VROC and long races

Ok, the discussion came up before about running long (or Grand Prix) races. I'm sure there may be some interest out there. What tracks would be most enjoyed? I've set up a couple GP length races, and no one joined(or few). Let me know favorite tracks and/or times to race, EST. For now, I do have access to machines with T1 connections(THREE!) that I'm willing to set up for long races. Now that I have PCanywhere working *fairly* well (Thanks, Trips), I can also set them up from home. And to those who HAVE joined races I've hosted, thanks for the nice comments. __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ed, My favorite track is Watkins Glen. However, the track I make the least, out of the race, mistakes is Kyalomi. Zandvoort is small enough to run a GP and full of enough turns to keep us busy, so much so that we wont think of the time gone by. Mexico: Not enough of the average drivers know it enough to stay in that long Monico: a tinny mistake in the chicain will take out half the field. Monza: Although easy, is starting to push the length of time needed to run a GP. Mosport: The hills will take all of the average drivers out in the first few laps. Nurburgring: Full of e***ment, but very LONG. Rouen: a mistake in the hairpin will take half the field out. Silver: Easy and fun track. but when you're alone, it gets boring. Spa: Fun corners, but when you're alone, the straits will put you to sleep. Those are just my opinions. The GP I ran back on April 11th, we ended up with two drivers running for what seemed like 1/2 the race. So, My opinion on running a GP race would be to invite only those that have proven them selves to last a Pro-Long race. If they survive one of those, odds are they will survive a GP and everyone will have fun at it. Mike Barlow

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> Ok, the discussion came up before about running long (or Grand Prix) races. > I'm sure there may be some interest out there. What tracks would be most > enjoyed? I've set up a couple GP length races, and no one joined(or few). Let > me know favorite tracks and/or times to race, EST. For now, I do have access > to machines with T1 connections(THREE!) that I'm willing to set up for long > races. Now that I have PCanywhere working *fairly* well (Thanks, Trips), I can > also set them up from home. And to those who HAVE joined races I've hosted, > thanks for the nice comments. > __ > Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... > remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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This is how things are for me: Monaco Short track, low speeds with lots of difficult corners. Concentration always needs to be at a high here. Expect a lot of close action racing,. Monza Perhaps the fastest of all the tracks - besides Spa. Offers a couple of challenging high speed corners, especially if you don't have the correct car setup, but can seem a tad boring at times. Mexico Not a very enjoyable track, IMO. Some nice touches, like the tyres sticking out of the ground, but nothing special for racing. Mosport I can't remember this one off by heart - I'll have to get back to you on this one. Nurburgring The longest track we've seen in any racing game, ever. So long in fact that I have only done a couple of laps there at one time, ever, before watching to race on another track. Very difficult indeed, especially in a race. Don't expect bumper to bumper racing here! Rouen One particular long straight which is a recent favourite of mine. Spa Excellent track! One of the best, IMO - I only got into it today. :-) Quite long, with lots of high speed straights as well as some neat road side object like houses which you can pull up by - why you'd want to do this is beyond me however. Sliverstone Not bad, but nothing special. I'm not sure how many people would want to have a 'long' race at any of these. I certainly wouldn't - blame a low attention span. :-) Griffin, the Slayer

HI...any of the tracks on GPL would be suitable for long races......problem is....half the people that join the short ones now cant stay on line long enough to finish those ones....so if you run a full gran prix......... also....on a full GP...one mistake and your toast......given the way some people use the gas pedal out of the box at the starts......and the amount of first lap accidents..running a full length gran prix would be kind of mute.

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> Ok, the discussion came up before about running long (or Grand Prix) races. > I'm sure there may be some interest out there. What tracks would be most > enjoyed? I've set up a couple GP length races, and no one joined(or few). Let > me know favorite tracks and/or times to race, EST. For now, I do have access > to machines with T1 connections(THREE!) that I'm willing to set up for long > races. Now that I have PCanywhere working *fairly* well (Thanks, Trips), I can > also set them up from home. And to those who HAVE joined races I've hosted, > thanks for the nice comments. > __ > Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... > remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>HI...any of the tracks on GPL would be suitable for long >races......problem is....half the people that join the short ones now >cant stay on line long enough to finish those ones....so if you run a >full gran prix......... >also....on a full GP...one mistake and your toast......given the way >some people use the gas pedal out of the box at the starts......and the >amount of first lap accidents..running a full length gran prix would be >kind of mute.

