in movie
history. Yes -even- the races in the movie Grand Prix. Heck now we can
connect Star Wars to racing :)
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
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-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Okay, try NOT spinning it, you might like it then.
--
Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
________________________________________________
Tim Wheatley
"Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
http://start.at/igps_stats
IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver
http://drive.to/grandprixlegends
http://website.lineone.net/~nascar
________________________________________________
Don't forget Fran?ois Mnard we're only 1/2 way thru 1999..lol ;0)
Cheers Thom_j.
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> > probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > > weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > > I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > > even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > > you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > LOL > I nominate this for the "Message of the year" award. > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."I agree with Tim.. We spin & don't spin all the time online
& we aint doin' no 40mph either. We're doin' atleast 45!
on our best days..lol Just jokin'.. But I agree with Tim!!
Thom_j.
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> Okay, try NOT spinning it, you might like it then. > -- > Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley > ________________________________________________ > Tim Wheatley > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > http://start.at/igps_stats > IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar > ________________________________________________well if you must know......i've driven a taxi for the past 20
years...thru all conditions.....i must have at, the very moderate
estimation,over 2 million miles...mostly in the city...stop and
go....under my belt.and in those 2 million miles or so....i've yet to
lose grip of any kind at 40 mph on dry pavement...even in tires i should
have not been driving on...less than 1/32 of an inch of tread...(yea
yea..i know...heh heh)....and i'm talkin police interceptors here
guys......they make most of our fleet up due to thier hard-core heavy
duty chassis and durable nature.....and in even icy roads i've held grip
at that speed....so in a game like GPL..where you are on DRY pavement
and no throttle(coasting into the corner)and with no brakes ,it really
makes you wonder if this game is all it's cracked up to be when it comes
to spouting off it's realism.
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> >guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no > >car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of > >physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no > >tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no > >matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try > >and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40 > >mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where > >in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY > >CAR...that behaves like that??? > >you wont...end of story.... > I really can not agree with this one bit. It's very possible indeed > for cars to behave the way they do in GPL, and unless you have driven > a 1967 F1 car, none of us are actually going to know just how > true-to-life the cars in GPL are. > I do know however, that with the wrong set of tyres, any sports car > can have as much grip as a layer of ice! > Have you ever seen an F1 cars using slick tires in heavy rain? I > have... the driver barely made it out of the pit lane. > When I used to race go cars, we were short of money at one point and > used grass tyres on concrete one day. I've never driven anything quite > so slippery! > :-) > I wouldn't say that the cars in GPL slip on the roads, because they > don't. It's only when you put your foot down that the wheels lose > traction, and of you go. > Phoenix > "Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life" > ICQ# 39578846> well if you must know......i've driven a taxi for the past 20
> years...thru all conditions.....i must have at, the very moderate
> estimation,over 2 million miles...mostly in the city...stop and
> go....under my belt.and in those 2 million miles or so....i've yet to
> lose grip of any kind at 40 mph on dry pavement...even in tires i should
<snip>
You got a limited slip diff on yer cab? The old non-computer controlled type?
:-)
Matt
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Matthew Birger Knutsen
Cheek Racing Cars
[link lost in import]
GPL is definetly NOT too hard to learn. Proof: I learned to drive it
:) Anyone with a proper wheel and a good system WILL be able to enjoy
GPL given he/she dedicates enough time learning the handling and is
more or less interested in old Formula One cars.
'Nuff said.
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> guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no > car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of > physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no > tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no > matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try > and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40 > mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where > in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY > CAR...that behaves like that??? > you wont...end of story....What corner specifically? If your driving poorly enough or the setup
is bad enough, spinning at 40mph is no worries!
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> guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no > car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of > physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no > tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no > matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try > and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40 > mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where > in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY > CAR...that behaves like that??? > you wont...end of story.... > > It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly. > > It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit. > > However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and physics > > model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment. > > They all feel lifeless. > > -- > > Best regards, > > Bruce. > > ====== > > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > > =============================================== > > >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the > > >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!! > > >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant > > >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on > > >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!! > > >> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar > > sim. > > >> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator > > by > > >> modifying GPL. > > >> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download > > >> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create > > some > > >> new masterpieces. > > >> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to > > get > > >> right, but the > > >> knowledge must be out there.I can really see the similarity between a taxi driver in a 3000lb +
car in mega traffic conditions and a 67 F1 car piloted by a race driver
....kerrrrrrrrrr PLONK!
