A GPaL Question?

Well, with the screen shot of GPaL looking like the***pit of a 737, I see nothing about how this is going to interface with Spyboy or VROC. I mean, I would give up neither of these applications to run GPal. Looks to me like you can do eveything thing you need to do now, without this. I mean, load spyboy, chat with everyone and run a quick race or 2 like pretty quick. How long does it take to change from F! to F3 and load your setup? 2 seconds? The 1.1 patch will have all these GPal parameters included, and lets face it, how often are you going to be utilizing all this? Is irc chat included ? Is this GPal essential? VROC and Spyboy are. Just questions...ok? C

I wanted to ask the same questions But didn't because of the way GPal has been advertised. Seems like he is giving away everything that's already in GPL and just slapping his name on it. He did forget some important things though.. Chat! Chat! and Chat!. But, then again, If he can make this GPal work and make him look like a GOD at the same time.. I say, go for it.

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> Well, with the screen shot of GPaL looking like the***pit of a 737, I see > nothing about how this is going to interface with Spyboy or VROC. I mean, I > would give up neither of these applications to run GPal. Looks to me like > you can do eveything thing you need to do now, without this. I mean, load > spyboy, chat with everyone and run a quick race or 2 like pretty quick. How > long does it take to change from F! to F3 and load your setup? 2 seconds? > The 1.1 patch will have all these GPal parameters included, and lets face > it, how often are you going to be utilizing all this? Is irc chat included ? > Is this GPal essential? VROC and Spyboy are. > Just questions...ok? > C

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Looking through a mountain of positive response, I haven't found anyone that has a problem with having all the frequently modified GPL settings available in a single screen. With regard to use of VROC/Spy Boy, GPaL will certainly not prevent you from enjoying either. In fact, if you're hosting a VROC race, GPaL will make that process a lot easier and much more flexible. *Many* of the options that GPaL provides will not be in the GPL 1.1 interface. Several of the great new GPL 1.1 features, in the absence of GPaL, will be accessible only through initialization file or command line modifications. GPaL tries to bridge the gap by providing a friendly, fast, familiar Windows interface to all this great functionality and adds some new twists of its own. And you've only seen the tip of the proverbial iceberg. But, of course, everybody is certainly entitled to an opinion. Personally, I find it a little strange that you choose to complain about a product that: 1) represents a considerable amount of work, 2) is being offered for free, and 3) you won't be compelled to use. In the interest of equal time for GPaL, I'll close by sharing a piece from a very nice unsolicited e-mail that I received from Tom Pabst just today. If you are unfamiliar with Tom, he's a two-time SCCA National Champion, former BMW factory team driver, a SCCA competition license instructor, sim racing instructor, sim racing league organizer, and self-confessed GPL ***. Here's what Tom had to say... "let me say this about GPaL. Including all of my experience and years in real racing....with my sim racing of the past two years....I've not previously run into a 'racing accessory' that is as 'innovative, completely useful and utterly needed' as your GPaL creation." Thanks, Tom! Exceptionally kind. Believe me, I'm uncomfortable sharing this kind of feedback, but I guess I feel a little compelled to offset the potential damage done by a few reckless comments made by individuals who haven't really gained a sufficient understanding of a product but nonetheless choose to publicly lambaste it. Makes me understand why companies like Papyrus are reluctant to talk about product details prior to release. My goal was, and is, to make the GPL community part of the design process. Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

I was wondering the same thing myself. Seems useless.

Hey, Ron. Little curious how you're certain that "VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also have all the added features of your GPal [sic GPaL] program" since all the features of GPaL haven't been revealed yet. To date, I've revealed the contents of one of eight tabs in the GPaL interface. And one of those tab is marked "TBA!" Can you clarify? Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Yaaa!! Flame! Flame! Slam! Slam! Slam! Yuck! Yuck! Pooh! Pooh! ..er.. Now exactly WHAT were we talking about? Mikey (I thought it was NRev...) the Slowpoke |Looking through a mountain of positive response, I haven't found anyone |that has a problem with having all the frequently modified GPL settings |available in a single screen. | |With regard to use of VROC/Spy Boy, GPaL will certainly not prevent you from |enjoying either. In fact, if you're hosting a VROC race, GPaL will make that

