Let me get this off my chest

OK, I constantly read about NTT on RAS and at the APEX and I thought that it looked pretty neat and all, with all the organization, but now I have decided I will have no more respect for them. the fellows over at NTT took my name off of RAS and put me on a mailing list and now I get every result and standing they feel like sending out. The first one I got, I just thought nothing of it but now I continue to get them. I thought the guys over at NTT would have more respect for people and not go around gathering up email addresses so they can spam people to try to get them to join up the league by showing them all the different results and all. I left the online leagues alone a while ago since my connection to the net isn't good. I just wanted to get this out of me because it is really bothering the ***out of me about how inconsiderate they are to just collect email addresses and start spamming away. Maybe others feel that this is a good idea but I personally think that one should be asked before put on a mailing list. Oh well, it is a little extreme but as you can see, I hate spammers and people that just send out ***to everyone they see. Jesse Black Wosco <P][P>

Have you mailed J. Rambo and asked him to stop sending you these results and standings? I think it could help... BTW. Have you taken part in any of the NTT races? -- Greger Huttu

Jesse, I can understand getting upset about unwanted mail... but Jack is a nice guy with a nice series... and he's doing it all himself. I am sure if you want off of the list, he'll take you off. Just reply and tell him to take you off. I know you're a nice guy, but try that before roasting someone (or a group) on a newsgroup. --Dave

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> OK, I constantly read about NTT on RAS and at the APEX and I thought that it > looked pretty neat and all, with all the organization, but now I have > decided I will have no more respect for them. the fellows over at NTT took > my name off of RAS and put me on a mailing list and now I get every result > and standing they feel like sending out. The first one I got, I just > thought nothing of it but now I continue to get them. I thought the guys > over at NTT would have more respect for people and not go around gathering > up email addresses so they can spam people to try to get them to join up the > league by showing them all the different results and all. I left the online > leagues alone a while ago since my connection to the net isn't good. I just > wanted to get this out of me because it is really bothering the ***out of > me about how inconsiderate they are to just collect email addresses and > start spamming away. Maybe others feel that this is a good idea but I > personally think that one should be asked before put on a mailing list. > Oh well, it is a little extreme but as you can see, I hate spammers and > people that just send out ***to everyone they see. > Jesse Black > Wosco > <P][P>

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

My first email to him was too harsh but I cooled off and sent him another one. I was told to write a polite letter asking to be removed from the list. All that I feel is that if someone would like me to write a polite letter asking me to be removed from a list, they should write me a polite letter asking me if I want to be on the list. For a lot of groups, it just isn't this way. I am sorry Jack for being so extreme with my death threats. Your league looks very nice and I would join it if I had a better connection because it appears to be very nicely organized. Sorry the relationship had to start out in the ditches. Jesse Black

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|Jesse, I can understand getting upset about unwanted mail... but Jack is |a nice guy with a nice series... and he's doing it all himself. I am |sure if you want off of the list, he'll take you off. Just reply and |tell him to take you off. | |I know you're a nice guy, but try that before roasting someone (or a |group) on a newsgroup. | |--Dave | |> |> OK, I constantly read about NTT on RAS and at the APEX and I thought that

it |> looked pretty neat and all, with all the organization, but now I have |> decided I will have no more respect for them. the fellows over at NTT took |> my name off of RAS and put me on a mailing list and now I get every result |> and standing they feel like sending out. The first one I got, I just |> thought nothing of it but now I continue to get them. I thought the guys |> over at NTT would have more respect for people and not go around gathering |> up email addresses so they can spam people to try to get them to join up the |> league by showing them all the different results and all. I left the online |> leagues alone a while ago since my connection to the net isn't good. I just |> wanted to get this out of me because it is really bothering the ***out of

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|> me about how inconsiderate they are to just collect email addresses and |> start spamming away. Maybe others feel that this is a good idea but I |> personally think that one should be asked before put on a mailing list. |> |> Oh well, it is a little extreme but as you can see, I hate spammers and |> people that just send out ***to everyone they see. |> |> Jesse Black |> Wosco |> <P][P> | |-- |Dave Schwabe |The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site |http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Read my above posting. I haven't participated in any NTT events due to connection problems and absurd lag times. Cable modems are coming to my area soon and when I get one, you will see me on, but until then, I just can't race in online races. Again, Jack, sorry for being so harsh, I suppose I should have waited a week to cool down but you can't tell yourself to do that when you start to get angry. Jesse | |>OK, I constantly read about NTT on RAS and at the APEX and I thought that it |>looked pretty neat and all, with all the organization, but now I have |>decided I will have no more respect for them. the fellows over at NTT took |>my name off of RAS and put me on a mailing list and now I get every result |>and standing they feel like sending out. The first one I got, I just |>thought nothing of it but now I continue to get them. I thought the guys |>over at NTT would have more respect for people and not go around gathering |>up email addresses so they can spam people to try to get them to join up the |>league by showing them all the different results and all. I left the online |>leagues alone a while ago since my connection to the net isn't good. I just |>wanted to get this out of me because it is really bothering the ***out of

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|>me about how inconsiderate they are to just collect email addresses and |>start spamming away. Maybe others feel that this is a good idea but I |>personally think that one should be asked before put on a mailing list. | |Have you mailed J. Rambo and asked him to stop sending you these |results and standings? I think it could help... | |BTW. Have you taken part in any of the NTT races? | |-- |Greger Huttu

Let's get one thing absolutely straight. RaceLive!/NTT has not in the past nor will they in the future engage in spamming. Our mailing list consists of: 1) the many drivers who have participated in the NTT series, 2) people who have specifically subscribed to our mailing list, 3) people that I personally have raced with in the past, and 4) a small handful of people that I have corresponded with in the past that I know to be racing sim fans. Mr. Black was in the fourth group. It seemed to me that a ranking of some of the top online racers in the world would be of interest to him,since he seems to have an almost overwhelming presence here on RAS, and so his name was included as a courtesy. I am enthusiastically trying to build something in the RaceLive! network and the NTT World Championship series that the entire online road-racing community can enjoy. Hosting six*** organized online races per week, drawing top competitors from around the world, compiling results, and developing an entire community of top-quality hosts and a substantially-expanded set of racing series for sim enthusiasts around the globe is no cakewalk. When you have to deal with people such as Mr. Black who choose to talk first and think second, it all becomes rather tiring! A simple, polite "drop me from list" e-mail would have done the trick, Mr. Black. As an amazing alternative, you chose to suggest that "the fellows over at NTT" are no longer worthy of one's respect. Incredible. Thanks to those of you who have come to my defense. By and large, the sim racing community is full of intelligent, thoughtful, and fun-loving people who have no interest in malicious attacks. It's a shame that we have to deal with any of this, especially when it involves something as trivial as a piece or two of on-topic e-mail! Jack Rambo Incidentally, if you, unlike Mr. Black, would *like* to receive information about RaceLive!, the NTT World Championship, and upcoming events and series, support, encourage your participation in our events, and would like to share our enthusiasm for the fascinating world of online racing!

Just made it to this topic...........GEEEZ! If I could offer anything of value on this subject, it would be in the form of one word; DECAF, Jesse, DECAF.......... Cheers, Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email