Is grand prix legends any good?

I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way is it good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? Thanks Sjoerd -- Sjoerd's website: www.sjoweb.nl

It sucks... the life right out of you! All rhetoric aside I think the primary draw of GPL has always been the reliable online play. Prior to the recent crop of NR2003 mods it was really the only robust way to do road racing online. And yes it will work fine with XP and a P4. You will need a patch for the increased CPU speed (www.papy.com) and some people have found they have to have indexing turned on in XP to get it to install. BTW those are really beautiful photos at your website. "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bsscte$ght$[email hidden]... > I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way isit

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> good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > Thanks > > Sjoerd > > > -- > Sjoerd's website: > > www.sjoweb.nl > >

> I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way isit > good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > Thanks > > Sjoerd Hi, it's simply the best simulator ever! Works fine on XP. Try it :)

"Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bsscte$ght$[email hidden]... > I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way isit

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> good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > Thanks > > Sjoerd > > > -- > Sjoerd's website: > > www.sjoweb.nl > >

Are you new to computers by any chance...??

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> it > > good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > > > Thanks > > > > Sjoerd > > > > > > -- > > Sjoerd's website: > > > > www.sjoweb.nl > > > > > > > Are you new to computers by any chance...?? > >

Why do you ask?

GPL is the benchmark of sims...about a million posts here about it since it came out oh so long ago... Just get it, though...you won't be disappointed. Marc "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bssj8q$2sp$[email hidden]...

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> > "Paulinho" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:bsshuq$j3m$[email hidden]... > > > > "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bsscte$ght$[email hidden]... > > > I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way > is > > it > > > good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sjoerd > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sjoerd's website: > > > > > > www.sjoweb.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you new to computers by any chance...?? > > > > > > Why do you ask? > >

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> It is good IF you like the most realistic simulator ever made, and are man > enough to handle it :) > XP and P4 should be no problem. Never has been for me. > > GPL takes patience, dedication and pure desire to tame the beast. > > All for around $10 these days :) > > -Larry >

Exactly why it didn't sell very well unfortunity :// for us simlovers

Yes, it is a bit old. But so is fine Wine :) It is good IF you like the most realistic simulator ever made, and are man enough to handle it :) XP and P4 should be no problem. Never has been for me. GPL takes patience, dedication and pure desire to tame the beast. All for around $10 these days :) -Larry "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bsscte$ght$[email hidden]... > I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way isit

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> good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > Thanks > > Sjoerd > > > -- > Sjoerd's website: > > www.sjoweb.nl > >

Make sure you get the GPL patches from papy.com http://www.papy.com/framesets/downframe.htm then head on over to www.racesimcentral.com , jump into the GPL forum. There are a ton of updates for GPL, the standard graphics will look a bit dated but once you get the track and car updates, dash updates, etc it will be quite impressive. On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:27:21 +0100, "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way is it >good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > >Thanks > >Sjoerd > > >-- >Sjoerd's website: > >www.sjoweb.nl > >

Rich8 wrote: > Make sure you get the GPL patches from papy.com > then head on over to www.racesimcentral.com , jump into the GPL forum. Even better, get Magnus's "GPL all-in-one patch" from the latter site if you want to run it on XP. Just installed it on my brother's XP system with no trouble. > There are a ton of updates for GPL, the standard graphics will look a > bit dated but once you get the track and car updates, dash updates, > etc it will be quite impressive. Yep, don't forget to visit gplea.org. This is a must-see. >>I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way is it >>good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? It's good in the way that it's a total challenge, great fun once you've learned to drive it, and puts most other "simulators" to shame :) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -21)

In article <bsscte$ght$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Sjoerd van der Wal) wrote: > I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way > is it > good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? Yes, it should ok with those os's. It is rather an old driving sim (its NOT a game, really, its NOT!) but despite that, it is still one of the most rewarding and playable sims out there. The graphics on a fast pc are gorgeous, the physics are some of the best ever, and there are loads (truckoads) of mods, eg: new add on tracks, cars, skins, set-ups, graphics packs, etc, etc. And it has probably one of the best and most stable on-line modes of any game.sim ever. Go get it man, what are you waiting for? 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~pjgtech/home.html

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> In article <bsscte$ght$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Sjoerd van der Wal) wrote: > > > I've read a lot about this game here. It is a bit old, but in what way > > is it > > good? Will it work on XP and Pentium 4? > > Yes, it should ok with those os's. > > It is rather an old driving sim (its NOT a game, really, its NOT!) but > despite that, it is still one of the most rewarding and playable sims out > there. > > The graphics on a fast pc are gorgeous, the physics are some of the best > ever, and there are loads (truckoads) of mods, eg: new add on tracks, > cars, skins, set-ups, graphics packs, etc, etc. > > And it has probably one of the best and most stable on-line modes of any > game.sim ever. > > Go get it man, what are you waiting for? > > 8-) > > *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~pjgtech/home.html