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|process a lot easier and much more flexible. | |*Many* of the options that GPaL provides will not be in the GPL 1.1 |interface. Several of the great new GPL 1.1 features, in the absence of |GPaL, will be accessible only through initialization file or command line |modifications. GPaL tries to bridge the gap by providing a friendly, fast, |familiar Windows interface to all this great functionality and adds some

new |twists of its own. And you've only seen the tip of the proverbial iceberg. | |But, of course, everybody is certainly entitled to an opinion. Personally, I |find it a little strange that you choose to complain about a product that: |1) represents a considerable amount of work, 2) is being offered for free, |and 3) you won't be compelled to use. | |In the interest of equal time for GPaL, I'll close by sharing a piece from a

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|very nice unsolicited e-mail that I received from Tom Pabst just today. If |you are unfamiliar with Tom, he's a two-time SCCA National Champion, former |BMW factory team driver, a SCCA competition license instructor, sim racing |instructor, sim racing league organizer, and self-confessed GPL ***. |Here's what Tom had to say... | |"let me say this about GPaL. Including all of my experience and years in |real racing....with my sim racing of the past two years....I've not |previously run into a 'racing accessory' that is as 'innovative, completely |useful and utterly needed' as your GPaL creation." | |Thanks, Tom! Exceptionally kind. | |Believe me, I'm uncomfortable sharing this kind of feedback, but I guess I |feel a little compelled to offset the potential damage done by a few |reckless comments made by individuals who haven't really gained a

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|understanding of a product but nonetheless choose to publicly lambaste it. |Makes me understand why companies like Papyrus are reluctant to talk about |product details prior to release. My goal was, and is, to make the GPL |community part of the design process. | | |Jack Rambo |www.RaceLive.com/GPaL | | | |

And, of course, if he *does* race online, at VROC or anywhere else, GPaL will suit his needs perfectly. GPaL is designed to address the needs of both segments of the GPL community! Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

No, No Adam, it's not useless......because it's not. The question I asked, and received no answer to, was "is it essential" Adam, it is essential if you are setting up your own servers and need an interface..........ok. Question #2 was....."how this is going to interface with Spyboy or VROC. " answer: "With regard to use of VROC/Spy Boy, GPaL will certainly not prevent you from enjoying either. In fact, if you're hosting a VROC race, GPaL will make that process a lot easier and much more flexible." Now, do you think this answered that question? Question #3: Is irc chat included ? Answer: ...................................................................... I was not complaining as Mr. Rambo implied. I only said i didnt need a space shuttle cabin approach to switch to f3 and a setup, and since i don't host most is usless to ME. Now the other 90% of Mr. Rambo's reply really had nothing to do with answering the questions in my post, only served to draw attention away from them. Im not sure im as enthusiastic about it the way Mr. Pabst is, but it does look great. Mr. Rambo encourages responses to his new toy and he encourages questions. I only asked three. Mr. Aytons reply was classic and very well thought out and did not deviate from the subject and sooooooooo with that Can you clarify?...........................Jack? C .

And it even has TABS! How can you say no now?

>I was wondering the same thing myself. Seems useless. Well, if it is useless. DON'T USE IT. That is very simple. No one is forcing this on you. /Magnus