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> well if you must know......i've driven a taxi for the past 20 > years...thru all conditions.....i must have at, the very moderate > estimation,over 2 million miles...mostly in the city...stop and > go....under my belt.and in those 2 million miles or so....i've yet to > lose grip of any kind at 40 mph on dry pavement...even in tires i should > have not been driving on...less than 1/32 of an inch of tread...(yea > yea..i know...heh heh)....and i'm talkin police interceptors here > guys......they make most of our fleet up due to thier hard-core heavy > duty chassis and durable nature.....and in even icy roads i've held grip > at that speed....so in a game like GPL..where you are on DRY pavement > and no throttle(coasting into the corner)and with no brakes ,it really > makes you wonder if this game is all it's cracked up to be when it comes > to spouting off it's realism.LOL. Really gets to ya when ya can't kid yourself your Dale Earnhart
in 5 mins don't it!
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> funny....i'm looking at my sim collection...i dont see either one > there......and as far as driving is concerned....i'd probably wipe your > real life ***in anything with 4 wheels and a gas > pedal.....probably?...no...let me re-phrase that.....i'd bet on > it......(what do you expect from a turkey that doesnt have the balls to > use his real e-mail address?.....nothing but hot air and a lot of > neanderthal meanderings into the lobby of plagiarism)>FYI, The Pod Race in TPM I will say is better than any race in movie
>history. Yes -even- the races in the movie Grand Prix. Heck now we can
>connect Star Wars to racing :)
Even better then Le Mans?
Remco
Sorry mate....you're about 12 months too late with this
observation.....we've had it all back in 1998.
Doesn't matter how inaccurate it is....it is still **MORE* accurate than any
other sim to date.
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>guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no
>car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of
>physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no
>tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no
>matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try
>and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40
>mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where
>in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY
>CAR...that behaves like that???
>you wont...end of story....
>> It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly.
>> It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit.
>> However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and
physics
>> model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment.
>> They all feel lifeless.
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>> Bruce.
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>> >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
>> >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
>> >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
>> >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
>> >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
>> >> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar
>> sim.
>> >> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar
simulator
>> by
>> >> modifying GPL.
>> >> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then
download
>> >> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to
create
>> some
>> >> new masterpieces.
>> >> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult
to
>> get
>> >> right, but the
>> >> knowledge must be out there.
Mate, my 1949 MGTC, on 19"diameter x 4" section cross-ply tyres, will do a
4-wheel drift through a round-about at **30** mph.
So PLEASE..........don't get overly e***d with your protestations. These
things *DO* occur.
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>guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no
>car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of
>physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no
>tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no
>matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try
>and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40
>mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where
>in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY
>CAR...that behaves like that???
>you wont...end of story....
>> It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly.
>> It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit.
>> However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and
physics
>> model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment.
>> They all feel lifeless.
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>> Bruce.
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>> >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
>> >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
>> >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
>> >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
>> >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
>> >> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar
>> sim.
>> >> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar
simulator
>> by
>> >> modifying GPL.
>> >> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then
download
>> >> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to
create
>> some
>> >> new masterpieces.
>> >> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult
to
>> get
>> >> right, but the
>> >> knowledge must be out there.
A trolling we will go!
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>funny....i'm looking at my sim collection...i dont see either one
>there......and as far as driving is concerned....i'd probably wipe your
>real life ***in anything with 4 wheels and a gas
>pedal.....probably?...no...let me re-phrase that.....i'd bet on
>it......(what do you expect from a turkey that doesnt have the balls to
>use his real e-mail address?.....nothing but hot air and a lot of
>neanderthal meanderings into the lobby of plagiarism)
>> >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
>> >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
>> >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
>> >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
>> >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!
>> Are you speaking of GPL?
