GPL - Qualifying

Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips on getting my head into qualifying mode? I have no hope! Tim -- ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________

Well {to me} your times are not bad and if you race in the 3:20s I would think that you are no novice but an intermediate. I agree though; everyone cant be a "hot-shoe" Tim. Just think though that mountain {aka goal} gets smaller & smaller each race..eh? <BG> ^Fretts...

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> Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips > on getting my head into qualifying mode? > I have no hope! > Tim > -- > ________________________________________________ > Tim Wheatley > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > http://start.at/igps_stats > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar > ________________________________________________

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Thanks, very re-assuring :) Oh and everyone my page should be up again soon, it's 5am, I have been re-building it all night, also I am keeping a replica on my computer, if it happens again I simply upload to a new server, so FortuneCity have one chance left. Tim -- ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________

I do exactly the same thing. It's because in qual you try to be fast, but in the race you try to be smooth... btw. that's not even intermediate, that's fast with Honda ;)

I know what you mean. ALL of my fastest laps are done in a race. Having someone to race with seems to motivate me. Lars. On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:11:28 +0100, "Tim Wheatley"

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>Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what >it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have >shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me >motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't >seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with >a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). >That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why >was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps >also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips >on getting my head into qualifying mode? >I have no hope! >Tim

Tim: Try 3 3 lap sessions with a reduced fuel load, and see if the combo of fresher tires and less weight do anything for you. MM

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> Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips > on getting my head into qualifying mode? > I have no hope! > Tim > -- > ________________________________________________ > Tim Wheatley > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > http://start.at/igps_stats > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar > ________________________________________________

Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say, then at that time you'll have something to race against ! The ideal being that you'd have just the difference between the intermediate times of your fastest last and your current lap, somewhat like it shows in race compared to the fastest AI. I know there is an add-on that can do that but only once out of GPL. I'd like something like a little board appearing when you pass the intermediate mark. Any good programmer around ?

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> Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips > on getting my head into qualifying mode? > I have no hope! > Tim > -- > ________________________________________________ > Tim Wheatley > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > http://start.at/igps_stats > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar > ________________________________________________

Actually that would propably increase laptimes since the tires take at least two laps to warm to the optimum temperature. And the first hot lap is seldom the fastest.

I'm no programmer... but good idea! --dave

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> Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in > qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were > set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say, > then at that time you'll have something to race against ! The ideal being that > you'd have just the difference between the intermediate times of your fastest > last and your current lap, somewhat like it shows in race compared to the > fastest AI. > I know there is an add-on that can do that but only once out of GPL. I'd like > something like a little board appearing when you pass the intermediate mark. Any > good programmer around ? > > Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what > > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have > > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me > > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't > > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with > > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). > > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why > > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps > > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips > > on getting my head into qualifying mode? > > I have no hope! > > Tim > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > Tim Wheatley > > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > > http://start.at/igps_stats > > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant > > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar > > ________________________________________________

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:17:53 +0300, "Marko Viitanen" >I do exactly the same thing. It's because in qual you try to be fast, but in >the race you try to be smooth... That is a very good point. I'm assuming it isn't lack of motivation that Tim is describing- he's attacking the course. But after several laps in a race, you've got a rhythm, your mind is planted in the situation, and you aren't pushing the car around as much, IMO. Put it this way, in a qual sess, I always brake too late. Instinctually I do that becaue I feel that is where I'm getting my speed. But of course, in most cases, it is the speed I leave the turn that really matters- and by braking late, I actually come off slower! Being conservative, as in a race, often means being smooth.

Damn good idea! I am always wondering if a new line I am trying is really faster. Section timing would let you know real time,not after you have finished the lap and then it only gives you the previous lap time. Some one has got to be able to do this. Hey Papy, how about this in a patch? Joe > Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in > qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were > set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say, > then at that time you'll have something to race against ! The ideal being that > you'd have just the difference between the intermediate times of your fastest > last and your current lap, somewhat like it shows in race compared to the > fastest AI. > I know there is an add-on that can do that but only once out of GPL. I'd like > something like a little board appearing when you pass the intermediate mark. Any > good programmer around ? > > Okay, am I the only person (not just with GPL) but I simply do not have what > > it takes to be a Hot Lapper or a great qualifier, I can go fast, as I have > > shown to others, but I ALWAYS can go faster in races, it seems to give me > > motivation when I have someone to chase after, chasing after a time doesn't > > seem to get my *** going. For Example, today (racing AI) I qualified with > > a 3:22 at Spa, in the race my fastest lap was a 3:20 (with NO slipstream). > > That was in the Honda, which I believe are both very fast laptimes, but why > > was I faster in the race?? I did 9 qualifying laps! And the race was 9 laps > > also, so is it just my head screwing me around?? And do any of you have tips

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> > on getting my head into qualifying mode? > > I have no hope! > > Tim > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > Tim Wheatley > > "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" > > http://start.at/igps_stats > > IGPS Driver - Ferrari Challenge Driver - NTT Participant > > http://drive.to/grandprixlegends > > http://website.lineone.net/~nascar > > ________________________________________________

>> Same for me ! I believe there is only one thing which could help us improve in >> qualifying : intermediate times ! If all tracks were >> set up so that you could see your intermediate times every kilometer let say, >> then at that time you'll have something to race against ! I'd love that, and I'd also love in-car tire-temps and ability to see driver order and so forth... but it all start to run in to the fact that this is a sim of 1967, and there were no in-car radios then (AFAIK), nor the technology to give instantaneous lap times and splits. That said, I'd still put on an add-on that would give me all these things. Tire temps in particular is something I'd love to see even more, and which would save me a lot of experiment time.