Mike... I have to say I'm stunned and disappointed. This "I'm God" thing is unbelievable. I, personally, have no idea of what you're talking about and invite you to reply by posting quotes from "adverti***ts" wherein I suggest, seek, or imply any god-like status. I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else. I have simply tried to promote a product, GPaL, for which I have a great deal of enthusiasm. If I convey my genuine passion for GPaL's features, I see that as marketing, not personal chest-beating. You see, I'm just one guy who has spent a lot of time in front of the screen writing code for an application (GPL) that I think hung the moon. I don't have a big, nameless marketing department in the adjacent wing to promote my product in anonymity. So when you see an "adverti***t" (generally in the form of an RAS post or a news item on a sim racing news site) announcing something I'm doing, you normally see my name at the bottom. To give you an even better feel for my sensitivity on this issue, I'll also share a couple more things with you. First, I generally attempt to avoid the use of "I" as much as possible in ever piece I write (e.g. "GPaL will do xyz" wins out every time over "I've given you the ability to do xyz"). Secondly, though I feel bad in that I sometimes have not acknowledged the many kind words that people have bestowed upon me, GPaL, or the NTT series, I have frequently chosen not to respond to many of their posts specifically to minimize the amount of attention that is focused on me personally. (To all those kind souls: Please don't think for a minute that your generous words aren't appreciated! Thank you for each and every one!) So it seems, as the expression goes, "Sometimes you just can't win for losing." The really sad thing here is that there are probably many talented people out there that see these kinds of attacks and simply decide not to contribute because they know they don't have the constitution for it. It's a needless loss and as long as it continues the sim racing community will be the poorer for it. Hope this clears up any misperceptions. Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

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> Mike... > I have to say I'm stunned and disappointed. This "I'm God" thing is > unbelievable. I, personally, have no idea of what you're talking about and > invite you to reply by posting quotes from "adverti***ts" wherein I > suggest, seek, or imply any god-like status. > I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else. I have simply tried to > promote a product, GPaL, for which I have a great deal of enthusiasm. If I > convey my genuine passion for GPaL's features, I see that as marketing, > not personal chest-beating.

Read the post.. I was all for you building a program like this! Next, I did say that "maybe I read the adds wrong"! I have no problem with that! Most everybody here has there name at the bottom of a post! Or at the very least, in there return address.

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> To give you an even better feel for my sensitivity on this issue, I'll also > share a couple more things with you. First, I generally attempt to avoid the > use of "I" as much as possible in ever piece I write (e.g. "GPaL will do > xyz" wins out every time over "I've given you the ability to do xyz"). > Secondly, though I feel bad in that I sometimes have not acknowledged the > many kind words that people have bestowed upon me, GPaL, or the NTT series, > I have frequently chosen not to respond to many of their posts specifically > to minimize the amount of attention that is focused on me personally. (To > all those kind souls: Please don't think for a minute that your generous > words aren't appreciated! Thank you for each and every one!) So it seems, as > the expression goes, "Sometimes you just can't win for losing." > The really sad thing here is that there are probably many talented people > out there that see these kinds of attacks and simply decide not to > contribute because they know they don't have the constitution for it. It's a > needless loss and as long as it continues the sim racing community will be > the poorer for it. > Hope this clears up any misperceptions. > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

What the hell is with this? You're jumping into an argument when there is no argument. Read my other posts and you'll see that I was NEVER against you. The only post that was against GPal was not against GPal, but against all those arguing that other people are arguing about GPal, when the fact is that some people simply asked a question and wanted some information. As far as this GOD thing... I did say that I might have read the adds wrong. -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

Again, Maybe I read your re-post to me wrong. I apologies for this, I'm having a very bad day and it's apparently showing in my posts. Mike Barlow -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

> What the hell is with this? You're jumping into an argument when there is >no argument. Read my other posts and you'll see that I was NEVER against you. You said his words seemed to be marketing himself "as a God". If that's not an insult I don't know what is. It was way over the line to a guy who is volunteering is time and donating what appears to be a very useful program to the sim racing community. You owe him an apology. As for the "I might have read it wrong" part, well what good is that? How would you feel if someone said "Hey, you seem like an *** to me. But hey, maybe it's just me reading you wrong!"? Is that not an insult? It sure as hell is where I come from. Joe

>>I guess I feel a little compelled to offset the potential damage done by a few reckless comments made by individuals who haven't really gained a sufficient understanding of a product but nonetheless choose to publicly lambaste it.<< No kidding. Jeeez, this is a tough crowd. You can't even GIVE stuff away! Guess everyone's just in a funk over N3........... Hang in there JR, Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