Thanks for al your advice. Now I know for sure I am going to look for the game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the Netherlands, but I will search everywhere till I find it). Thanks again. Sjoerd -- Sjoerd's website: www.sjoweb.nl

You get a lot of hype about GPL here because people have been enjoying this game for 5 years and therefore they tend to look askance at anything new. But here are some undeniable facts that any objective person would admit to: a) it's not the best simulator every made, most likely that title belongs to NR 2003; b) no matter what you do with graphics upgrades it does not and will not ever look as good as a more recent sim because the pale color palette and flat lighting apparently can not be changed; c) there are known inadequacies in the tire model that all the fast guys exploit - they run unrealistic setups and drive it like an arcade game and as a result are a good 2 seconds faster than anyone who sets up their car and drives it in a realistic manner. Don't get me wrong, it is a truly fun game and if you can find it cheap it is worth getting. Certainly if you like a difficult challenge GPL is it. Just don't expect it to live up to the hype. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, I'm just saying that realistically there is no reason to go searching through every computer shop in the Netherlands just to find it. If you want the best road racing simulator ever made just get NR 2003 and download one of the Trans Am mods instead. When I go back and forth between the two I find GPL feels absolutely numb compared to the TA physics, and I can't stand looking at the washed out graphics in GPL anymore, despite having all the add-ons. "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bt3muk$k88$[email hidden]... > > > Thanks for al your advice. Now I know for sure I am going to look for the > game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the Netherlands, butI

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> will search everywhere till I find it). > Thanks again. > > Sjoerd > > > -- > Sjoerd's website: > > www.sjoweb.nl > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You get a lot of hype about GPL here because "Is grand prix legends any good?" "yes." It's okay to own more than one sim, just make sure gpl is one of them ;-) Malc.

Maybe, but It is 5 years old and people will still tell you it's #1. To see the most revolutionary piece of sim racing software of all time - get GPL. Any sim racer without a copy of GPL is not a sim racer at all. And the tracks.................it's worth it just for the 174 corner, 14+ mile Nurburgring! And then there's Spa, Monza, etc when they were not made to be safe! :) Owning this sim is like owning a piece of history, both for the time period it represents and the history of GPL in the sim market. It is a giant on both counts. It's still the only open wheeler sim that can be raced properly (20 online at once) to this day. We can thank the FIA dickheads for that since they won't allow online racing of sims based on modern F1. Haqsau has given a bit of an impression that GPL is not realistic - wrong. Papy admitted that the tyre model was less than perfect (with a few years of 20/20 hindsight I might add) and it seems some have let this effect their perspective. The sense of realism is extreme. Simple answer - get GPL or miss out on something the rest of us who have been around since day 1 of release (and even the odd beta copies pre release) have marveled over the last 5 years! GET IT! "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You get a lot of hype about GPL here because people have been enjoyingthis > game for 5 years and therefore they tend to look askance at anything new. > But here are some undeniable facts that any objective person would admitto: > a) it's not the best simulator every made, most likely that title belongsto > NR 2003; b) no matter what you do with graphics upgrades it does not and > will not ever look as good as a more recent sim because the pale color > palette and flat lighting apparently can not be changed; c) there areknown > inadequacies in the tire model that all the fast guys exploit - they run > unrealistic setups and drive it like an arcade game and as a result are a > good 2 seconds faster than anyone who sets up their car and drives it in a > realistic manner. Don't get me wrong, it is a truly fun game and if youcan > find it cheap it is worth getting. Certainly if you like a difficult > challenge GPL is it. Just don't expect it to live up to the hype. I'mnot > trying to talk you out of it, I'm just saying that realistically there isno

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> reason to go searching through every computer shop in the Netherlands just > to find it. If you want the best road racing simulator ever made just get > NR 2003 and download one of the Trans Am mods instead. When I go back and > forth between the two I find GPL feels absolutely numb compared to the TA > physics, and I can't stand looking at the washed out graphics in GPL > anymore, despite having all the add-ons. > > > > "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bt3muk$k88$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Thanks for al your advice. Now I know for sure I am going to look for

the > > game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the Netherlands,but

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> I > > will search everywhere till I find it). > > Thanks again. > > > > Sjoerd > > > > > > -- > > Sjoerd's website: > > > > www.sjoweb.nl > > > > > >

