Strange phenomenon in CART racing (just bought it)

I mostly bought CART/ICR2 so i could get the Sprint Car patch when it comes out and to convert Phoenix to GPL (hey it was only 5 bucks and i got a second copy of N1 with it). Anyway i played the game with Indy cars and found out it would actually get some use so i went about downloading the usual upgrade stuff (99 carset, new sounds, the free track converter, converted Homestead track...etc). Anyways the odd thing i noticed...especially on the converted tracks such as C***te and Atlanta is the car just "washes out" in the middle of the corner. Almost like when a real race car blows a right rear. The car just goes into snap oversteer without my moving the wheel. I noticed this too at other tracks but not michigan which is similar to the problem converted tracks. Is the game really that "throttle sensitive" or is this a bug? Thanks in advance, Chris

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> Almost like when a real race car blows a right rear. The car just goes into >snap oversteer without my moving the wheel. I noticed this too at other tracks >but not michigan which is similar to the problem converted tracks. Is the game >really that "throttle sensitive" or is this a bug? >Thanks in advance, >Chris

If you're using version 1.01 or less it might be the excessive-oversteer bug that got patched in v1.02. Regards, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp, Telemedia ////////////// Phone: +49 5241 80 10 66 Carl-Bertelsmann-Str. 161 I \\\\\\\\\\ uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de 33311 Guetersloh \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://www.schuerkamp.de/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Um... Sprint Car patch?? Where did you hear about that? --Dave

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> I mostly bought CART/ICR2 so i could get the Sprint Car patch when it comes out > and to convert Phoenix to GPL (hey it was only 5 bucks and i got a second copy > of N1 with it). Anyway i played the game with Indy cars and found out it would > actually get some use so i went about downloading the usual upgrade stuff (99 > carset, new sounds, the free track converter, converted Homestead track...etc). > Anyways the odd thing i noticed...especially on the converted tracks such as > C***te and Atlanta is the car just "washes out" in the middle of the corner. > Almost like when a real race car blows a right rear. The car just goes into > snap oversteer without my moving the wheel. I noticed this too at other tracks > but not michigan which is similar to the problem converted tracks. Is the game > really that "throttle sensitive" or is this a bug? > Thanks in advance, > Chris

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

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Thanks for the tip... but still can't find it. Where do I go once there? I looked on the News page, but nothing... -_Dave > >>Um... Sprint Car patch?? Where did you hear about that?<< > [link lost in import: /***world/] -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

It's on the ICR2 page of Sim***world, ina subdivision called Sprint Cars. Also, click on the flags in the upper left corner of the main page to see some more screenshots. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

aha!! found it. Thanks Dan! -_Dave

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> >Thanks for the tip... but still can't find it. Where do I go once there? > >I looked on the News page, but nothing... > It's on the ICR2 page of Sim***world, ina subdivision called Sprint Cars. > Also, click on the flags in the upper left corner of the main page to see some > more screenshots. > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

I know your problem.. it happens often on those D-shaped tracks that you convert to Icr2. Even if you tried an extreme understeering car.. it will happen. I guessed that it was a limitation of the game engine. The most banked track in the game was Michigan.. and if you create a very loose car it will happen (the snap oversteer). So I guess any track with more banking at high speed will make this happens. It's a bummer... I liked Talladega N2 with Icr2 cars (adjusted the speed of the AI), but there's always that snap-oversteer that can happen in 0.1seconds. You need total control of the car. It's the only good thing about that. You really need to focus totally on the car's tiny adjustments, and you really start to feel the car. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'm really sure that it has something to do about banking and the car... Try Bristol, 'Dega, or RedRock. All are impossible. The engine isn't designed to simulate high banks well. -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 >I mostly bought CART/ICR2 so i could get the Sprint Car patch when it comes out >and to convert Phoenix to GPL (hey it was only 5 bucks and i got a second copy >of N1 with it). Anyway i played the game with Indy cars and found out it would >actually get some use so i went about downloading the usual upgrade stuff (99 >carset, new sounds, the free track converter, converted Homestead track...etc). > Anyways the odd thing i noticed...especially on the converted tracks such as >C***te and Atlanta is the car just "washes out" in the middle of the corner. > Almost like when a real race car blows a right rear. The car just goes into >snap oversteer without my moving the wheel. I noticed this too at other tracks >but not michigan which is similar to the problem converted tracks. Is the game >really that "throttle sensitive" or is this a bug? >Thanks in advance, >Chris

yes, and another thing is that it is impossible to keep from cooking the tires, too. Bristol, for some reason, seems a lot harder to get around than I would've thought, too... You'd think it would be flat out with all that banking... --Dave

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> > Anyways the odd thing i noticed...especially on the converted tracks such > as > > C***te and Atlanta is the car just "washes out" in the middle of the > corner. > > Almost like when a real race car blows a right rear. The car just goes > into > > snap oversteer without my moving the wheel. I noticed this too at other > tracks > > but not michigan which is similar to the problem converted tracks. Is the > game > > really that "throttle sensitive" or is this a bug? > I know your problem.. it happens often on those D-shaped tracks that you > convert to Icr2. Even if you tried an extreme understeering car.. it will > happen. I guessed that it was a limitation of the game engine. The most > banked track in the game was Michigan.. and if you create a very loose car > it will happen (the snap oversteer). So I guess any track with more banking > at high speed will make this happens. > It's a bummer... I liked Talladega N2 with Icr2 cars (adjusted the speed of > the AI), but there's always that snap-oversteer that can happen in > 0.1seconds. You need total control of the car. It's the only good thing > about that. You really need to focus totally on the car's tiny adjustments, > and you really start to feel the car. > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe