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Slightly OT: CPU and Mobo Recommendation

10 posts by 10 people · 28 Dec 2003 14:01 UTC - 29 Dec 2003 01:25 UTC

BRH 28 Dec 2003 14:01 UTC#46617
Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some upgradability for the CPU, if possible. Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my hardware. Here's the rundown: Radeon 9700 Pro videocard Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good sound built-in) 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to have a gameport available. 2 printers, each using USB. Cable Modem 2-80 Gig WD hard drives Generic DVD drive Sony DRU-510A DVD burner Windows XP Pro Obviously, I use this system for more than just gaming, but gaming usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this statement about not needing to re-format really is. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
bhoeni 28 Dec 2003 14:01 UTC#531397
Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some upgradability for the CPU, if possible. Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my hardware. Here's the rundown: Radeon 9700 Pro videocard Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good sound built-in) 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to have a gameport available. 2 printers, each using USB. Cable Modem 2-80 Gig WD hard drives Generic DVD drive Sony DRU-510A DVD burner Windows XP Pro Obviously, I use this system for more than just ***, but *** usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this statement about not needing to re-format really is. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
SColwell 28 Dec 2003 14:50 UTC↳ reply to BRH#46621
Check out the asus A7N8X X board... XP-2500 Barton is about the best bang for the buck...it will easily overclock to run @ 3200 speeds Try crucial for good 400 mhz ddr www.newegg.com "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (44 lines)> Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my > system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available > right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing > sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, > LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm > looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute > latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some > upgradability for the CPU, if possible. > > Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be > looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my > hardware. Here's the rundown: > > Radeon 9700 Pro videocard > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good > sound built-in) > 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM > Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse > Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) > TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to > have a gameport available. > 2 printers, each using USB. > Cable Modem > 2-80 Gig WD hard drives > Generic DVD drive > Sony DRU-510A DVD burner > Windows XP Pro > > Obviously, I use this system for more than just gaming, but gaming > usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. > > One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade > the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using > Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). > It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. > All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but > that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to > re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this > statement about not needing to re-format really is. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. >
ert 28 Dec 2003 14:53 UTC↳ reply to BRH#46622
these may help: December High-end Gaming PC Buyer's Guide http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MHGSBG/article.php/3288421 December Value Gaming PC Buyer's Guide http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MVGSBG/article.php/3286311 "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (44 lines)> Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my > system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available > right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing > sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, > LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm > looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute > latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some > upgradability for the CPU, if possible. > > Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be > looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my > hardware. Here's the rundown: > > Radeon 9700 Pro videocard > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good > sound built-in) > 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM > Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse > Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) > TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to > have a gameport available. > 2 printers, each using USB. > Cable Modem > 2-80 Gig WD hard drives > Generic DVD drive > Sony DRU-510A DVD burner > Windows XP Pro > > Obviously, I use this system for more than just gaming, but gaming > usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. > > One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade > the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using > Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). > It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. > All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but > that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to > re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this > statement about not needing to re-format really is. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. >
ert 28 Dec 2003 14:53 UTC#531398
these may help: December High-end *** PC Buyer's Guide [link lost in import] December Value *** PC Buyer's Guide [link lost in import]
Steve Smith 28 Dec 2003 15:47 UTC↳ reply to ert#46628
A grt read, ert, thx! "ert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (55 lines)> these may help: > > December High-end Gaming PC Buyer's Guide > http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MHGSBG/article.php/3288421 > December Value Gaming PC Buyer's Guide > http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MVGSBG/article.php/3286311 > > "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my > > system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available > > right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing > > sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, > > LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm > > looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute > > latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some > > upgradability for the CPU, if possible. > > > > Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be > > looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my > > hardware. Here's the rundown: > > > > Radeon 9700 Pro videocard > > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good > > sound built-in) > > 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM > > Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse > > Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) > > TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to > > have a gameport available. > > 2 printers, each using USB. > > Cable Modem > > 2-80 Gig WD hard drives > > Generic DVD drive > > Sony DRU-510A DVD burner > > Windows XP Pro > > > > Obviously, I use this system for more than just gaming, but gaming > > usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. > > > > One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade > > the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using > > Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). > > It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. > > All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but > > that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to > > re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this > > statement about not needing to re-format really is. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > >
