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Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees. -- Greg Hellmann "Cause when the feelin's right, i'm gonna race all night."

Whew! Hard to see how you can find any better pots than those.

For long lasting control, especially for steering, you must consider both the pots and the means of connection. ECCI pots have typically lasted two to three years under heavy use conditions. This has been due primarily to the initial quality and proprietary ECCI enhancements of the potentionmeters. Regarding basic component quality, the ECCI enhanced pots we distribute to our customers are the ONLY ones that have survived our torture tests that simulate years of intense use. We now announce a new feature that will further enhance ECCI pot performance, the new ECCI steering pot connector. This enhancement is the result of our extensive research into factors that lead to potentiometer failure. To improve our performance even more than our historical record has evidenced, we are now specifying in our 1999 CDS4000 series steering units, a newly designed flexible machined aircraft aluminum connector, that is completely rigid in rotation, yet flexible enough in bending to minimize eccentric loading of the steering pot. This allows the steering to have the precision and instantaneous response of a rigid connection, but with the longer life of a flexible, bendable connector. This new connector is also available as an upgrade to all previous ECCI systems (except for the very early version of the original CDS, which has a gear drive pot setup). All ECCI electrical components including potentiometers are warranted against failure or control inconsistency for one year, regardless of the frequency of use. We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be interested in these components, but these parts are designed specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI owners are eligible to purchase them. Andy Cers ECCI htp://www.ecci.net "Move up to true professional Quality... move up to ECCI"

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> Whew! Hard to see how you can find any better pots than those. > >Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC > >pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been > >running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they > >still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are > >a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart > >outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime > >expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long > >run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the > >installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not > >have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees.

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>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from >this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds >available to have done so. >Hey Andy, wanna race? >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- ECCI has obviously done a lot of research to help provide their customers with the very best product they can. The ECCI wheel is much pricier than the TSW product, so I'm sure that people who would consider buying an ECCI wheel will be glad to hear that ECCI is so thorough in their research and testing. For those of you who might consider the tone to be "snobbish" or "arrogant," remember -- ECCI is just trying to keep us informed about their product, not gloat about their superiority. This is no different than a press release from companies like Thrustmaster, Sierra, or anybody else -- it's just product information wrapped in a message designed to shed a positve light on the company. So give Andy a break, okay? Beat him up on the track with your TSW if you must <G>, but don't dog the guy for simply trying to inform us about the research and development that goes into his product. ;-) -- JB

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>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:26:05 GMT, >>>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from >>>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds >>>available to have done so. >>>Hey Andy, wanna race? >>I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- >But you snipped his comments. Why did you do that?

YOU snipped his, too, for that matter, so what's the difference? I did the snipping because I hate to scroll through long messages -- I consider snipping a courtesy. -- JB

To help resolve "the great snipping debate, here's the WHOLE thing <G>:

