Adelaide 66-69 F1 cars on the TV.

We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to 1969 F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd gear taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, then the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing 0.01s infront of the Lotus. There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir Jack Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out doing some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. The last race will be televised on tomorrow.

I WISH they had allowed us to listen to the cars screaming down the straights instead of the b***commentary spoiling it.

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> We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to 1969 > F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd gear > taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, then > the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing 0.01s > infront of the Lotus. > There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir Jack > Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. > Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out doing > some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. > The last race will be televised on tomorrow.

And now for the 1million dollar question... <drum roll> "How did the closest car resembling a 1967 Formula 1 acted on the track ? Was it sliding much as the cars in 1967 ? If not, was it due to the modifications made after on those cars?" -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

The cars weren't sliding around .. simply cos the drivers were in there 60's and 70's :-) But the cars were good.. V12 BRM's and Ferraris.. wow.. sweet sound James

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> > We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to > 1969 > > F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd gear > > taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, then > > the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing 0.01s > > infront of the Lotus. > > There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir > Jack > > Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. > > Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out doing > > some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. > > The last race will be televised on tomorrow. > And now for the 1million dollar question... > <drum roll> > "How did the closest car resembling a 1967 Formula 1 acted on the track ? > Was it sliding much as the cars in 1967 ? If not, was it due to the > modifications made after on those cars?" > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Isnt it like that with all F1? >I WISH they had allowed us to listen to the cars screaming down the straights >instead of the b***commentary spoiling it.

Francois, If you want to see 1967 cars sliding and spinning for real, watch 'Nine Days in Summer' , particularly the Watkins glen sequences. You can see cars losing grip and spinning just like in GPL. this convinced me of the realism of the game. Drivers who take these cars out today never get anywhere near the limit, otherwise we'd see a lot more accidents and deaths at historic meetings Tim .

Yes I have the tape of this :) I saw many slides at Mexico (it's when I saw that the half-tyres are not hard like in GPL but actually just normal tyres that can flex when a car pass on them). But they always show a 3-4seconds portion, not a full race with the camera zooming on 1 car for a full lap or so. That's why I wanted to know about that race. Oh yes there's a nice drift of a car in N.D.I.S. at the Ring and I guess it was exiting Ex M?hle (sp?). I drooled :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

In Holland that's is available. Canal+ via satalite disc offers 6 different channels, with in car views and the data channel. I love to have it, but allas, no satalite disc allowed where I live. :-( Remco

I dont think they were really pushing that hard, didnt see any sliding. Very good to watch though. -- all opinions expressed while drunk, stoned and flying through clouds. I'm not paranoid. That's just a rumour started by people out to get me.

From what the drivers were saying and what I have read in the motorsport mags the cars are as close to original as possible. The cars wern't sliding too much but there seemed to be a few instances of severe understeer. I don't think the drivers were really trying too hard. They were doing 1:32 laps and the V8 touring cars were down to 1:26. After all, some of the cars are insured for over $1,000,000 US and the leading 3 or 4 drivers were in their early 70's. Also I assume the tyres are not going to be circa 1967. but modern replica's that inherit some of the extra grip and stability of 32 years of science.

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> > We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to > 1969 > > F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd gear > > taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, then > > the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing 0.01s > > infront of the Lotus. > > There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir > Jack > > Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. > > Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out doing > > some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. > > The last race will be televised on tomorrow. > And now for the 1million dollar question... > <drum roll> > "How did the closest car resembling a 1967 Formula 1 acted on the track ? > Was it sliding much as the cars in 1967 ? If not, was it due to the > modifications made after on those cars?" > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I have a friend testing digital TV in England. He reckons you can select which in car camera to view and which sound stream to listen too. You can mosaic as many pictures as you want so you could watch the outside view, a single camera and an incar camera all at once for instance. Imagine watching the whole race from the incar camera of a Ferrari with only the engine sound in Dolby Digital surround to listen to.......

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> Isnt it like that with all F1? > >I WISH they had allowed us to listen to the cars screaming down the > straights > >instead of the b***commentary spoiling it.

Besides, the drivers pacemakers don't work well in high G forces.

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> Francois, > If you want to see 1967 cars sliding and spinning for real, watch 'Nine Days > in Summer' , particularly the Watkins glen sequences. You can see cars > losing grip and spinning just like in GPL. this convinced me of the realism > of the game. Drivers who take these cars out today never get anywhere near > the limit, otherwise we'd see a lot more accidents and deaths at historic > meetings > Tim > . > > And now for the 1million dollar question... > > <drum roll> > > "How did the closest car resembling a 1967 Formula 1 acted on the track ? > > Was it sliding much as the cars in 1967 ? If not, was it due to the > > modifications made after on those cars?" > > -- > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > > -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > > -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > > -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