I would wait for the PCI-Express boards to come out. This is a new expansion slot spec, and is supposed to also be a replacement for the old PCI slots *AND* the AGP slot. ATI has already announced a PCI-express compatible chipset for their next-gen graphics cards, and most motherboard manufacturers have committed to products based on the new spec. Even better, most CPU's currently available will still be supported, as well as the newere 64-bit units. Second quarter of next year from what I hear... In article <[email hidden]>, BRH <"bhoenig<no- spam>"@comcast.net> says...
Quoted text (45 lines)> Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my > system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available > right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing > sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, > LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm > looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute > latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some > upgradability for the CPU, if possible. > > Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be > looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my > hardware. Here's the rundown: > > Radeon 9700 Pro videocard > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good > sound built-in) > 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM > Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse > Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) > TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to > have a gameport available. > 2 printers, each using USB. > Cable Modem > 2-80 Gig WD hard drives > Generic DVD drive > Sony DRU-510A DVD burner > Windows XP Pro > > Obviously, I use this system for more than just gaming, but gaming > usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. > > One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade > the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using > Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). > It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. > All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but > that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to > re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this > statement about not needing to re-format really is. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > >
MadDAWG 28 Dec 2003 18:18 UTC↳ reply to BRH#46494
Just a thought, but would a bios flash let you run a faster CPU on your current setup? A CPU and faster ram would be a good upgrade if possible and not require a new install of Windows. I'm not familar with what chip set is on your board so you would have to do a little digging to see if you can or not. MadDAWG
You don't sound like a big overclocker, but if you were the Barton 2600+ is the clear leader here. See http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031223/cpu-guide-21.html An Abit NF7-S + Barton 2600+ + Thermalright SP-97 + 92mm fan + PC3500 CAS2 memory, will overclock to 3500+ levels easily at quite reasonable temps and noise levels. If you don't want to overclock, the AThlon64 3000+ + Asus K8V or Abit KV8-MAX3 are under $400 for the cpu+mobo, and a fantastic deal now. It offers performance almost equal to the 3200+ model. On you motherboard swap question, here is the guide you need to do it without reinstalling the OS: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=77909774&m=1400925745 rms
Larry 29 Dec 2003 01:25 UTC↳ reply to BRH#46516
Let me get this out of the way first! Replacing a Motherboard without reinstalling Windows is FALSE ECONOMY no matter what you read or what other people say. You WILL be fixing little problems forever and forever. If you replace such a main component as the Motherboard, there is NO substituion for a fresh, clean format and OS install. Buck-up, Back-up and just do it. Ok, I'll step down off the stump now :) I've become more fond of ABIT motherboards than any other over the last couple of years. Though I've never had to use it, I also understand their support is better than ASUS and most of the other makers. I was once a hard-core Athlon user (my prevous 5 machines I built were based on Athlons), but AMD seems to have lost their price-performance advantage in the higher-end processors, so I just use Intel now until I see that change again. If I were to build a system today, it would be with the new ABIT Max-3 Intel board (I forget the exact model name) based on the 975 Chipset. -Larry "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (44 lines)> Tax refund time is around the corner, so I'm thinking of upgrading my > system (again), but don't have a clue on the newest components available > right now. I'm looking to maximize framerates and graphics in racing > sims such as NR2003, F1C and GPL, and various flight sims (FS 2004, > LOMAC, etc). I don't have a particular budget figure in mind, but I'm > looking for the best "Bang for the Buck", not necessarily the absolute > latest and greatest. However, the mobo should allow for some > upgradability for the CPU, if possible. > > Right now, I have an Epox 8Kha+ mobo with AthlonXP 2100 CPU which I'd be > looking to replace. I'd like to continue to use most of the rest of my > hardware. Here's the rundown: > > Radeon 9700 Pro videocard > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card ( which would go if the mobo has good > sound built-in) > 640 Megs of PC2100 RAM > Logi MX Duo Wireless Keyboard and Mouse > Logi MOMO Force Wheel (uses USB) > TSW (original) pedals (uses gameport) -- So the new system would have to > have a gameport available. > 2 printers, each using USB. > Cable Modem > 2-80 Gig WD hard drives > Generic DVD drive > Sony DRU-510A DVD burner > Windows XP Pro > > Obviously, I use this system for more than just gaming, but gaming > usually is what drives the reason to upgrade. > > One last question: I've read on the Web that it's possible to upgrade > the mobo without having to reformat the hard drive, if you're using > Windows XP (after backing up everything that's important, of course). > It involved a procedure called a Repair install or something like that. > All of my previous mobo replacements required hard drive re-formats, but > that was before I had WinXP. Obviously, I'd prefer not to have to > re-install everything all over again, so I wonder how true this > statement about not needing to re-format really is. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. >

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