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>For long lasting control, especially for steering, you must consider >both the pots and the means of connection. ECCI pots have typically >lasted two to three years under heavy use conditions. This has been due >primarily to the initial quality and proprietary ECCI enhancements of >the potentionmeters. Regarding basic component quality, the ECCI >enhanced pots we distribute to our customers are the ONLY ones that have >survived our torture tests that simulate years of intense use. >We now announce a new feature that will further enhance ECCI pot >performance, the new ECCI steering pot connector. This enhancement is >the result of our extensive research into factors that lead to >potentiometer failure. To improve our performance even more than our >historical record has evidenced, we are now specifying in our 1999 >CDS4000 series steering units, a newly designed flexible machined >aircraft aluminum connector, that is completely rigid in rotation, yet >flexible enough in bending to minimize eccentric loading of the steering >pot. This allows the steering to have the precision and instantaneous >response of a rigid connection, but with the longer life of a flexible, >bendable connector. This new connector is also available as an upgrade >to all previous ECCI systems (except for the very early version of the >original CDS, which has a gear drive pot setup). >All ECCI electrical components including potentiometers are warranted >against failure or control inconsistency for one year, regardless of the >frequency of use. We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be >interested in these components, but these parts are designed >specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI >owners are eligible to purchase them. >Andy Cers >ECCI >htp://www.ecci.net >"Move up to true professional Quality... move up to ECCI" >> Whew! Hard to see how you can find any better pots than those. >> >Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC >> >pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been >> >running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they >> >still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are >> >a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart >> >outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime >> >expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long >> >run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the >> >installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not >> >have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees. >On 13 Apr 1999 18:25:10 PDT, >>We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be >>interested in these components, but these parts are designed >>specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI >>owners are eligible to purchase them. >>Andy Cers >>ECCI >I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from >this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds >available to have done so. >Hey Andy, wanna race? >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- ECCI has obviously done a lot of research to help provide their customers with the very best product they can. The ECCI wheel is much pricier than the TSW product, so I'm sure that people who would consider buying an ECCI wheel will be glad to hear that ECCI is so thorough in their research and testing. For those of you who might consider the tone to be "snobbish" or "arrogant," remember -- ECCI is just trying to keep us informed about their product, not gloat about their superiority. This is no different than a press release from companies like Thrustmaster, Sierra, or anybody else -- it's just product information wrapped in a message designed to shed a positve light on the company. So give Andy a break, okay? Beat him up on the track with your TSW if you must <G>, but don't dog the guy for simply trying to inform us about the research and development that goes into his product. ;-) -- JB

So, basically, i would have to purchase an ECCI first in order to obtain these cool pots. Might as well buy the whole thing then, eh ? Jeez! Good thing you mentioned your website, but shame i am more than happy with my TSW. >I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from >this snobbish, arrogant company. rrevved, what model you decided to get and what were the reasons that made you choose a TSW rather than an ECCI? I did a review of the TSW Formula '99 at http://www.mgprs2.com. It seems to me that the company concept of Thomas Enterprises and ECCI is conspicuously different. -- Greg Hellmann

>And you did it again...... >*plonk* >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com What can I say -- I'm just in a snippy mood today! <G> (And, yes, I did it yet AGAIN!) <VWG> I did make amends by re-posting the entire set of messages, though, so that must count for something! ;-) -- JB

[snip] rrevved, it'd be appreciated if you could include this info in your mini-review: - what type of pots will be in your TSW. Acc. to the Thomas site, the Stock includes the DK pots? I'm currently using the RS pots on my TSW, but would consider upgrading to DK or Spec pots if you or others feel they're worth it; - what gameport will you be connecting to (I'm using the PDPI L4 with their latest drivers); - if you're driving GPL, what joystick driver (direct input vs. generic) and linearity settings will you wind up using. TIA, Dave ============================ Dave Mack (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

FWIW, like you, I too am a VERY satisfied owner of a TSW2, so I wasn't trying to take anything away from them, or to throw any flak at you -- I just wanted to point out that while the ECCI post may have *seemed* a bit high-and-mighty, I'm sure they were only trying to promote their products a bit. See you in Winner's Circle -- along with all the other TSW owners! <G> -- JB

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>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:28:43 GMT, >>>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:26:05 GMT, >>>>>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from >>>>>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds >>>>>available to have done so. >>>>>Hey Andy, wanna race? >>>>I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- >>>But you snipped his comments. Why did you do that? >>YOU snipped his, too, for that matter, so what's the difference? I >>did the snipping because I hate to scroll through long messages -- I >>consider snipping a courtesy. >>-- JB >And you did it again...... >*plonk* >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

If anybody would like to get a look at the Caliba wheel that Thomas Enterprises is offering as an upgrade, you can see pictures of mine at: http://www.iquest.net/~jbodin/tsw2mod.htm Enjoy! -- JB (Notice how I didn't snip anything from this message? <G>)

