Cheap, high-perfomance GPL processor

>I know we've discussed this before, but I can't keep up with new hardware. >A couple of months ago, lots of us were buying Celeron 300As. Now that >those are gone, Voodoo III and Pentium IIIs have arrived, and >God-knows-what-else has changed on the hardware scene, what is the best and >cheapest combo of processor, AGP, board, etc. to run GPL maxed out? You need to be more specific. Are you planning on building a machine from scratch? Do you already have a case (or any other hardware) you intend to use? Give us some more details and most everyone here will be happy to point you in the right direction. -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

I know we've discussed this before, but I can't keep up with new hardware. A couple of months ago, lots of us were buying Celeron 300As. Now that those are gone, Voodoo III and Pentium IIIs have arrived, and God-knows-what-else has changed on the hardware scene, what is the best and cheapest combo of processor, AGP, board, etc. to run GPL maxed out?

Thanks, Bill. I'm talking about a scratch-built machine. The only component I have on hand that's a candidate for being incorporated is an 8-meg Voodoo II, which I would ditch if there is a better alternative. >>I know we've discussed this before, but I can't keep up with new hardware. >>A couple of months ago, lots of us were buying Celeron 300As. Now that >>those are gone, Voodoo III and Pentium IIIs have arrived, and >>God-knows-what-else has changed on the hardware scene, what is the best and

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>>cheapest combo of processor, AGP, board, etc. to run GPL maxed out? > You need to be more specific. Are you planning on building a machine >from scratch? Do you already have a case (or any other hardware) you >intend to use? Give us some more details and most everyone here will be >happy to point you in the right direction. >-- > | "Instead of letting the moon be the >Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let >Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

You can try these sites. They have lots of info on Overclocking and all that jaz. http://www.overclockin.com/ www.tomshardware.com http://www.firingsquad.com/

Thanks, Robert. But I guess I haven't made it clear what an idiot I am when it comes to this stuff. I'd like to get on the web or walk into a local store with a list of components that will max out GPL. My part in this will be only to say, "You build. Me buy." :-) Regards Kurt Steinbock >You can try these sites. They have lots of info on Overclocking and all >that jaz. >http://www.overclockin.com/ >www.tomshardware.com >http://www.firingsquad.com/

Hmmm, You need to decide what your priorities are first. Video card- your present card will do fine, otherwise wait until that card won't run the app you run. since my priority is GPL my thriller 8 meg works perfect, runs Mechwarrior 3 fine too. CPU - 300a slot 1 celerons are still available. as low as $70! However they probably are not as overclock friendly as earlier versions, I won't get into that to deep here. Bang for buck is probably some newer celeron. Not slamming amd but think twice before you get anything but intel. Keep in mind that there are slot 1 cpu's and socket 370 cpu's - needs to work with the mobo! Mobo - Well I highly recommend Abit because of the softmenu, very user friendly great boards. Case - get one with plenty of cooling and easy to service. Ram - obviously 128 megs of pc 100 is the required start. One single chip is good. Check these sites http://www.triptonics.com/ As you can see they offer gaurenteed celeron333's running at 500! http://www.pricewatch.com/ The first place to check availablity of products and prices! I built a celeron 300a last year and it has been running 24/7 since. I use a Hercules thriller 8 meg video card (best for Papy sims-not 3dfx). With all graphics on full field it gets 27-28fps on the grid and 36 by the time I shift to 2nd. I will upgrade when I have an app (N3) that requires more horsepower. Until then I am perfectly happy with a system you could build for $400 (case,mobo,cpu,ram) and use your present video, hd,cd,monitor etc. e:mail me if you want. John Moore > I know we've discussed this before, but I can't keep up with new hardware. > A couple of months ago, lots of us were buying Celeron 300As. Now that > those are gone, Voodoo III and Pentium IIIs have arrived, and > God-knows-what-else has changed on the hardware scene, what is the best and > cheapest combo of processor, AGP, board, etc. to run GPL maxed out?

