VROC and lag

The other night, I was racing in Monza (Int/Short) when suddenly I "rear ended" a car that just "poped" right in front of me like magic at Ascari bend. I had been racing for at least two laps without seeing anyone in front of me until that incident. Needless to say, we both crashed heavily, not too pleasant for two reasons. 1. I hate wrecking someone else's fun , 2. I hate wrecking mine. Are there any adjustments/tricks I should do at my end to alliviate this or is it hopeless until a patch or something else comes along ? My config is as follows: -ABIT BH-6, 300a OC'd to 450, 64meg PC-100, VooDoo2 12meg, AWE 64, and a cable modem. Thanks in advance for your help. Robert Hull, Qubec

First thing to do is to *not* join any races where the ping to the server is above 350. That in it self will help a *great* deal! Second thing to do is to hope that everyone else observes the first thing to do! next, the AWE 64 I think is a ISA card(?), get a PCI card! that will, and wont, help with the connection. But at least you will be sure to have a good FPS value. Last thing that will help is to have the same Core.ini that everyone else uses in that race. I did hear that the GPL 1.1 will help with the problem you are having. Don't quote me though. Mike Barlow

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> The other night, I was racing in Monza (Int/Short) when suddenly I "rear > ended" a car that just "poped" right in front of me like magic at Ascari > bend. I had been racing for at least two laps without seeing anyone in > front of me until that incident. > Needless to say, we both crashed heavily, not too pleasant for two reasons. > 1. I hate wrecking someone else's fun , > 2. I hate wrecking mine. > Are there any adjustments/tricks I should do at my end to alliviate this or > is it hopeless until a patch or something else comes along ? > My config is as follows: > -ABIT BH-6, 300a OC'd to 450, 64meg PC-100, VooDoo2 12meg, AWE 64, and a > cable modem. > Thanks in advance for your help. > Robert > Hull, Qubec

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>The other night, I was racing in Monza (Int/Short) when suddenly I "rear >ended" a car that just "poped" right in front of me like magic at Ascari >bend. I had been racing for at least two laps without seeing anyone in >front of me until that incident. Ditto! Happens far too often, but it may not be you. If you're using the recommended core.ini file, have a ping in the .300's or lower, and are getting max FPS online, it's probably someone else with a bad connection. It happened to me at Spa the other day when I had a .222 ping and 36FPS. Flying down into Stavelot, clear track as far as I could see, then WHAMMO! A Ferrari appears out of nowhere, going 30mph slower than I was. It was seriously ugly. And at a 'Ring race later, I got stuck behind a car who was warping out for 3-5 seconds at a time. I kept hoping he'd disco'ed, but then he'd appear again. I finally went off trying to avoid him and just quit the race out of frustration. SO-------- Everyone, PLEASE check your latency (alt-L) when first entering races. If it's too high (.400+), you'll do better elsewhere, and everyone else will be grateful. Or at least use the chat pad to let the host and your competitors know what it is so they can weigh in. If they don't mind, then have at it! Steve B. Remove "edy" from address for email