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>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:05:54 +0200, >>>We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be >>>interested in these components, but these parts are designed >>>specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered >>ECCI >>>owners are eligible to purchase them. >>>Andy Cers >>>ECCI >>So, basically, i would have to purchase an ECCI first in order to >>obtain these cool pots. Might as well buy the whole thing then, >>eh ? Jeez! Good thing you mentioned your website, but shame i am >>more than happy with my TSW. >>>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from >>>this snobbish, arrogant company. >>rrevved, what model you decided to get and what were the reasons >>that made you choose a TSW rather than an ECCI? I did a review of >>the TSW Formula '99 at http://www.mgprs2.com. It seems to me that >>the company concept of Thomas Enterprises and ECCI is >>conspicuously different. >I am anxiously awaiting my TSW, which is due to ship in the next >few days. I ordered the steel-framed TSW stock, with the GT kit >(t-shape paddle shifters and upgrade wheel). I substituted the blue >suede Caliba racing kart wheel for the d-shaped suede one. Also, it >will have the dual-axis switch and the teardrop shifter knob from >the Formula 99 model. Cost was approx. $695. >I strongly considered the ECCI wheel, but in the end, I liked the fact >that the TSW can be easily repaired by -me- , with locally available parts >should any problems arise. The ECCI wheels look great though, and I >am sure they are fine, high-quality wheels, in spite of the attitude of >Mr. Cers.. ;) . >Also, I -really- liked the Caliba wheel that is available with the TSW. >It is not shown on their site, at the moment, but they have some of them. >BTW, those are excellent reviews at your site! >I will give a mini-review, here, after I get my TSW and put a few >miles on it. >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

Ive driven with an ECCI and the wheel is superb as is the TSW. My only complaint about the ECCI (besides the price ;) ) are the pedals they use from Sherman Tanks <VBG> Although Im sure they will last forever... I just wish they were a bit more.. um, automotive like I guess is the best word I can come up with =) But heck... I couldnt convince my wife to let me spend over $1,000 on a steering device if my life depended on it. Of course if it was a female wardrobe Im sure it would be no problem <VBG> Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

I have also used an ECCI, and totaly agree with Scott as far as it being much better quality than a TSW, and the pedals being not realistic at all. I found a wheel that is priced with the lower end TSW's, that has the most realistic pedals I've seen yet (swing down) and is ECCI quality............check it out, you won't regret it! http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/ Dave Trager - DTrager 1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist Team Xtreme http://members.aol.com/xtremechvy/Xtreme3.html Powered by SRC Wheels http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/

Just a little question: WHERE IS THOMAS' WEB SITE? Thanks :) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 >Anyone know a source of even better potentiometers than the SPEC >pots that can be obtained from Thomas Enterprises? I have been >running them for 3 months now (heavy and frequent use) and they >still calibrate and move like it was the very first day. They are >a bit pricey at $ 65.00 for 3 items plus minor shipping chart >outside the U.S. However, the precision and huge lifetime >expectancy of one million cycles make up for that in the long >run. My calibration is rock solid for months now after the >installation of the TSW SPEC pots. These potentiometers do not >have a mechanical stop; shaft can turn a full 360 degrees. >-- >Greg Hellmann >"Cause when the feelin's right, > i'm gonna race all night."

I didnt say the ECCI was superior to the TSW. I said that both wheels were superb <VBG> Just wanted to clarify that =) Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott on TEN http://home.earthlink.net/~sbhusted ICQ# 4395450

Woodie, Im currently using a Thrustmaster NPro and I race in my socks all the time. I cant wear shoes while racing because my feet are too big for the pedals I guess =) When I used the ECCI pedals I felt like I should be hauling a wagon of fertilizer behind me and wearing a green John Deer hat or something. ROFL Again... Let me say that the ECCI are built fantastically and they work great. The wheel is a very accurate and precise. The pedals work superbly as well... just my opinion that they are a little too "industrial" for my taste is all. Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott on TEN [link lost in import: /~sbhusted] ICQ# 4395450

