GPL-Arms and Wheel?

I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views if assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. Steve

Yes, Because I have a P200 I originally turned the arms off to boost my framerate. However before long I found I could control the car much more easily and my laptimes dropped as a result. I don't think it's cheating since I already have one pair of arms and don't really need another...! -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 ________________________________________________________________________________ "I liked things better when I didn't understand them" (Calvin & Hobbes)

If you have any plans to race on-line, you will probably have to turn off the arms to get the required frame rate. Therefore, I have decided it's best to drive without them at all times because switching from one mode to the other is distracting. Mark Croasdale

There was some good debates about the arms and wheel when the title wasn't out (neither the demo). I say it's to everybody's personal preference. I personally can't live without them. I will take off other stuff to get a 36fps instead of them. You can get them non-textures also in the option menu. I feel it's a great addition to the simracing experience (with the 3d ***pit), and I expect other companies to get with it. Codemaster has developed a quite good way on their side also, but not as good (the GPL ***pit doesn't distract IMHO, it blends naturally with your sensations). -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I dont think it detracts from controlling the car. And you have to remember when you get rid of the arms in your***pit it also gets rid of them in all the other cars***pits saving a lot of graphic prossesing. With a p200 voodoo1 this is the only way to go. ilmore

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>I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views if >assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering >wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the >first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe >I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? >Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. >Steve

Steve... I've raced with and without... I like them, too, because I use a joystick and I like to be able to see the steering wheel *unwind* before I jump on the gas. So my 2 cents is that I prefer having them on... --Dave

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> I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views if > assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering > wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the > first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe > I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? > Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. > Steve

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

% I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views if % assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering % wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the % first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe % I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? % Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. Personally, I find that the arms/wheel "mask" some of the subtle cues provided by the moving 3d***pit. They are still there, but the subtle ones just don't translate as well when there is more to see on the screen (the arms and steering wheel). -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>I dont think it detracts from controlling the car. And you have to remember >when you get rid of the arms in your***pit it also gets rid of them in all >the other cars***pits saving a lot of graphic prossesing. With a p200 >voodoo1 this is the only way to go. >ilmore I didn't realize it affected the OTHER cars also...I'll have to try that... __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've had them off for ages now :o) I've found that I kept looking at the steering wheel/arms when cornering or recovering the car. It has led me to some sort of driver's oscilations (when you keep correcting the car from left to right and vice versa) which in turn lead me to a spin. I'm much better off if I look at front wheels turning then looking at the steering wheel turning. Also, the amount of travel of my physical & virtual wheel isn't the same (I turn 10deg physical and get 15deg of virtual steering wheel travel) which made it hard to drive the car fast. It also improves your frame rate :o) Turn it off, it helped me improve my times and consistency... Tadej Krevh Lotus Internet Racing http://welcome.to/LotusRacing

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> I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views if > assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering > wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the > first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe > I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? > Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. > Steve

I agree with Tadej. I have had the Arms off since the demo. I have one set of arms/wheel i dont need to see another :-) George > I've had them off for ages now :o) > I've found that I kept looking at the steering wheel/arms when cornering or > recovering > the car. It has led me to some sort of driver's oscilations (when you keep > correcting the > car from left to right and vice versa) which in turn lead me to a spin. I'm > much better off > if I look at front wheels turning then looking at the steering wheel turning. > Also, the amount of travel of my physical & virtual wheel isn't the same (I > turn 10deg physical and > get 15deg of virtual steering wheel travel) which made it hard to drive the car

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> fast. > It also improves your frame rate :o) > Turn it off, it helped me improve my times and consistency... > Tadej Krevh > Lotus Internet Racing > http://welcome.to/LotusRacing > > I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views

if > > assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering > > wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the > > first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe > > I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? > > Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. > > Steve

Well, you two are in agreement :-) My opinion differs in that I'm using a j-stick. It's easier to "see" what your arms are doing on the wheel. It they are flailing around, I know I need to be easier on the ole' stick of joy... (no rude comments, please). When my controller is done (this week, I hope), then i too may turn them off because, like you say, one set is enough. --Dave

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> I agree with Tadej. I have had the Arms off since the demo. I have one set > of arms/wheel i dont need to see another :-) > George > > I've had them off for ages now :o) > > I've found that I kept looking at the steering wheel/arms when cornering > or > > recovering > > the car. It has led me to some sort of driver's oscilations (when you keep > > correcting the > > car from left to right and vice versa) which in turn lead me to a spin. > I'm > > much better off > > if I look at front wheels turning then looking at the steering wheel > turning. > > Also, the amount of travel of my physical & virtual wheel isn't the same > (I > > turn 10deg physical and > > get 15deg of virtual steering wheel travel) which made it hard to drive > the car > > fast. > > It also improves your frame rate :o) > > Turn it off, it helped me improve my times and consistency... > > Tadej Krevh > > Lotus Internet Racing > > http://welcome.to/LotusRacing > > > I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views > if > > > assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering > > > wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the > > > first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that > maybe > > > I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? > > > Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. > > > Steve

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

I think Steve Smith mentions in "Four wheel drift" that the wheel will begin to shake as an early-warning indication that the car is about to lose traction, so it might be a good idea to have them on. Ideas anyone? Uwe

It sure does. As to the positive effect, I might be monitoring the wheel sub-consciously (sp?) so I'm not sure if it helps. I think if somebody asked me what I do while driving I wouldn't have a clue!

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>I am just wondering if any sim racers (online or offline) have any views if >assuming fps is 36(ish) on average, whether having the arms and steering >wheel showing is an advantage or not in GPL. I have just tried for the >first time racing without the arms and wheel graphics, and think that maybe >I can anticipate the cars movements better. Anybody any views on this? >Instinctively, I like the more 'authentic look', with arms and wheel. >Steve

Steve, Personally I like the arms/ wheel. I get a solid 36 fps with them,so fps isn't an issue. When I tried gpl without the arms/wheel, it just didn't seem the same. The wheel movements actually give me additional feed back as to what the car is doing. Joel Willstein