100 Octane gas and HIGH gas prices in SoCal

Over on the MHaven Forum (BMW "M" cars) there is a lot of talk about how or gas prices are going SKY-HIGH and more again tonight! It is getting kinda crazy with these prices! Also it seems that in some states there is 93 and 94 octane gas for sale. I have not seen 93 or 94 here in SoCal, but there are Union 76 stations that have 100 UNLEADED and 110 LEADED. Here is a partial list (all Union 76) - also this was as of a MONTH ago: Yorba Linda **** ALSO THE CHEAPEST!!! PUMP San's 76 on Imperial a bit north of the 91 This guy is DAMN COOL TOO!!! Last time I was there (3-4 weeks ago) his 100 was $3.53 a gal Osborne 76 in Redondo Beach PUMP This guys is not very nice at all! Told me he was the ONLY 100 octane 76! Also his price was near $5 a gal!!!!!! South Pasadena at the end of the 110 PUMP Not too bad a guy, but recently changed owners, and around $4.50 a gal Norwalk on Firestone DRUMS this was a relative of the old S Pasadena owner, still kinda high Newport Beach 76 & car wash on San Miguel Rd behind the Fashion Island Mall in the hills - supposedly cause Reggie Jackson lives nearby and is a car nut, this will ALWAYS have 100! Price is still over $4 West Covina on Citrus (never been here) Agoura Hills on Dorothy Dr (never been here) Pomona Beach - Doherty (???) on Village Loop Rd (never been here) Now the KILLER!!!!! A lot of states with LOW gas prices are actually using OUR GAS/OIL!!!! So how the HELL do they get it CHEAPER than we do, and it even had to be transported to there too!!!??? Perhaps what we all need to do is STOP buying gas from ALL stations for a few days! All of us, everywhere. There is no BETTER way to tell the oil companies our being pissed off at their RIPOFF's than not filling their pockets! Imagine if everyone all across the USA stopped buying gas for even a day??? How much you think they'd loose in one day??? So if there can be a so called "smokeless" day, why not a GASSLESS day? -- Thanks Mike Z Please remove the *** front and back to reply

Not buying gas for a day would have little effect. Not driving would.

this is a dumn question, but what is the ultimate benefit of this 100 octane? if it turns my XJS into a ferrari, i'm game. i know of the fashion island locale and will give it a try. lemme see...9 miles per gallon...$5 per gallon...50 miles to work and back...uh...carry the two...um...HOLY SMOKES!

Well, I have an A4 1.8T with the AMS (ABT) Stage II chip. The Super Unleaded 92 octane gas pings in my car a bit, so this helps in that aspect. But what I also found out was that with the 100 octane gas in my car, the ECU is able to use a higher boost and higher timing advance which = more power. Now on a car that does not have a chip in it, I'm not sure if you will see a difference.

Well for all you who haven't realized that shell's gas prices are about 5-20cents higher than every other gas station. Here is why, Shell has raised the rent on their stations from 5-20k. They are trying to drive their own stations out of business so they can buy them back. I have little respect for them. Premium in ALamo, ca is 1.99! Gas here is 1.65(AT ALL STATIONS). I don't know why. It's not like there is Oil in Kosovo. Amit

On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:35:03 -0800, "Amit Kalra"

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>Well for all you who haven't realized that shell's gas prices are about >5-20cents higher than every other gas station. >Here is why, Shell has raised the rent on their stations from 5-20k. They >are trying to drive their own stations out of business so they can buy them >back. >I have little respect for them. >Premium in ALamo, ca is 1.99! Gas here is 1.65(AT ALL STATIONS). I don't >know why. It's not like there is Oil in Kosovo. >Amit

I live in South Carolina, gas is .87 cents a gallon for premium. .73 cents for normal. -- -Gunslinger-

I remember when gas was only 70 cents for regular just a few months ago, now it's $1.15 for regular here in Kentucky! Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

>>I live in South Carolina, gas is .87 cents a gallon for premium. >>.73 cents for normal. >I remember when gas was only 70 cents for regular just a few months ago, now >it's $1.15 for regular here in Kentucky! Heh, wanna change? Over $4 USD a gallon over here, in Holland. But we're lucky, Holland is a small country. Remco

You can also buy "racing fuel" and add to your reg gas to make a nice 100 octane at a much cheaper price than at the pump. Alot of fuel distributers sell it by the drum or 5 gal containers.