No, the CDS 4000 pedals do not look like the pedals found in a race car, but this is because they are engineered to be the most comfortable for long distance racing at a computer desktop - a situation quite dirfferent from that of sitting in a race car. At ECCI, we have designed and extensively tested many pedal options, including several hang-down configurations to determine what we would offer for our next generation product, the CDS4000. We refrained from offering the hang-down pedal solution, because we discovered that in a long distance racing situation the heel-pivoting blade pedal offered the least fatigue and best long distance confort of any solution tested. We may still consider offering a hang-down pedal solution in the future, but if we do this at all, it will only be a limited edition product. Long distance performance is still our focus, for we still hold this factor as a higher priority than simply replicating what might be found in a race car. Andy Cers ECCI http://www.ecci.net Manufacturers of professional quality driving controls "Move up to true professional quality, move up to ECCI"

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> >Ive driven with an ECCI and the wheel is superb as is the TSW. > >My only complaint about the ECCI (besides the price ;) ) are the pedals they > >use from Sherman Tanks <VBG> > >Although Im sure they will last forever... I just wish they were a bit > >more.. um, automotive like I guess is the best word I can come up with > >=) But heck... I couldnt convince my wife to let me spend over $1,000 on a > >steering device if my life depended on it. Of course if it was a female > >wardrobe Im sure it would be no problem <VBG> > >Scott > >PA-Scott > >-- > >Scott B. Husted > >ICQ# 4395450 > I have also used an ECCI, and totaly agree with Scott as far as it being much > better quality than a TSW, and the pedals being not realistic at all. > I found a wheel that is priced with the lower end TSW's, that has the most > realistic pedals I've seen yet (swing down) and is ECCI > quality............check it out, you won't regret it! > http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/ > Dave Trager - DTrager > 1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist > Team Xtreme > http://members.aol.com/xtremechvy/Xtreme3.html > Powered by SRC Wheels > http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/

Hello Greg, here's an answer you look for (High precision pots) it's... at my website, look at the bottom of the survey page you'll find the link to DIGI-KEY... BTW, how's thing, miss you pal, if you one day GP3 comes out, maybe we'll be back to form a team, what do you think ? Cheers Eric http://www.simracingmag.com

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> So, basically, i would have to purchase an ECCI first in order to > obtain these cool pots. Might as well buy the whole thing then, > eh ? Jeez! Good thing you mentioned your website, but shame i am > more than happy with my TSW. > >I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from > >this snobbish, arrogant company. > rrevved, what model you decided to get and what were the reasons > that made you choose a TSW rather than an ECCI? I did a review of > the TSW Formula '99 at http://www.mgprs2.com. It seems to me that > the company concept of Thomas Enterprises and ECCI is > conspicuously different. > -- > Greg Hellmann

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Dave, if you need to upgrade your pots, buy those high precision from DIGI-KEY, there's a link from my website, look under survey result and if you race in GPL, please fill it. http://www.simracingmag.com

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> [snip] > >I will give a mini-review, here, after I get my TSW and put a few > >miles on it. > rrevved, it'd be appreciated if you could include this info in your > mini-review: > - what type of pots will be in your TSW. Acc. to the Thomas site, the > Stock includes the DK pots? I'm currently using the RS pots on my > TSW, but would consider upgrading to DK or Spec pots if you or others > feel they're worth it; > - what gameport will you be connecting to (I'm using the PDPI L4 with > their latest drivers); > - if you're driving GPL, what joystick driver (direct input vs. > generic) and linearity settings will you wind up using. > TIA, > Dave > ============================ > Dave Mack > (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

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I buy Spectrol pot's for some of the equipment that I build. They are about $11 from Ack inc. (770-351-6340). I've seen the ones at the TSW site. The only difference is that TSW solders on a pigtail so that you can just plug it in. If you don't have a soldering iron then I guess it's worth the extra 30 bucks. Not to me. BTW the pots are probably "10 turn"

I've given my cds a daily workout since buying it in Oct'96, and the original pot is still going strong.

