'One-Foot-Driving' - Is there anybody out there ?

It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among sim drivers. However, i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ? Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote. One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though :-) So, is there anybody out there ? anyone who's tried in vain ( to get better lap times using two feet ) anyone that feels the same is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go of one-foot driving ? How do ya feel about that ? Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue. -- Greg Hellmann "Cause when the feelin's right, i'm gonna race all night."

I drive with 1 foot. That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal to drive like that in sims. -- -Gunslinger-

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>>It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among >>sim drivers. >>However, i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ? >I drive with 1 foot. >That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal >to drive like that in sims.

Ditto. Can't do it with two feet, in fact. -- JB

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> It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among > sim drivers. > However, i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ? > Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other > person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote. > One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though :-)

In sims I drive with both feet, left on the brake, right on the throttle. But that's because there's no clutch to otherwise keep my left foot occupied! :) Same with F1 drivers - they don't need to use their left foot for a clutch so almost all of them left foot brake now. Also, most pedal units for computers are not very well designed and you can't comfortably heel-toe with them. But in my real car, my left foot lives on the clutch and my right foot does all that heel-toe double clutch downshifting stuff. Although I do admit to only getting pedals installed about 1 week ago that allow me to heel-toe, so I'm not particularly great at it yet :) I'd love to see a really well designed solidly built pedal unit, including a clutch, and sims that properly support the clutch, then I'd definitely go for it in sims! Grant.

Driving with one foot does not take the sense out of separate axis, not at all! I'm one hundred % sure that that the drivers of the era pressed the brakes and gas at the same time. That is why we have a heel-toe technique, to be able to press the throttle while braking (to change gears more effectively, and to adjust amount of oversteer during turn-in), and I am pretty sure they pressed the brakes while standing heavily on the throttle. And in the turns where they didn't have to change, I think their left foot was all over the place. I think that trailbraking was almost a must for the drivers in -67 to go really fast. I think I read somewhere that Jim Clarke was outstanding in the fact that he braked further into the corner than anyone else, and how do you do that effectively? Trailbraking! I read from Taruffis book how to cope with the pedals, and he explains in detail the different techniques for the different kind of pedal setups. Obviously with trailbraking in mind. I used to be a one foot sim racer, but I discovered that I became a little bit faster with left foot braking, and WAAAAAY more consistent. When you have control over the throttle and brake at the same time, you are in the optimum postition to control the car. Take that fast left before the hairpin at Rouen, the only way to go through there fast is trailbraking, and pretty heavily so! No matter, left foot braking or not: Separate axis is a must, at least in GPL... ---Asgeir---

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> It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among > sim drivers. > However, i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ? > Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other > person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote. > One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though :-) > So, is there anybody out there ? > anyone who's tried in vain ( to get better lap times using two feet ) > anyone that feels the same > is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go of > one-foot driving ? > How do ya feel about that ? > Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue. > -- > Greg Hellmann > "Cause when the feelin's right, > i'm gonna race all night."

I think Zanardi is going thru the same thing right now in F1! I know it is very difficult for me so I haven't really tried to develope this ability yet. Tore >It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among >sim drivers. >However, i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ? >Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other >person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote. >One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though :-) >So, is there anybody out there ? >anyone who's tried in vain ( to get better lap times using two feet ) >anyone that feels the same >is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go of

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>one-foot driving ? >How do ya feel about that ? >Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue. >-- >Greg Hellmann >"Cause when the feelin's right, > i'm gonna race all night."

> I think Zanardi is going thru the same thing right now in F1! I know it is > very difficult for me so I haven't really tried to develope this ability > yet. Well, Zanardi certinly doesn't hang about in go karts..and basically, it's the same :-) Matt -- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons http://www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/

Same here, I drive with one foot.

The Logitech unit works very well for heel-toe action. I can't even imagine driving with both feet, although I would probably get faster over time.

I'm using the Logitech WingMan FF -- using both feet. A nice feature with these pedals is the foot rest. It's described in their advertising as the 'dead-pedal foot rest lets you keep your left foot near the breaks for fast corners or emergency stops'. I like it for road courses that have long straight sections (e.g. Laguna Seca). I agree that these pedals do work well for heel-toe as well with just the right amount of space between the gas and break. Prior to these pedals I was using the CH pedals for sim-driving and always felt like I was in a toy pedal car and were not the best design for heel-toe. On the other hand the CH pedals provide a greater range of motion (and work great for flight-sims). Cheers, Steve

I drive with no feet...

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> Same here, I drive with one foot. > >>I drive with 1 foot. > >>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal > >>to drive like that in sims. > >Ditto. Can't do it with two feet, in fact. > >-- JB > >>-- > >>-Gunslinger-

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Two footer here - even in my real car. You get greater precision in accelerating from a stop point. I enjoy driving with my left on the brake and my right on the gas (automatic of course).

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> > I think Zanardi is going thru the same thing right now in F1! I know it is > > very difficult for me so I haven't really tried to develope this ability > > yet. > Well, Zanardi certinly doesn't hang about in go karts..and basically, > it's the same :-) > Matt

How 'bout this: "Look ma, no hands!" ;-) (How's the CompUSA wheel holding up, Thom?) -- JB

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>> Same here, I drive with one foot. >> >>I drive with 1 foot. >> >>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal >> >>to drive like that in sims. >> >Ditto. Can't do it with two feet, in fact. >> >-- JB >> >>-- >> >>-Gunslinger- >--------------E44FB5C72C13CF9EF9B23DFF >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=x-user-defined; > name="no_spam.n2rif1.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for ^Fretts >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="no_spam.n2rif1.vcf" >begin:vcard >n:j.;Thom >x-mozilla-html:TRUE >adr:;;;;;; >version:2.1 >fn:Thom j. >end:vcard >--------------E44FB5C72C13CF9EF9B23DFF--

Yep John I do; Can't use my feet/legs so I gotta' use paddles on the wheel but I believe you know this already from our correspondance.. ;0) Its either a TM Nascar Sprint or CompUSA's {Now $29.00+tax} wheel. Can't beat neither for the money. If you sim racers wanna a real challange; race with gas/brake, shift-up/down, clutch & also steer with just 2 hands! "look ma, no feet!" ;0) Cheers Thom_j. aka ^Fretts..