Hi Jack, i am not so sure they were actually complaining about recieving GPal for free, or that the effort and time you have invested in GPal was not appreciated, but they did voice their concerns about how GPal would interact with SpyBoy and VROC, which i feel was a fair question. The ammount of work that has been invested into VROC 1.2 and the new version of SpyBoy, was perhaps a measure of concern to some people as well, considering that VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also have all the added features of your GPal program and are just waiting for the release of GPL 1.1 to be able to take advantage of all the new additions. A few good people have invested a lot of time and effort into VROC and SpyBoy, and obvious concerns about compatability issues are only obvious. Thank's Jack for letting us know that GPal will in no way upset the workings of VROC and SpyBoy and for sharing that information with the readers on RAS. I wish you all the best with your GPal launch. Also, in response to the post by rrevved, everyone is intitled to his/her opinion... Some people just have a immature way of showing it. Your response to a legitimate question/concern about GPal rrevved, shows it up well... Regards, Ron

Hi rrevved, the immaturity level was asigned to you simply because of your need to flame a couple of legitimate ***ies regarding the use of GPal when interacted with VROC/SpyBoy, with an objective description of the parentage of the guys in question... If you don't race on-line through VROC, then by all means GPal should suit your needs perfectly. Cheers, Ron

Hi Jack, i am sorry, but at this stage i can't clarify, as i am not going to get into a who knows what debate on a public forum, suffice to say that i am also under a non-dislosure agreement and some things should not be discussed on a public forum untill all partys involved have agreed to releasing the information on a general level, however you are right in regards to your comments that i do not know all that is in the release version GPal. I am simply going on what i know will be possible to implement through the GPL 1.1 patch when it becomes available. I did feel though that the ***ies regarding SpyBoy/VROC and the compatability issues with GPal was a fair question. It wasn't just the few posts here that made me decide to ***into this thread, but i have also been asked numerous times on GPL Chat about the ramifications of GPal interacting with SpyBoy, and as i didn't know the answer to that question, i thought a response from you regarding compatability issues would ease a few minds. I can't answer questions i don't know the answer to, hence the reason i replied to this post to start with. Cheers, Ron > Hey, Ron. > Little curious how you're certain that "VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also > have all the added features of your GPal [sic GPaL] program" since all the > features of GPaL haven't been revealed yet. To date, I've revealed the > contents of one of eight tabs in the GPaL interface. And one of those tab is

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> marked "TBA!" > Can you clarify? > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

How can it be useless??? No more messing with INI files is singularly worth the download. It's my understanding that GPaL isn't designed to replace VROC or GSB, it's an interface for quickly and easily adjusting the game settings for whatever you require, eg. graphics settings can be altered from a dropdown list to suit either training, online or offline racing, Core.ini files can be selected to suit different hosting purposes. IMHO GPaL will be a bonus to the already great GPL and can only help people to get more from the sim. It may not be essential but will be a great advantage. Keep up the good work Jack !!!! -- Ian Parker ICQ 21772592 > I was wondering the same thing myself. Seems useless. > > Well, with the screen shot of GPaL looking like the***pit of a 737, I > see > > nothing about how this is going to interface with Spyboy or VROC. I mean, > I > > would give up neither of these applications to run GPal. Looks to me like > > you can do eveything thing you need to do now, without this. I mean, load > > spyboy, chat with everyone and run a quick race or 2 like pretty quick. > How > > long does it take to change from F! to F3 and load your setup? 2 seconds? > > The 1.1 patch will have all these GPal parameters included, and lets face > > it, how often are you going to be utilizing all this? Is irc chat included > ? > > Is this GPal essential? VROC and Spyboy are. > > Just questions...ok? > > C

>Looking through a mountain of positive response, I haven't found anyone >that has a problem with having all the frequently modified GPL settings >available in a single screen. Jack, I'm sure I speak for many when I say your work on a project like GPaL is very much appreciated by the sim racing community. And just from the single screen shot I've seen, it looks incredibly useful. As a user interface designer myself I know how much thought and expertise goes into making an efficient, clean user interface. There are many mamy ways to do it wrong, and a few ways to do it right. GPal looks very, very well done. I hope you're proud of it, you should be. Joe