Exactly! This is the reason I hesitate to join GP races. Remco

% >HI...any of the tracks on GPL would be suitable for long % >races......problem is....half the people that join the short ones now % >cant stay on line long enough to finish those ones....so if you run a % >full gran prix......... % > % >also....on a full GP...one mistake and your toast......given the way % >some people use the gas pedal out of the box at the starts......and the % >amount of first lap accidents..running a full length gran prix would be % >kind of mute. % Exactly! This is the reason I hesitate to join GP races. However, if one "hacks" the 67season.ini file we can run GP length races with Intermediate damage, thus allowing Shift-R. I know it will defeat the "realism" in some folks books, but I believe that with warped enduced incidents, the trade-off is well worth it. For instance 225 laps for Monza in the 67season.ini will equate the 68 laps of the GP at Intermediate Long setting. Of course GPaL will take care of this for us... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I love doing GP races, at ALL tracks, I have even attempted this at Monaco, my engine blew on lap 43 though, but I didn't care, I had enjoyed myself. I also recently did an ONLINE GP at Spa, I didn't finish, my engine blew... but I had driven for 8 of the 12 laps i did with broken suspension, I was racing for fun, can't other people do that? The race was a lot if fun, if people take it easy at first then what can possibly be the problem? 28 laps is a LONG LONG race, but if you are there at the end, then basically there's a good chance you'll win. I would like to do a GP at rouen personally, I can lap very very well... if your engine blows, hey that's racing, if someone crashes you out, hey, it's annoying, but that's racing, if you finish a 28 lap race at Spa having done the greatest race of your life.. hey THAT'S RACING! I've done a GP length race at the 'ring before too :) -- Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________

And if you're REALLY hard-core (as we know you are, Tim), GPaL will allow you to run *longer* than GP-length races that will require Shift+R pit stops. Such an event might not appeal to the purist, but could be a load of fun (not to mention debilitating). And with a reduced damage model, you'd be assured of having more competitors around at the end! Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Keep in mind, GPL 1.0 does not support races with more then 128 laps. Dunno about GPL 1.1 though. Remco

> And if you're REALLY hard-core (as we know you are, Tim), GPaL will allow > you to run *longer* than GP-length races that will require Shift+R pit > stops. Such an event might not appeal to the purist, but could be a load of > fun (not to mention debilitating). And with a reduced damage model, you'd be > assured of having more competitors around at the end! Cool! We can re-create the 1000 km race at Nurburgring that was big in the sixties. This was part of the same series as Le Mans, the Targa Floria (now that would be a cool track in a sim!), 12 hours of Sebring, etc. Now if we could just patch the cars to be Ford GT's, Chaparral 2F's .... Dave Ewing

Oh man, the Targa Floria! Yum! A tour all around the roads of Sicily with terrain that makes Nurburgring look like Monza. I doubt if the computer to do it justice has been built yet but it sure would be fun to try. Just think, no start line "incidents" ( the Targa was a timed event with single starts every 30 seconds if I recall right). I still have have fond memories of Henry M. Manneys Road&Track race reports with various Ferraris,Porche 904's ,a V8 Ford Falcon!,etc David Erb

128 is the magic number in 1.1 also. So listen up guys! No more than 128 laps at Nurburgring, okay!?! Actually you can run events longer than 128 laps, but it appears that the guys in Timing and Scoring are unionized. When the race reaches its 128th lap, they pack up and go home. So until we get some non-union people counting laps, 128 is the limit. Incidentally, the little AI demons *are* cheaters! If you crank up the race length past the standard GP length, they don't care. They'll run on fumes for as many laps as it takes! Or maybe their teams just add belly-mounted fuel tanks (a la your neighborhood F-15) and they jettison those puppies at 1/3 distance. Wonder if they pay a weight penalty for all that extra fuel? Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Yes they do! With GP damage the race doesn't last many laps... <g> Remco

Can't agree more. GP Length is RACING and I just can't wait the moment when I can have chance to do that with FF. (Gotta buy the wheel 1st, when financially blessed...) I like Rouen _very_ much too and can lap reasonably there with Brabham :) I once raced GP with Ferrari there, but crashed some 15 laps before checkered flag to rookie error, but that's what you get when you lose the focus and IMO that IS important part of the racing -> to keep focus the WHOLE time :) My GP length race in Zandvoort was really exciting experience. My Ferrari was damaged for the last 30 laps of the 90 lap race and pulling hard to the right. I had to keep my wheel turned 45 to left to make it go straight(still did 1:26's and even 1:25's). After the race my ***was really in fire. So there's your Rear Force Feedback! F1 is physical actually! ;)

So..... you did run Nurburgring with +128 laps to test this? You sure have my respect ;P

I'd love to participate in some GP races. The challenge of grinding it out lap after lap, maintaining your focus, not dumping it in the weeds, and hopefully maybe even racing well enough to gain time or positions, all this appeals to me immensly. I doubt if you'll see it happen often with pick-up races on VROC though. I believe races like this would have to be scheduled events, so the players can plan the time in advance. JMHO. Zog

