Toe-in/toe-out (Part two)

^ | \\ | // This is Toe-out! | | //|\\ This is Toe-in! ^ Great! now for the hard part... Why would I want 5* toe-out or toe-in in the front? Why would I want 5* toe-out or toe-in in the rear? While driving in a strait line, What are the effects on the tires with 5* toe-in? Temps (I-M-O)? While driving in a strait line, What are the effects on the tires with 5* toe-out? Temps (I-M-O)? While turning.....toe-in? While turning.....Toe-out? What is the benefits of using Toe-in in a strait and in the turns? What is the benefits of using Toe-out in a strait and in the turns? What is the maximum Toe-in/toe-out that I can use without looking at a complete rebuild of the setup? eg; You never, ever want to have more then 60* toe-in -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? MikeBa on the TEN network. Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

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| ^ | | |\\ | // This is Toe-out! | | | | | //|\\ This is Toe-in! | ^ |Great! now for the hard part... | | Why would I want 5* toe-out or toe-in in the front? | Why would I want 5* toe-out or toe-in in the rear? |<snip>

Partial answer: Front wheels: Toe-in for stability goin down the straights. (Most all real-life - transportation - cars have 0.5 - 1.5 deg toe in.) Trade off: less speed on the straights. Tie-out for greater initial turn-in on the corners, and more responsiveness to steering inputs. Rear wheels: WTF do I know? Nuttin'. I just put about 1 degree toe-in on the rears and have at it. Av/Mikey (I think that you'd want no more than 2 degrees toe for anything. Some may disagree, but I think 5 deg would scrub your tires off and slow you down immensely.)

What Mike says in the post above is correct, but the only problem is that GPL doesn't model toe very well. Basically you can put in -5 toe in the front and +5 toe in back and you will have a stable car that turns VERYVERY nicely (drops 1-2 seconds at the glen) yet changes top speed by 1MPH or less. Not very noticeable and very unrealistic. It's a shame and I hope it is fixed in the patch. But for now, you might as well just benefit from it hehe. Jesse

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| ^ | | |\\ | // This is Toe-out! | | | | | //|\\ This is Toe-in! | ^ |Great! now for the hard part... | | Why would I want 5* toe-out or toe-in in the front? | Why would I want 5* toe-out or toe-in in the rear? | | While driving in a strait line, What are the effects on the tires |with 5* toe-in? Temps (I-M-O)? | While driving in a strait line, What are the effects on the tires |with 5* toe-out? Temps (I-M-O)? | While turning.....toe-in? | While turning.....Toe-out? | What is the benefits of using Toe-in in a strait and in the turns? | What is the benefits of using Toe-out in a strait and in the turns? | | What is the maximum Toe-in/toe-out that I can use without looking at |a complete rebuild of the setup? |eg; You never, ever want to have more then 60* toe-in | | |-- |========================================= |Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? |MikeBa on the TEN network. |Member of R.O.R. 1999 |http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html |========================================= |Racing online with the help of...... | |Race Communications Association |http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html | |Holodyne Engineering | |Mystic Music | |

Hi Michael! Trying to get some more people confused? ;-))

I did some testing at Monza and tried the max and min for toe-in and toe-out, but it didn't affect top speed, so my guess is that Papyrus didn't simulate that. /Christer 1:28.47 in the red car. > Toe-in for stability goin down the straights. (Most all real-life - > transportation - cars have 0.5 - 1.5 deg toe in.) Trade off: less speed on > the straights. -- http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41236/ (Read all about the "Global online racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause noone has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o)).

|Hi Michael! |Trying to get some more people confused? ;-)) | Meeee?