I think you're avoiding the point, Ron. The only problem that I had with your post was your unqualified statement that "VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also have all the added features of your GPal [sic GPaL] program." Some of GPaL's "added features" are tied to GPL 1.1 and some are not. Since only a fraction of GPaL's feature set has been unveiled at this point, you can't possibly suggest that the programs you mentioned include all of GPaL's features. Simple. Your statement is entirely inaccurate and misleading to RAS readers. By making the details of the GPaL interface available as it's under development, the GPL community has the opportunity to evaluate the design themselves and to provide input. I'm disappointed when that process is short-circuited by unsubstantiated statements. Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Oh, Mr. Schletter, your GPaL is served. Did you order that with tabs or without? ;) Jack www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

You think i am avoiding the point Jack ?? This is what i stated: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The ammount of work that has been invested into VROC 1.2 and the newversion of SpyBoy, was perhaps a measure of concern to some people as well, considering that VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also have all the added features of your GPal program and are just waiting for the release of GPL 1.1 to be able to take advantage of all the new additions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No where in that section did i state that new versions of VROC & SpyBoy had ALL of the features, YET to be added OR revealed in your GPal program.. I started that they have all the added features of GPal, and they do have.. How can i know what you are going to add to GPal in the furure ? What i do know is what you have made available for viewing, apart from the adjustable Ai strength is also available in the new Versions of VROC and SpyBoy.. Maybe i should have made myself clearer on that point, rather than let you drag it all out of proportion. I know you understood my post Jack, and why you have to try to turn this post into a public relations promotional feature for Gpal is anyone's guess. I wasn't putting down you, or your program, but as i stated, i simply entered this discussion about the compatability issues with the programs in question. I have never made any unsubstantiated statements, as you so elequently put it, but simply wanted to know, like a lot of others, what your ultimate intentions regarding compatability issues were and how GPal was going to interact with VROC and SpyBoy. I am not giving you any more publicity on RAS, if you want to take this further, feel free to email me with your complaints or ***ies. Cheers, Ron > I think you're avoiding the point, Ron. The only problem that I had with > your post was your unqualified statement that "VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy > also have all the added features of your GPal [sic GPaL] program." > Some of GPaL's "added features" are tied to GPL 1.1 and some are not. Since > only a fraction of GPaL's feature set has been unveiled at this point, you > can't possibly suggest that the programs you mentioned include all of GPaL's > features. Simple. Your statement is entirely inaccurate and misleading to > RAS readers. > By making the details of the GPaL interface available as it's under > development, the GPL community has the opportunity to evaluate the design > themselves and to provide input. I'm disappointed when that process is > short-circuited by unsubstantiated statements. > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

My goal was, and is, to make the GPL And we thank you for it Jack! Shake it off, and keep up the brilliant jobbing! Just wait until after the first release, you'll have tons of thank you's with even bigger exclamation marks! All best, Matt -- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons http://www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/

> I wanted to ask the same questions But didn't because of the way GPal has >been advertised. Seems like he is giving away everything that's already in GPL >and just slapping his name on it. He did forget some important things though.. >Chat! Chat! and Chat!. > But, then again, If he can make this GPal work and make him look like a GOD >at the same time.. I say, go for it. Well, it seems that Papyrus doesn't agree with you. (This if Jack's comments are true, but then again, why should Jack lie?) About the chat, I hope that if Jack will include it, it will be gamma.net based. Remco

After reading the posts in this thread, I just HAD to yell: "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!!??!". I am a software developer and GPL *** and know what it must have taken time-wise for Jack to take on such a project. Mr. Rambo is offering it FOR FREE to anyone who wants it and it trying to (a) take a part in fostering the GPL community (a good thing) and (b) make GPL easier to use (also a good thing). Why, oh why, does anyone on this newsgroup feel it is somehow necessary to give him sh*t for it? I have seen many newsgroups chase helpful people away (like the developers of the games themselves (can you say c.s.i.p.g.f-s?) because a vocal minority feels the need to bash instead of offer helpful advice and comments. If you don't feel that what Jack has created will be of use to you, don't download it. Thoughtless comments serve no purpose. I feel grateful that Jack has decided that there was value in the opinions of this newsgroup that might help in the development of his tool. He must have been surprised when, instead of getting helpful comments, he got a raft of sh*t. Geez. Some people... Jack, if some of the nitwits on this group don't want the fruit of your many hours of labor, send it to me. It looks like an immensely helpful utility. Please don't leave the group and, as someone else said here, "don't let the bastards get you down". -Jeff H.