Well put :) -Larry "Byron John Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Maybe, but > > It is 5 years old and people will still tell you it's #1. To see themost > revolutionary piece of sim racing software of all time - get GPL. Any sim > racer without a copy of GPL is not a sim racer at all. And the > tracks.................it's worth it just for the 174 corner, 14+ mile > Nurburgring! And then there's Spa, Monza, etc when they were not made tobe > safe! :) Owning this sim is like owning a piece of history, both for the > time period it represents and the history of GPL in the sim market. It isa > giant on both counts. It's still the only open wheeler sim that can beraced > properly (20 online at once) to this day. We can thank the FIA dickheadsfor > that since they won't allow online racing of sims based on modern F1. > > Haqsau has given a bit of an impression that GPL is not realistic - > wrong. Papy admitted that the tyre model was less than perfect (with a few > years of 20/20 hindsight I might add) and it seems some have let thiseffect > their perspective. The sense of realism is extreme. > > Simple answer - get GPL or miss out on something the rest of us whohave

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> been around since day 1 of release (and even the odd beta copies pre > release) have marveled over the last 5 years! GET IT! > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You get a lot of hype about GPL here because people have been enjoying > this > > game for 5 years and therefore they tend to look askance at anything

new. > > But here are some undeniable facts that any objective person would admit > to: > > a) it's not the best simulator every made, most likely that titlebelongs

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> to > > NR 2003; b) no matter what you do with graphics upgrades it does not and > > will not ever look as good as a more recent sim because the pale color > > palette and flat lighting apparently can not be changed; c) there are > known > > inadequacies in the tire model that all the fast guys exploit - they run > > unrealistic setups and drive it like an arcade game and as a result are

a > > good 2 seconds faster than anyone who sets up their car and drives it ina > > realistic manner. Don't get me wrong, it is a truly fun game and if you > can > > find it cheap it is worth getting. Certainly if you like a difficult > > challenge GPL is it. Just don't expect it to live up to the hype. I'm > not > > trying to talk you out of it, I'm just saying that realistically thereis > no > > reason to go searching through every computer shop in the Netherlandsjust > > to find it. If you want the best road racing simulator ever made justget > > NR 2003 and download one of the Trans Am mods instead. When I go backand > > forth between the two I find GPL feels absolutely numb compared to theTA

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> > physics, and I can't stand looking at the washed out graphics in GPL > > anymore, despite having all the add-ons. > > > > > > > > "Sjoerd van der Wal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bt3muk$k88$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Thanks for al your advice. Now I know for sure I am going to look for > the > > > game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the Netherlands, > but > > I > > > will search everywhere till I find it). > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > Sjoerd > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sjoerd's website: > > > > > > www.sjoweb.nl > > > > > > > > > > > >

Let me put it a different way, it CAN be realistic, but that depends on the user. The default setups are fairly realistic, and the replays that come with the game show some pretty realistic driving. A person could certainly learn to drive with the default setups at benchmark pace and do moderately well online if he is consistent enough. But the current records at most tracks are at least 2 seconds faster than that, sometimes quite a bit more. I have downloaded plenty of hotlap replays and setups, and very few are realistic. Not for pavement anyway. Maybe for a dirt track. Nobody would use such huge bars, huge toe settings, and minimal brake bias in real life. Nobody on a hard pavement race track would throw the car sideways into a corner to slow it down faster, yet I have seen this plenty of times in hotlap replays, particularly at places like Mexico or Kyalami where there are a lot of low speed turns. The tire model may not force you to drive this way but it certainly rewards you for doing so. Again, it CAN be realistic if you decide to play it that way. And it can be a lot of fun even when played realistically. But there are big holes in the physics model that allow a person to go faster by not being realistic. That's just a fact, the evidence can be downloaded by anyone. I won't name names, but there are even several prominent GPLers who have said as much. And again please understand I still play this game all the time, and I do enjoy it. In fact I was in Eldred's full length Rouen race just yesterday and I managed a third place out of 11 starters. So it's not like I don't like this game or I suck at it or something, I do like at and I'm not that bad. Despite how it may appear I'm not trying to put it down and I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to be objective. There is no doubt that when it was released it was the greatest simulator ever. But I'm sure even the developers would take exception to anyone saying it is still the greatest sim ever. After all they have turned out 3 more games since then, each one a marked improvement over its predecessor from a simulation standpoint. "Byron John Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Haqsau has given a bit of an impression that GPL is not realistic - > wrong. Papy admitted that the tyre model was less than perfect (with a few > years of 20/20 hindsight I might add) and it seems some have let thiseffect > their perspective. The sense of realism is extreme. >

Sjoerd van der Wal wrote: > game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the Netherlands, but I > will search everywhere till I find it). No need to search 'everywhere' Sjoerd, just look in the bargain basement dept of the V & D warehouse (here in Tilburg it has several at 7.5 euros.) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -21)