I am the same. My best laps have come from races in which I spent lap after lap try to get closer to the car in front, specially when I;m second in a race; I seem to have the car glued to the track in those situations, and I never seem to try too hard or blow the engine as opposed to hot lapping. My latest solution to this problem (it's been working for me anyway...) is to have the AI fastest driver (J.Clark in my case, I like the original drivers names incidently) cars always set in between 1 and 3 seconds faster than my fastest time. At qualifying, I accelerate it for a bit, until the initial fastest lap has been set by J.Clark. Then I wait until he crosses the finish line and set off from the pits in pursue of him, If I overtake after initially putting some distance between my car and the AI car, then I am doing well. I usually hit my fastest time in 2 laps nowadays, not counting the "warm-up 1st lap". My fastest time in Spa during a race is 3:19.89 driving a Lotus. that is my absolute record in Spa, which is where I've been racing for the last 2 months. I am sure you've seen replays of guys hitting 3.14s in Spa, I just don't think about those sort of times at the moment, frightening... MAOA

That may be a little part of it, but having another car in front of you does help seeing the racing line. I find for me I get the best times when I don't concentrate on attacking the course. When I just sort of "zone out" and get into a rhythm, I find I get my best times. My fastest laps never seem like really fast laps, either. When I drive like a madman and think I really nailed a lap, I usually find my times are off, but If I think a lap was just average, I often find it was blazing fast. Getting into a smooth rhythm is the key. --- Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address. Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Hey baby, wanna kill all the humans?

I completey agree. I think that I go faster in a race because I am aware that I cannot afford a spin as it will lose too much time. So if I ever get slightly off line or things get a bit sideways, I will back off a bit during a race. Whereas during a hotlap attempt, I would keep the throttle nailed down and probably end up spinning :-( Obviously in qualifying/hotlap mode, you sub-conciously know that if you spin you've only lost that lap, so you can push that bit harder (and make mistakes), but in the race you aim for consistency. Try racing at Grand Prix level. Here you are also aware that going off will inevitably bend/break the car, so it is yet another incentive NOT to crash/spin. Another tip is to go round each corner a gear higher than you would normally, so eliminating wheel spin. See any lap by Wolfgang Woeger for a 1st class demo of how it should be done! On the subject of intermediate lap times, I don't know if you guys 'n' gals have found the GplSplitTimes.exe program written by Dave Noonan. It doesn't work in game, but it's better than nothing. It's a DOS based program, which breaks up a lap replay into section times. What I do is open two DOS windows, download a hotlap replay, and then compare my times with the hotlap. I can then see where I'm losing time. It's helpful on the shorter circuits, but difficult at the 'Ring (where each section is only in 1Km, 1.25Km, 1.5Km etc unnamed sections). The program is only a 70K zip file, so a quick download. I can't remember where I downloaded the file from, but I still have the original zip file (with readme), so I can post it to alt.binaries.simulators.autos if anyone wants it. Just my 2 pence. Cheers, Nik

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> >The pick-up & faster speeds from other faster AIs or online racers > >in Gpl will sometimes come from "slip-streaming" aka "drafting". Its > >not always but if you have ever followed right behind 'Hill & Clark' > >on Spa's long straight watch the speeds go up 5-10mph more than > >alone. Plus it does work in turns-corners too but it isnt as drastic.. > >{imho} Thom j. > That may be a little part of it, but having another car in front of > you does help seeing the racing line. > I find for me I get the best times when I don't concentrate on > attacking the course. When I just sort of "zone out" and get into a > rhythm, I find I get my best times. My fastest laps never seem like > really fast laps, either. When I drive like a madman and think I > really nailed a lap, I usually find my times are off, but If I think a > lap was just average, I often find it was blazing fast. Getting into > a smooth rhythm is the key. > --- > Jet Jaguar > I have a spam blocking address. Replying to me is like pulling teeth. > Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ > MSTie #54297 > Hey baby, wanna kill all the humans?

Ooooops, I've just found where I got the GplSplitTimes program. It's at: http://www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html under 26th Feb update. Cheers, Nik

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> >The pick-up & faster speeds from other faster AIs or online racers > >in Gpl will sometimes come from "slip-streaming" aka "drafting". Its > >not always but if you have ever followed right behind 'Hill & Clark' > >on Spa's long straight watch the speeds go up 5-10mph more than > >alone. Plus it does work in turns-corners too but it isnt as drastic.. > >{imho} Thom j. > That may be a little part of it, but having another car in front of > you does help seeing the racing line. > I find for me I get the best times when I don't concentrate on > attacking the course. When I just sort of "zone out" and get into a > rhythm, I find I get my best times. My fastest laps never seem like > really fast laps, either. When I drive like a madman and think I > really nailed a lap, I usually find my times are off, but If I think a > lap was just average, I often find it was blazing fast. Getting into > a smooth rhythm is the key. > --- > Jet Jaguar > I have a spam blocking address. Replying to me is like pulling teeth. > Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ > MSTie #54297 > Hey baby, wanna kill all the humans?

On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:26:46 GMT,

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>I find for me I get the best times when I don't concentrate on >attacking the course. When I just sort of "zone out" and get into a >rhythm, I find I get my best times. My fastest laps never seem like >really fast laps, either. When I drive like a madman and think I >really nailed a lap, I usually find my times are off, but If I think a >lap was just average, I often find it was blazing fast. Getting into >a smooth rhythm is the key. >--- >Jet Jaguar >I have a spam blocking address. Replying to me is like pulling teeth. >Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ >MSTie #54297

Agreed. MAOA