Wheel question

I second that one!!!!

1) Official NASCAR racing series, with prizes, purse, NASCAR officials and official recognition from NASCAR. Remember the first "unofficial" season had more than 30000$ in prizes, with trips to Daytona for the finalists, etc... It was only the unofficial season. 2) Real dedicated servers. Im not talking about the P3 that people will give as Dedicaded servers with the GPL 1.1patch. Im talking about expensive, 250000$+ SUN servers. 3) A GUi made on purpose for the NROS, including statistics, rankings, profiles, mail, etc.. 4) Less warping due to the dedicated servers and prediction code. Compared the warping from the normal N2(or NR99) multiplayer to the NROS with 24drivers. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Personally don't care. :) Now, if it was CART or FIA...well, then we have a different matter. Heck even if it was the PSC. :) Dedciated servers are a plus definetely. However, just because a server costs a lot doesn't make it the best server. You are obviously going to need more powerful servers with lots of ram, etc to handle MULTIPLE races on the same server. However, if you are simply running ONE race at a time on a dedicated server the server won't be the problem, it will be the connection quality of the host. Nonetheless, dedicated servers are a plus. Purpose made for NROS? Hahaha..ok. GSB and VROC are more purpose made. :) Do you REALLY need a service to provide your email if you have an ISP? Didn't think so. Profiles? Use webpages geesh....rankings? Ok, got somewhat of a point there. :) Again, its more the connection quality and bandwidth as opposed to the "dedicated" server. It helps..and a big enough server will allow you to host multiple races per machine. Prediction code? GPL should have it, but only the guys at Papy could say for certain.

How surprising to see you reply ;-P Hehe nice points first of all. You may think that the NROS being an official division of NASCAR is nothing, but personally it's the first step into making this a sport. I said the cost to make people understand that real servers aren't cheap. For 250K it's not even a excellent server. But yes dedicated servers are a big plus. Im not saying the N3 version of VROC (or how it will be) will suck, but the alternative (NROS) has still alot of advantages. I know and agree. Spyboy impressed me with the inclusion of the IRC functions, but Im talking about N3 not GPL :) I said nowhere about TEN here remember, Im talking about the NROS. Who knows what will it be for N3 ? ;) The problem is that Im not sure there is a prediction code as good as the NROS for GPL. I guess it's a limitation of the game engine. I mean take a simple dot who can go up and down. Prediction code is easy.. it goes up, down or stays at the same place. But the more you add depth in a sim, the more the prediction code becomes difficult to recreate. Best example is to look at the GPL cars on ovals. You will see that the prediction code isn't as good as on the NROS, but combine both elements from N2 and GPL... N3 will be great on a stable multiplayer system 8) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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>The problem is that Im not sure there is a prediction code as good as the >NROS for GPL. I guess it's a limitation of the game engine. I mean take a >simple dot who can go up and down. Prediction code is easy.. it goes up, >down or stays at the same place. But the more you add depth in a sim, the >more the prediction code becomes difficult to recreate. Best example is to >look at the GPL cars on ovals. You will see that the prediction code isn't >as good as on the NROS, but combine both elements from N2 and GPL... N3

will >be great on a stable multiplayer system 8) Yada yada yada. Does anyone know the answers to my questions? I suspect not since this has degraded into a diatribe about NROS... I'm sorry but I don't give a rats ass about NROS. I would like to know if the digital FF wheels will work or be supported in N3 though :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

On Mon, 3 May 1999 07:51:11 -0500, "Greg Cisko" >Yada yada yada. >Does anyone know the answers to my questions? I suspect not since >this has degraded into a diatribe about NROS... I'm sorry but I don't >give a rats ass about NROS. I would like to know if the digital FF >wheels will work or be supported in N3 though :-) You can pretty much bet the farm that any wheel that works in GPL will work in N3. As for NROS-related controller configurations, it would make no sense to support only those in an environment that includes the likes of VROC. NROS evolved before VROC existed, so we'll just have to wait and see what develops for N3, GP3, and (hoping) ICR3. But clearly, NROS itself will have to evolve as well, lest it become obsolete. It's the nature of competition. Steve B. Remove "edy" from address for email

I used Force Telekinesis to put my thoughts into your mind so you could write them :) I fully agree with your post, as even if Im a NROS Guide I do understand that the normal TCP/IP racing that GPL and N3 will offer is a great alternative. Be also sure Greg that FF wheels will work with N3. Maybe not using Force Feedback, but they will work ! -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I don't disagree there. I just am unsure how much support NASCAR is actually giving it. I'd exepct that an official division of NASCAR would be held to the same standards as every other division which means licensing, etc. I guess thats what I expected and that didn't come to fruitation. True, the NROS, IF they have N3 on it, does have some advantages (at least theoretically). For 250K it better be a damn excellent server or else Sun screwed them. ;) True, true. IF NROS is not on TEN when N3 comes about then yeah, it will be a dedicated front end with hopefully less than 3 connections as per TEN and not a 640x480 form :) Dunno, I couldn't say..only people that can say how good or not good the prediction code is is the guys who wrote it. :) I'd still rather see CART2000/3/2/whatever. ;)

They work in GPL. They work in N99, so whichever code base they use it will work. :)

So then YOU'RE responsible for that dream last night. Well done! I'd always fancied Cindy Crawford. Exactly; TCP/IP for more informal racing, and commercial services like NROS that offer a step up, with the promise of fame and fortune on offer to the truly quick. The more the merrier! Steve B. P.S. Give Cindy a rest tonight. I've been pooped all day! :-) Remove "edy" from address for email

100% Agree with you here. TCP/IP is a blast. If you feel your doing good and want to "elevate" your racing level, you will be able to go in the Ok... tonight is Laetitia Casta ;-) (Hmm actually no I changed my mind. Laetitia is mine ;-D ). -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Im unsure also. The people at the top are aware of everything happening on the NROS. The problems related to boots, and general fiability problems. I speculated that they are probably waiting for N3 to start their marketing push. Hopefully. Hehe but they still would have those darn SCU13 errors. Argh I hate that on TEN :) But on another way... the NROS on TEN with N3 doesn't nessecary mean it will be via the Internet. Or that if the NROS not on TEN appears, it could still be on the Internet. I still like the tiny TEN window. Don't ask me but I like it.. I can put it on a corner (1200x1024res here) and do other things. IMHO for good multitasking small windows are nessecary. Agree. I only speculated from the things I know. Prediction code is still the way to go on the Internet IMHO. Until we are all on 200kbps+ connections. I still have a blast with Icr2. I would probably race more with CART 2000 than any Papy product if it was true. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."