This is a bit of a grey area, regarding ping times to hosts. A ping of up to .500 is perfectly acceptable for good on-line racing in GPL. Obviously, the lower the ping the better the racing will be for all drivers, but when we are talking about milliseconds, up to 500 milliseconds is no problem at all, providing the driver with a 500 latency figure has taken steps in his DUN to achieve a good connection, through lower connection speeds and turning data compression and error checking off etc. A 500 millisecond latency on a good error free connection is HEAPS better than a 200 millisecond latency on a poor connection that is filled with errors. There is a lot of false information posted in RAS or on the Internet regarding ping times, but a latency of 500 milliseconds with GOOD connections will NOT cause a problem to the other drivers through clock smashing and warping issues. This is totally false, and i wish more people would take the time to understand how good/bad connection issues effect on-line play in GPL.!!! Living in Australia, our latency times to America will never see the light of day under 450 milliseconds, and if we have good connections and a good router path to America, we might be lucky enough to see pings in the 450 to 500 area. I have been running in an American based on-line league ever since GPL was released, and my ping times are rarely under .490 milliseconds, and NOT ONCE have i effected the other players in the league through latency issues. The major problems we have had with warping, has come from the new drivers that entered our league without knowing the correct way to set up a DUN and once the DUN issues were resolved, we have not had problems arising from latency issues at all. These drivers had latency figures in the 100 to 200 millisecond range, and created havoc.!!! Why some people have to insist on running their analogue modems at beyond 26400 to join a race is totally beyond me. It is not necessary. Some people are under the false belief that the slower a modem speed is, the higher the latency is, this once more is totally false.. A modem connection speed effects the bandwidth of the sent and recieved packets, NOT the speed at which the packets are sent and recieved.. The light from a torch still travels at the same speed, regardless of the size of the torch, so do the signals from your modem. So, to top this off, all of you with cable and ADSL etc in America, if you want to effectively cut off the rest of the world from entering your races in VROC, then use the, " no pings over 400 allowed" ... You will certainly stop drivers from Australia entering your races, and a lot of other places outside of America as well will also be excluded from your future races, and this will NOT cure your problems. The problems come from the people who do not take the time to set up their DUN and modems correctly, not the guy with a 500 millisecond latency and a good error free connection... Cheers from Downunder, Ron > >The other night, I was racing in Monza (Int/Short) when suddenly I "rear > >ended" a car that just "poped" right in front of me like magic at Ascari > >bend. I had been racing for at least two laps without seeing anyone in > >front of me until that incident. > Ditto! Happens far too often, but it may not be you. If you're using > the recommended core.ini file, have a ping in the .300's or lower, and > are getting max FPS online, it's probably someone else with a bad > connection. It happened to me at Spa the other day when I had a .222 > ping and 36FPS. Flying down into Stavelot, clear track as far as I > could see, then WHAMMO! A Ferrari appears out of nowhere, going 30mph > slower than I was. It was seriously ugly. And at a 'Ring race later, > I got stuck behind a car who was warping out for 3-5 seconds at a > time. I kept hoping he'd disco'ed, but then he'd appear again. I > finally went off trying to avoid him and just quit the race out of > frustration. SO-------- > Everyone, PLEASE check your latency (alt-L) when first entering races.

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> If it's too high (.400+), you'll do better elsewhere, and everyone > else will be grateful. Or at least use the chat pad to let the host > and your competitors know what it is so they can weigh in. If they > don't mind, then have at it! > Steve B. > Remove "edy" from address for email

<snip> Good points all, Ron, and thanks for addressing the DUN issues that I neglected. My comments about high pings were based primarily on anecdotal observations, certainly not any technical expertise on my part.:-) I'd noted from racing and watching replays that drivers who'd reported higher pings were warping badly, and hadn't really considered the effect of connection stability. I just figured that much packet loss would result in them disco'ing. I suppose it's a mix of factors. So much to keep up with.......... Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

Michael, I never had a ping less than 400. Tried two ISP (all we have in Malaysia). But IMO it's ok under 500. Those empty tracks with unexpected car-droppings happen to me at ping > 700. Impossible to race then. Jens On Sat, 08 May 1999 10:29:36 -0400, Michael Barlow > First thing to do is to *not* join any races where the ping to the server >is above 350. That in it self will help a *great* deal! <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

Great post, Ron I'm im Malaysia and suffer the same problems. One more question: When my connection is bad, how can I find out not to spoil the race. Do I see all other cars warping? See you Jens <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

Hi Jens, just go for a ride with the host, if he is warping to you, then the problem is at your end, otherwise the problem is being generated by someone else.. Cheers, Ron

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> Great post, Ron > I'm im Malaysia and suffer the same problems. > One more question: > When my connection is bad, how can I find out not to spoil the race. > Do I see all other cars warping? > See you > Jens > >This is a bit of a grey area, regarding ping times to hosts. > >A ping of up to .500 is perfectly acceptable for good on-line racing

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