Girl girls girls girls girl...!!! Let's take this outside, handbags at 10 paces maybe?? On a serious note, and I really should not get involved, but as an impartial outsider, there does seem to be some questions that still need addressing. The question regarding how GPaL interacts with GSB & VROC still seems to remain unanswered. Dose GPal pop up automatically when we select a race from either GSB or VROC? or will we need to click on an Icon? Once we have made our GPaL selections, will GPL be launched automatically?, or will there be another key press involved? Am I even in the right ballpark with these questions?, until Jack give us a little more detail, no one knows.....! As for what functions are in GSB 1.1/VROC 1.2 verses what will be in GPaL, and what if any "doubling-up" of features will exist, we will all just have to wait and see, (May 31st for GPaL and who-knows-when for GSB/VROC and GPL 1.1). And Ron, if you are privy to some insider information regarding the content of GSB/VROC, then I respectfully suggest that you honour your non-disclosure agreement, and keep quiet, as your dropping of hints as to what will be included is only confusing things further. As for the "Public Relations" exercise for GPaL, I'm sure that Jack is only tryin to see what interest exists in what will essentially be "freeware". Where I believe things have gone a little out of control is in the fact that if you ask 100 people what they want, they will always want 100 different things..!! Maybe less hype would equal less unwarranted criticism, (sorry Jack...!!) I for one cannot wait for GPal, or GPL 1.1 / GSB 1.1, and I am in awe of those people that make these thing possible, especially considering it's all for free...... so I suggest that we all just sit back and wait for the release of these products, before making any judgements or jumping to any wrong conclusions...... PLEASE END THIS THREAD HERE. SteveG

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>On Tue, 18 May 1999 05:03:54 GMT, >>I know you understood my post Jack, and why you have to try to turn >>this post into a public relations promotional feature for Gpal is >>anyone's guess. >Well thats a pretty damned *** response, if you ask me. >Ron, here is a very simple idea, which I hope won't be lost on you. >If you don't want to run GPAL, don't click the little icon. >See how easy that is? >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

I have to agree Jack. Keep up the good work in spite of those that need to treat others in a less than admirable way to enjoy life. Those of us that appreciate efforts like yours will be here, and looking forward to any help we can give. Keep me on you list Mikey Team Jesus Racing

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> After reading the posts in this thread, I just HAD to yell: "WHAT THE HELL > IS GOING ON HERE?!!??!". I am a software developer and GPL *** and > know what it must have taken time-wise for Jack to take on such a project. > Mr. Rambo is offering it FOR FREE to anyone who wants it and it trying to > (a) take a part in fostering the GPL community (a good thing) and (b) make > GPL easier to use (also a good thing). > Why, oh why, does anyone on this newsgroup feel it is somehow necessary to > give him sh*t for it? I have seen many newsgroups chase helpful people away > (like the developers of the games themselves (can you say c.s.i.p.g.f-s?) > because a vocal minority feels the need to bash instead of offer helpful > advice and comments. If you don't feel that what Jack has created will be > of use to you, don't download it. Thoughtless comments serve no purpose. I > feel grateful that Jack has decided that there was value in the opinions of > this newsgroup that might help in the development of his tool. He must have > been surprised when, instead of getting helpful comments, he got a raft of > sh*t. Geez. Some people... > Jack, if some of the nitwits on this group don't want the fruit of your many > hours of labor, send it to me. It looks like an immensely helpful utility. > Please don't leave the group and, as someone else said here, "don't let the > bastards get you down". > -Jeff H.

Maybe I wrote that wrong.. I was trying to say... The way he has been wording the adds for Gpal, It seems as though he is trying to get a "I'm God" idea across. Maybe I've been reading the adds the wrong way. It just seemed to be trying to get that idea across. I meant no flame by my post. I do wish him well with the add-on.