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> >Ok, the discussion came up before about running long (or Grand Prix) races. > >I'm sure there may be some interest out there. What tracks would be most > >enjoyed? I've set up a couple GP length races, and no one joined(or few). Let > >me know favorite tracks and/or times to race, EST. For now, I do have access > >to machines with T1 connections(THREE!) that I'm willing to set up for long > >races. Now that I have PCanywhere working *fairly* well (Thanks, Trips), I can > >also set them up from home. And to those who HAVE joined races I've hosted, > >thanks for the nice comments. > >__ > >Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... > >remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > This is how things are for me: > Monaco Short track, low speeds with lots of difficult > corners. Concentration always needs to be at a high here. Expect a lot > of close action racing,. > Monza Perhaps the fastest of all the tracks - > besides Spa. Offers a couple of challenging high speed corners, > especially if you don't have the correct car setup, but can seem a tad > boring at times. > Mexico Not a very enjoyable track, IMO. Some nice > touches, like the tyres sticking out of the ground, but nothing > special for racing. > Mosport I can't remember this one off by heart - I'll > have to get back to you on this one. > Nurburgring The longest track we've seen in any racing > game, ever. So long in fact that I have only done a couple of laps > there at one time, ever, before watching to race on another track. > Very difficult indeed, especially in a race. Don't expect bumper to > bumper racing here! > Rouen One particular long straight which is a recent > favourite of mine. > Spa Excellent track! One of the best, IMO - I only > got into it today. :-) Quite long, with lots of high speed straights > as well as some neat road side object like houses which you can pull > up by - why you'd want to do this is beyond me however. > Sliverstone Not bad, but nothing special. > I'm not sure how many people would want to have a 'long' race at any > of these. I certainly wouldn't - blame a low attention span. :-) > Griffin, the Slayer

-- Don't let the bastards grind you down. Doug Schneider Bedford, Nova Scotia Canada

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>However, if one "hacks" the 67season.ini file we can run GP length races >with Intermediate damage, thus allowing Shift-R. I know it will defeat >the "realism" in some folks books, but I believe that with warped >enduced incidents, the trade-off is well worth it. >For instance 225 laps for Monza in the 67season.ini will equate the 68 >laps of the GP at Intermediate Long setting. Of course GPaL will take >care of this for us...

There's an idea. Just change the number of laps in the .ini file? I'll have to check that out... Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I've done a GP length race at the 'ring before too :) I don't think I've done *10* laps there since I BOUGHT the game...(at least 7 months) <g> __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: Hmm. 128 laps at the Ring, at about 11 min/lap - That's almost 24hours! Can't even IMAGINE that... :) Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

There is usually a Spa GP hosted every weekend, last time 2 cars finished, a Lotus and a Ferrari, I drove in it myself but lost my engine. -- Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________ > I'd love to participate in some GP races. The challenge of grinding it out lap > after lap, maintaining your focus, not dumping it in the weeds, and hopefully maybe > even racing well enough to gain time or positions, all this appeals to me immensly. > I doubt if you'll see it happen often with pick-up races on VROC though. I believe > races like this would have to be scheduled events, so the players can plan the time > in advance. JMHO. > Zog > > >Ok, the discussion came up before about running long (or Grand Prix) races. > > >I'm sure there may be some interest out there. What tracks would be most > > >enjoyed? I've set up a couple GP length races, and no one joined(or few). Let > > >me know favorite tracks and/or times to race, EST. For now, I do have access > > >to machines with T1 connections(THREE!) that I'm willing to set up for long > > >races. Now that I have PCanywhere working *fairly* well (Thanks, Trips), I can > > >also set them up from home. And to those who HAVE joined races I've hosted, > > >thanks for the nice comments. > > >__ > > >Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... > > >remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > This is how things are for me: > > Monaco Short track, low speeds with lots of difficult > > corners. Concentration always needs to be at a high here. Expect a lot > > of close action racing,. > > Monza Perhaps the fastest of all the tracks - > > besides Spa. Offers a couple of challenging high speed corners, > > especially if you don't have the correct car setup, but can seem a tad > > boring at times. > > Mexico Not a very enjoyable track, IMO. Some nice > > touches, like the tyres sticking out of the ground, but nothing > > special for racing. > > Mosport I can't remember this one off by heart - I'll > > have to get back to you on this one. > > Nurburgring The longest track we've seen in any racing > > game, ever. So long in fact that I have only done a couple of laps > > there at one time, ever, before watching to race on another track. > > Very difficult indeed, especially in a race. Don't expect bumper to > > bumper racing here! > > Rouen One particular long straight which is a recent > > favourite of mine. > > Spa Excellent track! One of the best, IMO - I only > > got into it today. :-) Quite long, with lots of high speed straights > > as well as some neat road side object like houses which you can pull > > up by - why you'd want to do this is beyond me however. > > Sliverstone Not bad, but nothing special. > > I'm not sure how many people would want to have a 'long' race at any > > of these. I certainly wouldn't - blame a low attention span. :-) > > Griffin, the Slayer > -- > Don't let the bastards grind you down. > Doug Schneider > Bedford, Nova Scotia > Canada

> Hmm. 128 laps at the Ring, at about 11 min/lap - That's almost 24hours! Can't > even IMAGINE that... :) > Eldred Hmmmm. I see the makings of a killer endurance race here! LOL -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Unarmed & unafraid!