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> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--------------E44FB5C72C13CF9EF9B23DFF > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I drive with no feet... > How 'bout this: "Look ma, no hands!" > ;-) > (How's the CompUSA wheel holding up, Thom?) > -- JB > >> Same here, I drive with one foot. > >> >>I drive with 1 foot. > >> >>That's how I drive in my real car, so naturally it feels more normal > >> >>to drive like that in sims. > >> >Ditto. Can't do it with two feet, in fact. > >> >-- JB > >> >>-- > >> >>-Gunslinger- > >--------------E44FB5C72C13CF9EF9B23DFF > >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=x-user-defined; > > name="no_spam.n2rif1.vcf" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Description: Card for ^Fretts > >Content-Disposition: attachment; > > filename="no_spam.n2rif1.vcf" > >begin:vcard > >n:j.;Thom > >x-mozilla-html:TRUE > >adr:;;;;;; > >version:2.1 > >fn:Thom j. > >end:vcard > >--------------E44FB5C72C13CF9EF9B23DFF--

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I'm doing it with GPL since the TM Sprint pedals are so crappy.

Toni Ain't it fun? <g> Question though: I've had a chronic right paddle problem! {It has been posted here several times!} I wondered; Does your paddles in calibrate stay at a rock solid .1000 when you pull the paddles all the way back? Mine does not & can't figure out why? I've had many great ideas & etc from the nice folks here at ras. {u'all know who you are <BG>} Plus I have even changed the right pot to the left side and again I'm getting a flicker' {or as someone told me a "spike"} from .1000 to the .900s. Do you get this? Everytime it does this I can not get full gas & it is extremely obvious at Spa on the straight at Masta when I usually top at 197-8mph and it slows to the 180s.. I go back into Calibrate & there it is flickering again. It Peaves me to no end now!! Any all help will be appreciated form you Toni & others. Tia!! Thom_j. aka ^Fretts > >Can't beat neither for the money. If you sim racers wanna a real challange; > >race with gas/brake, shift-up/down, clutch & also steer with just 2 hands! > >"look ma, no feet!" ;0) > I'm doing it with GPL since the TM Sprint pedals are so crappy. no_spam.n2rif1.vcf < 1K Download

Not with the paddles. The wheel however gives off strange spikes once in a few seconds (mostly in *** steering maneuvers), it's like clock smashes but the wheel just jumps to full right/left for one frame then back. Of course this is very annoying since in GPL it puts you to the wall, but the strangest thing is this doesn't happen in any calibration routines or even in other games (SCGT demo, TOCA2 demo, N99 & ICR2 work fine). I'd clean the pot but I'm not quite sure which ***to open since the whole gadget seems a bit plastic. I'd say take it back and demand a new wheel.

I drive with one foot, use the other to hold down the pedal base.

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>It goes without saying that the two feet driving technique is pre*** among >sim drivers. >However, i was wondering if there are people out there driving with one foot ? >Driving with right foot heel-and-toe myself, thus far i only know one other >person in the sim racing community who does alike....Eric Cote. >One-foot driving kind of takes the sense out of using seperate axis though :-) >So, is there anybody out there ? >anyone who's tried in vain ( to get better lap times using two feet ) >anyone that feels the same >is there anybody trying to give it up and start again cause i can't let go of >one-foot driving ? >How do ya feel about that ? >Thanks in advance for any comments regarding this issue. >-- >Greg Hellmann >"Cause when the feelin's right, > i'm gonna race all night."

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I drive with one foot. It's my right foot. I feel uncomfortable using two feet because a two foot posture puts my feet too close together and I loose steering leverage. So, I use only my right foot. I actually brake with my big toe, and gas with my two little toe's, since I have six toes on my right foot, it works well. :)

% Not with the paddles. The wheel however gives off strange spikes once % in a few seconds (mostly in *** steering maneuvers), it's like % clock smashes but the wheel just jumps to full right/left for one % frame then back. Of course this is very annoying since in GPL it puts % you to the wall, but the strangest thing is this doesn't happen in any % calibration routines or even in other games (SCGT demo, TOCA2 demo, % N99 & ICR2 work fine). I'd clean the pot but I'm not quite sure which %***to open since the whole gadget seems a bit plastic. This certainly sounds like a dirty pot. What brand and model of wheel? Hopefully someone can help explain how to open the unit. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

TM Sprint, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. Guess I'll have to crank the casing open and hope nothing vital pops out (I still remember the time a friend of a friend tried to "fix" a Logitech Wingman Extreme and ended up with a heap of springs and buttons on the table).

% >This certainly sounds like a dirty pot. What brand and model of wheel? % >Hopefully someone can help explain how to open the unit. % TM Sprint, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. Guess I'll have to % crank the casing open and hope nothing vital pops out (I still % remember the time a friend of a friend tried to "fix" a Logitech % Wingman Extreme and ended up with a heap of springs and buttons on the % table). The TM Sprint case for the wheel looks very similar to the NASCAR/Formula Pro. There are alot of screws holding the unit together, but I never had any problem with the NASCAR Pro when opening the unit to clean the pot. Just don't be too rough with the wiring and you should be okay. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=