The tyres that are used in the FIA-sanctioned Historic series are, I believe, a recreation of the 1960s type and are produced by Avon. The suspensions of these 1960s cars were designed around a hard compound on a bias construction with a lot smaller footprint than current tyres. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/mullet/index.htm =============================================== >From what the drivers were saying and what I have read in the motorsport mags >the cars are as close to original as possible. The cars wern't sliding too much >but there seemed to be a few instances of severe understeer. >I don't think the drivers were really trying too hard. They were doing 1:32 laps >and the V8 touring cars were down to 1:26. After all, some of the cars are >insured for over $1,000,000 US and the leading 3 or 4 drivers were in their >early 70's. >Also I assume the tyres are not going to be circa 1967. but modern replica's >that inherit some of the extra grip and stability of 32 years of science. >> > We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to >> 1969 >> > F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd gear >> > taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, then >> > the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing 0.01s >> > infront of the Lotus. >> > There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir >> Jack >> > Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. >> > Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out doing >> > some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. >> > The last race will be televised on tomorrow. >> And now for the 1million dollar question... >> <drum roll> >> "How did the closest car resembling a 1967 Formula 1 acted on the track ? >> Was it sliding much as the cars in 1967 ? If not, was it due to the >> modifications made after on those cars?" >> -- >> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> >> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ >> -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ >> -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. >> -- May the Downforce be with you... >> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Isn't that what John Watson does CONSTANTLY?!? (Murray is too easy a shot.) For Melbourne, I was amazed at the commentary proferred by the so-called 'experts'. If yellow journalism ever had a place in this world, it certainly wouldn't be at a motorsport event! Especially at Irvine's first victory. Gads! If it weren't for the occasional (and rare) silence of the hams in which you can hear the beautiful 10-cylinder music of the flats, I'd just as soon turn the sound down. I really like Bob Varsha. Even though he isn't a race driver (correct me if I'm wrong) his commentary was always on the spot, and when you put him and Derek Bell into the same booth, then you've got something to listen to! They even respectfully shut up for the in-car views to enjoy the ride. Naturally, he was sacked. At least the video is un-butchered. I last watched Champ Cars two years ago. Maybe three. In Surfer's Paradise, there was roughly 1/3 of the screen devoted to the cars. the bottom third was adverti***ts, and the left-hand third was pictures of the man-in-the-pits as he wandered around fishing for sound bites. I didn't last the whole race, and I haven't checked out a CART race since. Can anyone tell me if they've changed their ways? Mikey

But are they using the same compound and in 1967?

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> The tyres that are used in the FIA-sanctioned Historic series are, I > believe, a recreation of the 1960s type and are produced by Avon. > The suspensions of these 1960s cars were designed around a hard compound on > a bias construction with a lot smaller footprint than current tyres. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/mullet/index.htm > =============================================== > >From what the drivers were saying and what I have read in the motorsport > mags > >the cars are as close to original as possible. The cars wern't sliding too > much > >but there seemed to be a few instances of severe understeer. > >I don't think the drivers were really trying too hard. They were doing 1:32 > laps > >and the V8 touring cars were down to 1:26. After all, some of the cars are > >insured for over $1,000,000 US and the leading 3 or 4 drivers were in their > >early 70's. > >Also I assume the tyres are not going to be circa 1967. but modern > replica's > >that inherit some of the extra grip and stability of 32 years of science. > >> > We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to > >> 1969 > >> > F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd > gear > >> > taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, > then > >> > the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing > 0.01s > >> > infront of the Lotus. > >> > There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir > >> Jack > >> > Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. > >> > Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out > doing > >> > some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. > >> > The last race will be televised on tomorrow. > >> And now for the 1million dollar question... > >> <drum roll> > >> "How did the closest car resembling a 1967 Formula 1 acted on the track ? > >> Was it sliding much as the cars in 1967 ? If not, was it due to the > >> modifications made after on those cars?" > >> -- > >> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > >> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > >> -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > >> -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > >> -- May the Downforce be with you... > >> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > >> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

What amazes me on all Commercial channels, and even on cable, the idiots actually think you are going to buy the products whose advertisments interfere with the viewing of the racing. Chanell 10 is Australia is the worst. They inevitably stick in the longest commercial break when there is six or seven laps to go and return when there is only 2 or three laps left. I personally note the products advertised and make a mental note not to purchase them as a form of silent protest.

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> Isn't that what John Watson does CONSTANTLY?!? (Murray is too easy a shot.) > For Melbourne, I was amazed at the commentary proferred by the so-called > 'experts'. If yellow journalism ever had a place in this world, it certainly > wouldn't be at a motorsport event! Especially at Irvine's first victory. > Gads! > If it weren't for the occasional (and rare) silence of the hams in which you > can hear the beautiful 10-cylinder music of the flats, I'd just as soon turn > the sound down. > I really like Bob Varsha. Even though he isn't a race driver (correct me if > I'm wrong) his commentary was always on the spot, and when you put him and > Derek Bell into the same booth, then you've got something to listen to! They > even respectfully shut up for the in-car views to enjoy the ride. > Naturally, he was sacked. > At least the video is un-butchered. > I last watched Champ Cars two years ago. Maybe three. In Surfer's Paradise, > there was roughly 1/3 of the screen devoted to the cars. the bottom third > was adverti***ts, and the left-hand third was pictures of the > man-in-the-pits as he wandered around fishing for sound bites. I didn't last > the whole race, and I haven't checked out a CART race since. Can anyone tell > me if they've changed their ways? > Mikey

At one point the idiotic commentators said something like 'Isn't it just incredible to listen to these screaming engines"..... Welll it might have been if we could have muted the idiots... Great looking cars though! Timster > I WISH they had allowed us to listen to the cars screaming down the straights > instead of the b***commentary spoiling it. > > We just had the 2nd of 4 races televised in Australia with the 1966 to 1969 > > F1 cars. One of the Lotus 49B's boiled on the line then stripped 3rd gear > > taking off. The other (Pete Lovely driving) led for most of the race, then > > the Ferrari 312/69 passed a few laps from the end. Finally finishing 0.01s > > infront of the Lotus. > > There were also a couple of BRM's, a Lotus 32, a McLaren (driven by Sir Jack > > Brabham), a Brabham (2.5 litre motor) and a few others. > > Sir Jack had some trouble and pulled into the pits. Then he was out doing > > some "adjustments" with a 3 foot long crowbar, but didn't rejoin. > > The last race will be televised on tomorrow.