>Thanks, Robert. But I guess I haven't made it clear what an idiot I am when >it comes to this stuff. I'd like to get on the web or walk into a local >store with a list of components that will max out GPL. My part in this will >be only to say, "You build. Me buy." :-) Well, your primary concern then is $$$'s. You can certainly get more bang for the buck if your build the system from individual parts you assemble yourself. I'd honestly look into any of the "name brand" direct resellers (Dell, Gateway, etc...) if you're intent on purchasing a turn-key system. Sure you can pay less for equivelent performance in an overclocked system. However, there are very few (if not zero) vendors who will give you the kind or warranty and tech support on an overclocked system as you will get from one of the major direct resellers. Now, if you could care less about a warranty and $'s are your primary concern, then I would reccomend you look for someone that can build you something close to the following... Motherboard - Asus P2B or Abit BX6 rev 2 Processor - Celeron 433 PPGA with slocket adapter * Video Card - Whatever you want, Keep your existing V2 for now ** RAM - 128MB of PC100 spec. Hard Drive - IBM Desktar GX series *** Sound - SB Live! Value or Diamond MX300: read up and pick one * AMD processors are by no means junk. It's just that Intel has slashed the prices on the Celerons to such a degree that they are presently the best value. ** The Hercules Thriller mentioned elsewhere in this thread is a wonderful card for only for Papyrus sims. A fair amount of people (myslef included) feel that the Thriller is pretty lousy for anything else. *** There are other good drives. These just happen to be known as good drives for overclocked systems. -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

Bill! Thank you very much! Your recommendation was thorough and EXACTLY what I was hoping for! My PII233 was okay for training, but really stunk with a full grid. This has me pointed in the right direction. Thanks again Kurt Steinbock >>Thanks, Robert. But I guess I haven't made it clear what an idiot I am when >>it comes to this stuff. I'd like to get on the web or walk into a local >>store with a list of components that will max out GPL. My part in this will

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>>be only to say, "You build. Me buy." :-) >Well, your primary concern then is $$$'s. You can certainly get more bang >for the buck if your build the system from individual parts you assemble >yourself. I'd honestly look into any of the "name brand" direct resellers >(Dell, Gateway, etc...) if you're intent on purchasing a turn-key system. >Sure you can pay less for equivelent performance in an overclocked system. >However, there are very few (if not zero) vendors who will give you the >kind or warranty and tech support on an overclocked system as you will get >from one of the major direct resellers. > Now, if you could care less about a warranty and $'s are your primary >concern, then I would reccomend you look for someone that can build you >something close to the following... >Motherboard - Asus P2B or Abit BX6 rev 2 >Processor - Celeron 433 PPGA with slocket adapter * >Video Card - Whatever you want, Keep your existing V2 for now ** >RAM - 128MB of PC100 spec. >Hard Drive - IBM Desktar GX series *** >Sound - SB Live! Value or Diamond MX300: read up and pick one >* AMD processors are by no means junk. It's just that Intel has slashed >the prices on the Celerons to such a degree that they are presently the >best value. >** The Hercules Thriller mentioned elsewhere in this thread is a wonderful >card for only for Papyrus sims. A fair amount of people (myslef included) >feel that the Thriller is pretty lousy for anything else. >*** There are other good drives. These just happen to be known as good >drives for overclocked systems. >-- > | "Instead of letting the moon be the >Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let >Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

You may want to consider the P3 450 processor. You can get it now for $260-$300. Check www.sharkyextreme.com for the latest prices. David G Fisher

I belive he said he's buying a computer with GPL in mind. PIII isn't any better than PII or Celeron in GPL. If you ask me I would buy Epox dual board ( the one without SCSI ) with 2 Celeron 300As overclocked to at least 450 for that money. GPL 1.1 will support 2 processors ( Win2000, maybe even WinNT 4.0 ). Borut

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> You may want to consider the P3 450 processor. You can get it now for > $260-$300. Check www.sharkyextreme.com for the latest prices. > David G Fisher > > I know we've discussed this before, but I can't keep up with new

hardware. > > A couple of months ago, lots of us were buying Celeron 300As.