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> > I wanted to ask the same questions But didn't because of the way GPal has > >been advertised. Seems like he is giving away everything that's already in GPL > >and just slapping his name on it. He did forget some important things though.. > >Chat! Chat! and Chat!. > > But, then again, If he can make this GPal work and make him look like a GOD > >at the same time.. I say, go for it. > Well, it seems that Papyrus doesn't agree with you. (This if Jack's > comments are true, but then again, why should Jack lie?) > About the chat, I hope that if Jack will include it, it will be > gamma.net based. > Remco

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AMEN. I don't know Jack personally and I don't think I have ever raced with him, but by looking at his site and the FREE product he is developing, he is spending a TON of his own free time developing a utility that is going to be extremely useful for a vast majority of the GPL users. From what i see, Jack does not need publicity or a slap on the back... all he is doing is spending his own time and efforts in building a product for anyone who WANTS to use it. Even if you for some reason think its worthless, you should still be thankful that people like Jack give all of us options for utilities to make our racing more enjoyable and convenient. THANKS Jack. Scott PA-Scott G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

Why in the world does a utility need chat? SpyBoy needs chat and so does VROC, but since GPaL isn't either one of them and just a utility to allow you to setup GPL the way you want it and easily (supposedly/hopefully) it does not need a chat feature. Good grief. Want it to take out your garbage for you too?

The way the adds were worded, GPal sounded like it was going to be a competitor to TEN, GSB, and any other future GSB type of application. (chat, Race list, ect..) If you read some of the other questions asked about GPal, you would see that I'm not alone with this assumption. Since I wrote that post, it has been described in more detail what GPal is going to be. The GPal application does sound interesting. Having a chat feature along with it would greatly enhance the application. The addition of being able to take out the trash for me would also be a big improvement too ;-)

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> Why in the world does a utility need chat? SpyBoy needs chat and so does > VROC, but since GPaL isn't either one of them and just a utility to allow > you to setup GPL the way you want it and easily (supposedly/hopefully) it > does not need a chat feature. Good grief. Want it to take out your garbage > for you too? > > Chat! Chat! and Chat!.

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I just cant wait to see your product in action Jack. And thanks in advance for taking the time to code all this stuff for people like me who will enjoy GPL even more because of it. And , you don't need to reply to my e-mail. =;-D Robert Hull, Qubec

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>Believe me, I'm uncomfortable sharing this kind of feedback, but I guess I >feel a little compelled to offset the potential damage done by a few >reckless comments made by individuals who haven't really gained a sufficient >understanding of a product but nonetheless choose to publicly lambaste it. >Makes me understand why companies like Papyrus are reluctant to talk about >product details prior to release. My goal was, and is, to make the GPL >community part of the design process. >Jack Rambo >www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

No good deed goes unpunished, Jack. :) __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Snip Ok, let me get this straight........ you didn't say "that new versions of VROC & SpyBoy had ALL of the features," you said "that VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also have all the added features". Umm, ok now I get it "ALL" means something different than "all". To email me remove the "u"s

Randy... Thanks for the sentiment, but let's let this nearly-fossilized thread fade into extinction! :) Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Well said Jack, some people have nothing better to do but to try and stir up trouble.. Cheers, Ron > Randy... > Thanks for the sentiment, but let's let this nearly-fossilized thread fade > into extinction! :) > Jack Rambo > www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Sorry about that guys, but I wrote that comment and posted it to my server way back when the thread first started. Thought it just got lost as I never saw it on the n.g. Now it shows up and I am suprised that anyone even new what the heck I was talking about. Randy

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>Well said Jack, some people have nothing better to do but to try and >stir up trouble.. >Cheers, >Ron >> Randy... >> Thanks for the sentiment, but let's let this nearly-fossilized thread >fade >> into extinction! :) >> Jack Rambo >> www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

To email me remove the "u"s

No problems Randy.. <G> Sorry i jumped on you about restarting this thread, some things i guess we are just better off letting die a slow and natural death and this thread was one of them.. :) Computers are one thing we can never rely on to do the right thing by us. They tend to surprise us all the time. :) Cheers, and apologies as well. Ron