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> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:26:05 GMT, > >>I'm glad my TSW will arrive this week and that I didn't buy from > >>this snobbish, arrogant company. Oh, and I have -plenty- of funds > >>available to have done so. > >>Hey Andy, wanna race? > >I didn't think the post was "snobbish" or "arrogant" -- > But you snipped his comments. Why did you do that? > >ECCI has > >obviously done a lot of research to help provide their customers with > >the very best product they can. The ECCI wheel is much pricier than > >the TSW product, so I'm sure that people who would consider buying an > >ECCI wheel will be glad to hear that ECCI is so thorough in their > >research and testing. > My comments had -nothing- to do with his 'research and testing'. They > were in reference to his attitude. > >For those of you who might consider the tone to be "snobbish" or > >"arrogant," remember -- ECCI is just trying to keep us informed about > >their product, not gloat about their superiority. > Really? > >This is no > >different than a press release from companies like Thrustmaster, > >Sierra, or anybody else -- it's just product information wrapped in a > >message designed to shed a positve light on the company. > I'm laughing, now. Somehow this attempt to shed 'positive' light > had a somewhat different effect on me. > >So give Andy a break, okay? Beat him up on the track with your TSW if > >you must <G>, but don't dog the guy for simply trying to inform us > >about the research and development that goes into his product. > >;-) > >-- JB > John, since you chose to completely eliminate the words of Mr. Cersi > from your followup, and then posted my comments, out of context, I am > pasting them below. This will let others draw their own conclusions: > :On 13 Apr 1999 18:25:10 PDT, > :We apologize in advance to non-ECCI owners who may be > :interested in these components, but these parts are designed > :specifically for use in ECCI controllers, and only registered ECCI > :owners are eligible to purchase them. > : > :Andy Cers > :ECCI > One more thing. Here is how superior he thinks his pots are: > "All ECCI electrical components including potentiometers are warranted > against failure or control inconsistency for one year, regardless of the > frequency of use." > -- > // rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

That's strange, the pedals are my absolute favorite thing about my ECCI. The only ones I've seen where I didn't need shoes, and I find that to be important. Go figure. Don McCorkle Libertarian Motorsports

Woops, sorry to put words in your mouth, that was a mistake on my part. But it is MY opinion that the ECCI is MUCH better quailty than the TSW. Dave Trager - DTrager 1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist Team Xtreme http://members.aol.com/xtremechvy/Xtreme3.html Powered by SRC Wheels http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel/

Hi Scott, I had the same thought when I first setup my ECCI wheel and pedals. Man those pedals are big! But after using them now for about 5 months I think they are really great. The foot area is large enough to allow you to try different foot positions, which is nice in a really long race and you feel those cramps sneaking up on you. Also, if you have the Pressure Brake upgrade, you need the extra weight of those pedals as the extra force needed to push them would slide them across the floor. As it is I am on hardwood floors and I had to put a small board along my baseboard to keep the pedals from moving. I also had to put a backstop on my chair to keep it from moving. After doing that, everything just clicked and I'm happy I spent the extra money. They are a great product and will last me a lifetime. There are lots of choices out there and most of them are very good, but all the less expensive options have really bad pedals. ECCI and TSW seem to be amoung the best out there. -David. >Ive driven with an ECCI and the wheel is superb as is the TSW. >My only complaint about the ECCI (besides the price ;) ) are the pedals they >use from Sherman Tanks <VBG> >Although Im sure they will last forever... I just wish they were a bit >more.. um, automotive like I guess is the best word I can come up with >=) But heck... I couldnt convince my wife to let me spend over $1,000 on a

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>steering device if my life depended on it. Of course if it was a female >wardrobe Im sure it would be no problem <VBG> >Scott >PA-Scott >-- >Scott B. Husted >ICQ# 4395450