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> Sjoerd van der Wal wrote: > >> game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the >> Netherlands, but I will search everywhere till I find it). > > No need to search 'everywhere' Sjoerd, just look in the bargain > basement dept of the V & D warehouse (here in Tilburg it has several > at 7.5 euros.) > > Regards, Rudy > (GPLRank -21) > >

Or order on-line at www.sold-out.co.uk for 4.99 UK pounds And get NR2003 for 9.95 euros at Dynabyte :-)

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> Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:bt5ndc$pu2$[email hidden]: > > > Sjoerd van der Wal wrote: > > > >> game in the shops (it is not widely available here in the > >> Netherlands, but I will search everywhere till I find it). > > > > No need to search 'everywhere' Sjoerd, just look in the bargain > > basement dept of the V & D warehouse (here in Tilburg it has several > > at 7.5 euros.) > > > > Regards, Rudy > > (GPLRank -21) > > > > > > Or order on-line at www.sold-out.co.uk for 4.99 UK pounds > And get NR2003 for 9.95 euros at Dynabyte :-)

I'll do that, thanks. Sjoerd

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Let me put it a different way, it CAN be realistic, but that depends onthe > user. The default setups are fairly realistic, and the replays that come > with the game show some pretty realistic driving. A person couldcertainly > learn to drive with the default setups at benchmark pace and do moderately > well online if he is consistent enough. But the current records at most > tracks are at least 2 seconds faster than that, sometimes quite a bitmore. To be expected. Simmers do a lot more laps than real life drivers. Also, they can explore and perfect what would be insane in real life. Resetting is a lot easier than recovering in hospital! :) > > I have downloaded plenty of hotlap replays and setups, and very few are > realistic. Not for pavement anyway. Maybe for a dirt track. Nobody would > use such huge bars, huge toe settings, and minimal brake bias in reallife. > Nobody on a hard pavement race track would throw the car sideways into a > corner to slow it down faster, yet I have seen this plenty of times in > hotlap replays, particularly at places like Mexico or Kyalami where there > are a lot of low speed turns. The tire model may not force you to drive > this way but it certainly rewards you for doing so. I don't think scrubbing off speed by being a little sideways on entry to a corner (throwing it in) is unrealistic. The most glaring hole in GPL, and any sim that doesn't cover brake wear and overheating, is the practice of adjusting brake bias so front wheels dont lock and controlling the rears with throttle - effective ABS. That stinks. In real life the rear brakes would melt down and there would be a slight fuel economy issue as well. Personally, I won't even consider simming again until this is addressed..... and I can race online against full fields......in a non Nascar sim :) > > Again, it CAN be realistic if you decide to play it that way. And it canbe > a lot of fun even when played realistically. But there are big holes inthe > physics model that allow a person to go faster by not being realistic. > That's just a fact, the evidence can be downloaded by anyone. I won'tname

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> names, but there are even several prominent GPLers who have said as much. > > And again please understand I still play this game all the time, and I do > enjoy it. In fact I was in Eldred's full length Rouen race just yesterday > and I managed a third place out of 11 starters. So it's not like I don't > like this game or I suck at it or something, I do like at and I'm not that > bad. Despite how it may appear I'm not trying to put it down and I'm not > trolling. I'm just trying to be objective. There is no doubt that when

it > was released it was the greatest simulator ever. But I'm sure even the > developers would take exception to anyone saying it is still the greatest > sim ever. After all they have turned out 3 more games since then, eachone > a marked improvement over its predecessor from a simulation standpoint. > Now that's more balanced. I'd say it's still the best open wheeler sim since it's the only one that allows full online play. And thus it's longevity. Maybe Papy pay off the FIA? :)

Have you tried either the TPTCC mod or the beta PTA physics for NR 2003? IMO that's the best and most complete physics available right now for online road racing. I don't think you can get away with the brake bias trick in it, although I haven't actually tried. And certainly you can race a full field in it because it's still the Papy online code. Also there are a lot of converted GPL tracks available for it. Granted, it's not an open wheeler sim so you have to get used to sitting in a restrictive cockpit view, but other than that I think it's the best online road racing available right now. Oops, I already said that, didn't I? ;o) "Byron John Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > The most glaring hole in GPL, and > any sim that doesn't cover brake wear and overheating, is the practice of > adjusting brake bias so front wheels dont lock and controlling the rears > with throttle - effective ABS. That stinks. In real life the rear brakes > would melt down and there would be a slight fuel economy issue as well. > Personally, I won't even consider simming again until this is

addressed..... > and I can race online against full fields......in a non Nascar sim :) >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Granted, it's not an open wheeler > sim so you have to get used to sitting in a restrictive cockpit view, Is it not possible to cut the 3D model so that there is no top?