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SBK: Wobble and weave...

2 posts by 2 people · 04 Apr 1999 - 05 Apr 1999

Eric Cote 04 Apr 1999#460107
While driving SBK Superbike, old stuff that i read, but never applied on the road (was not into racing, apart a racing school) came to me as a flash. Remember Cycle Guide (Honda guide as they called it), Cycle and Motorcyclist ? These were my bibles, got something like 500 of them that I bought from mid to late 80's, and they were talking about rake and trail. Which I understood, but when you're on a low budget, changing these values unless you have a machine shop, was impossible... But I remember that, if you change the rake only, by going steeper (going closer to vertical). Apart changing how the bike will react to direction input, and how stable or not it will be at high speed, there's something important that could be done with it. Let's say you're entering a corner, the bike dive, and you're going a bit to fast in that corner. If you apply brake in the front slightly, keeping what's left of traction, and the bike dive even more (let's call it positive reaction), then I'm almost certain that changing the rake angle will affect this behavior More rake (steeper) then it dives even more, much less it could actually do the contrary. By having the correct amount of rake, could have a neutral situation where when applying the brake slightly, the bike would stay on the same axis. Am I right or wrong ? Just asking.... Eric [link lost in import] btw, I did a superb animation screenshot, a huge wheelie at Assen without loosing it. As soon as my page is done on SBK Superbike, i'll announce it here Cheers webmaster.vcf < 1K Download
Bj.O.rn 05 Apr 1999#460278
Wrong.... Only bikes with "funny" front ends can mantain a neutral attitude during braking. It's not a good thing though, the "dive" is neccesary for feedback and shift of weight forward to increase grip to avoid lockups. Even "funny" front end bikes (BMW, BimotaTesi, Yamaha GTS)have some dive built in to mantain feel for what the front *** is doing. Ordinary telescopic forks compress every time a force is exerted upon them, such as braking, no matter what rake angle either due to weight shift or on longforks (heaven forbid...) due to deceleration force. There was a time in the mid 80's when "anti dive" was the major hype on any japanese bike. Every marqe had their own hilarious letter combination, but it was essentially a system that stiffened compression damping when the front brake was applied... Not to be seen anymore.... It was, and is a flop, they had to make the systems so ineffective to maintain the feel under braking that by the time fork and damping technology improved ("cartridge" forks) it was a no gain, total waste of tme and money.. /Bj.O.rn, '98 900SS Ducati

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