>> Stick with Daytona USA and Ultimate Race Pro if you can't handle GPL.
>> ;-)
>> Phoenix
>> "Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
>> ICQ# 39578846
>well if you must know......i've driven a taxi for the past 20
Well, that ***y explains it!!
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>Griffin, why are you still copying my name and signature?
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Split personality eh? ;)
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Frankly, the pod race looked like NFS3 airborne. Bet they didn't spin
out at 40 mph ! How long until Lucas Arts hits the street with Star
Wars Pod Racing? Will any of us that have been spoiled by GPL
experience want to buy it? Stay tuned.......
can
> connect Star Wars to racing :)
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> > How did you accomplish this, however? > 1) By having a Collection worth over 3000$ in my house > 2) By actually winning a prize of being able to talk to LucasFilm LTD > representative > 3) Actually knowing people working for that magazine (hehe) > FYI, The Pod Race in TPM I will say is better than any race in movie > history. Yes -even- the races in the movie Grand Prix. Heck now weSpin out at 40mph ? Uh did you actually see the movie ;) ? They go around
5-600mph. How can they spin also ? What the heck are you talking about ?
;-)
There is already a game released btw Terry. Star Wars : Episode 1 Racer.
It's an excellent arcade game. Excellent. FYI some tracks are modeled from
real-life ones ;) I laughed at the Laguna Seca track map in the
Interstellar series. N64 and PC by LucasArts.
If you want GPL'esque, don't buy it. But it has a great game engine.
Incredible speed. With patience you will learn to, and as Qui-Gon would
say.. "Feel, don't think". It goes so fast that it's the only way to be
good. One if not the best arcade racer on the market, with Powerslide and
DeathKarz (that last one is so under-rated IMHO).
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For Cinematography, yes. For action, yes. For pure fun, yes. But Le Mans
is long. I mean it takes alot of movie time (the actual race), compared to
the 12minutes of the Race sequence in the movie. The use of the virtual
camera is incredible in TPM.
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Looked like they only spin when they come unglued - yeah, I saw it.
GPL notwithstanding, my reflexes are not what they were 40 years ago.
Every time I try the "Feel, don't think" process, before long
it's "Game over, man, game over!!". I haven't won a GPL race yet, but
it is still a tremendous challenge and lot of fun. Tried Powerslide
once, but it just did not "click" with me. To each his own, I guess!!
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LOL ;-)
Well, I think it's why I like it so much. I think in GPL, I feel in E1 -
Racer. Both are probably the opposite of each other, but it doesn't mean
Episode 1 - Racer is bad. No not at all ! It's extremely complex and IMHO
takes itself very seriously for a arcade-type racer. No weapons, no
power-ups, none of that stuff. LucasArts indeed created a serious world for
this. When your going at 600mph+ down tight courses, you have this great
sense of being on the edge. Really "on the edge". It's a great feeling,
probably one of the best thing a game can make you feel (GPL at the opposite
does it also).
The sound is probably the best I have ever heard in any game, any type.
Great music by John Williams, with unused part directly in the movie and not
found on the Star Wars original motion picture soundtrack. Different sound
for each Pod (22 in total), with great 3d-spatial effects, and voice..
plenty of voice, 200megs of voice ! ;-D
The physics are great. Im amazed at the game engine and how they created
the whole complex "Pod" as a entity itself, with the whole modeling of both
engines (One pod has a single engine, others have 4, etc..) the pod behind
it (one of them is up-front), and the metal poles. Both the movie producers
and the game programmers worked aside to help each other's here btw.
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Yves, if Microsoft puts out a demo or if a buddy buys it I guess you
have talked me into trying it. Overall, sounds like a lot of fun - if
my skills are not up to some of it, big deal. In GPL I think we are
destined to spend a lot of time mowing the grass, and maybe in E1R the
bits and pieces that fly off when the pod impacts the
wall/cliff/tree/whatever will look more like real pieces of something
than what we see flying about in GPL or TOCA2. Of course, Lucas does
not have the vehicle damage licensing woes that abound in NFS3 and
SCGT. The manufacturers <grin> don't care how badly bent things might
get !!
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