Andy, are the 100K ECCI pots that you offer and supply with your systems of better quality than the high grade SPEC pots of the TSW F99 ? Those seem to be the best potentiometers out there. Rumour has it that there are even better ones, but there has never been any real specification or description of a better potentiometer than the one offered by Thomas Enterprises (kit can be ordered from them also by non-TSW owners). Andy, i am talking mere pot quality here. It'd be appreciated if you could reveal more data on your potentiometers, if not classified that is :-) Of course I do see your point with the pot/steering shaft connection as I ruined my brake pedal potentiometer because pot movement is not entirely independent from shock load. But i mean.....what about the quality, precision, calibration and lifetime of just the pot? You claim that they last three years of two hour per day use. Question that is still unanswered is the following: Are the ECCI pots better than the ones I stated above in my initial post ? And if so, why ? Perhaps this cannot be answered....you tell me. Truly amazed by the 1999 ECCI products though. If it weren't for the cherry-red design.....naah, can't spend $ 2000 for another wheel. -- Greg Hellmann "Cause when the feelin's right, i'm gonna race all night."

Definitely, Eric. :-) I hope GP3 hits shelves this year. However, I got information that Jaques Villeneuve is involved in the development of Ubisoft Racing Simulation3....but probably Geoff Crammond can do even better. I filled out your survey. Is the gameport of the SB Live really so superior over gamecards? Because that would mean I could have an ISA free system. Are you sure the pots you mentioned are really identical with the high grade SPEC pots on the Thomas' site ? I am not sure really. -- Greg Hellmann "Cause when the feelin's right, i'm gonna race all night." Eric Cote schrieb in Nachricht

$1500 for a damn PC wheel??? Are you folks out of your minds??? I hope this is somebodies idea of a joke! -- -Gunslinger-

No sh*t.... build one for about 1/100th of that... all I have to do is wire mine and I'm set... -_Dave > $1500 for a damn PC wheel??? > Are you folks out of your minds??? > I hope this is somebodies idea of a joke! > -- > -Gunslinger- -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Btw... the 2main quality wheel companies have better email to remember.. TSW can be found at [link lost in import] ECCI can be found at [link lost in import] -- Update your bookmarks ;-) -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Greg as for the SB Live! gameport, i can tel you it's better than ACM or GC3 if you're running over 300 MHz, free up that ISA spot... As for the pots, let me check if it's the same thing under a different name, i've already have those pots from DIGI-KEY, and no trace of wear out after many month of racing, the one that were supplied with TSW (mod pots also) didn't last too long. See ya Eric http://www.simracingmag.com

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> Definitely, Eric. :-) > I hope GP3 hits shelves this year. However, I got information > that Jaques Villeneuve is involved in the development of Ubisoft > Racing Simulation3....but probably Geoff Crammond can do even > better. > I filled out your survey. Is the gameport of the SB Live really > so superior over gamecards? Because that would mean I could have > an ISA free system. > Are you sure the pots you mentioned are really identical with the > high grade SPEC pots on the Thomas' site ? I am not sure really. > -- > Greg Hellmann > "Cause when the feelin's right, > i'm gonna race all night." > Eric Cote schrieb in Nachricht > >Hello Greg, here's an answer you look for (High precision pots) > >it's... at my website, look at the bottom of the survey page > >you'll find the link to DIGI-KEY... > >BTW, how's thing, miss you pal, if you one day GP3 comes out, > maybe > >we'll be back to form a team, what do you think ? > >Cheers > >Eric

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No problem. I don't own either, but have used both. Both are superb wheels and I just didnt want to pass judgement on products I havent owned for a length of time is all. =) Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

Hey rrevved, how did you spec out the TSW? As a custom build or purchase add-ons and have them install them (for an additional $55.00)? The TSW Stock is $375.00, clutch is $105.00, the dual switch is $35.00, the Sport Racing Pedals are $60, a spare set od Spec Pots are $65.00. Its the GT kit at an additional $275.00 that has me wondering. If i'm replacing the original wheel and pots I should get a credit for the difference, yes? I sent them an email and haven't heard back, so I figured I would ask you as our setups are the same (except for the pedals and Spec pots). Do they adjust the price when you "custom order"? Thanks.. G. Patricks

That's the best thing about ECCI - you won't have any problems to be repaired! I started off with a CDS1 years ago, and bought the CDS4000 last year. Each of them drives the same way today as when I first took it out of the box. -Koz www.insidesimracing.com