> You can also buy "racing fuel" and add to your reg gas to make a >nice Xylene and Tolulene also make great fuel additives.

Unless your engine is MODIFIED, mainly higher compression and / or forced induction (turbo, super charging), the only effect of 100 octane will be to increase the speed at which your wallet empties.

: Unless your engine is MODIFIED, mainly higher compression and / or forced : induction (turbo, super charging), the only effect of 100 octane will be to : increase the speed at which your wallet empties. Is there any advantage of buying 93 octane over 91?

In MD, 87 octane (regular) is running at $.99 to $1.05. I knew gas was getting expensive in Southern California (yay yay TV news), but does anyone really know why??

>In MD, 87 octane (regular) is running at $.99 to $1.05. I knew gas was getting >expensive in Southern California (yay yay TV news), but does anyone really >know why?? Refinery blowed up real good.

You people.... In Oregon it's against the law (for some IDIOTIC reason) to pump your own gas. Therefore CHEAP gas in the Portland metro area is 1.49 right now for 86 octane!! And it'll go up even more in the next few weeks. The OPEC oil ministers have agreed to "limit production" by a LARGE (forgot exactly HOW much) margin. This is supposed to tighten the oil supply and raise oil prices to near $18/barrel. Funny, though, how quickly our costs rose, considering how long it takes to get from oil being pumped in Saudi Arabia to the gas pump at the corner Texaco.... Now, BACK to GPL and NR99!! "Gunner"

Only if it pings on 91. Matt O.

:> Is there any advantage of buying 93 octane over 91? : Only if it pings on 91. I don't remember hearing it ping on 89... gas in the midwest is not always consistent though.

>:> Is there any advantage of buying 93 octane over 91? >: Only if it pings on 91. >I don't remember hearing it ping on 89... gas in the midwest is not always >consistent though. Guys, this DEPENDS ON YOUR CAR! Audis (and most other cars in this cross-posting) built in the last DECADE have knock sensors on the engine. When any 'ping' (the most correct term is 'premature detonation') is detected, the timing is retarded. Because this is almost instantaneous, YOU will never hear it. But you WILL feel it because retarded timing produces less power. It may be that there is no difference between 93 and 91 octane fuels, but then again, there may be. You'll have to be the judge and it will depend on what you're driving and how you're driving it. -- C.R. Krieger "Ignore 'em, m'dear, they're beneath your dignity." -W.C. Fields

:>:> Is there any advantage of buying 93 octane over 91? :> :>: Only if it pings on 91. :> : Guys, this DEPENDS ON YOUR CAR! Audis (and most other cars in : this cross-posting) built in the last DECADE have knock sensors : on the engine. When any 'ping' (the most correct term is : 'premature detonation') is detected, the timing is retarded. : Because this is almost instantaneous, YOU will never hear it. : But you WILL feel it because retarded timing produces less power. : It may be that there is no difference between 93 and 91 octane : fuels, but then again, there may be. You'll have to be the judge : and it will depend on what you're driving and how you're driving : it. I wonder if this retarded time is what causes E34's 6cyl engine to act boggy when taking off at the light occasionally. I've read other posts by other people about this before. I get 34mpg on the road if I drive 65 in the winter so i'm not complaining about fuel economy. Regarding the quote above... My 525i gas cap states a minimum AKI 89 fuel. I'm not sure if that is the same scale as the octane rating that I'm accustomed to seeing at the pump. I know there are several different scales used for measuring octane ratings. My concern with premium fuel has always been that not enough of it sells at the pump, and consequently may sit in the tanks at the station for long periods of time. I wish I had a litmus-type tester for fuel so I could tell the true octane rating of the fuel, its quality, moisture content, etc. I get a little jittery when I fill up and notice the 87 octane pump looks like it had pumped billions of gallons while the premium 93 octane pump looks like it has never been used before. I haven't done enough driving with different octane ratings of fuels to judge if 91 beats 93 in my car but the extra price is worth it to me if I will prolong the life of the engine.

The biggest thing to remember is what ever you decied to use, make sure its alway the same octane...It will slighly change your computer and going back and forth will not bennifit your engine!

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> :>:> Is there any advantage of buying 93 octane over 91? > :> > :>: Only if it pings on 91. > :> > : Guys, this DEPENDS ON YOUR CAR! Audis (and most other cars in > : this cross-posting) built in the last DECADE have knock sensors > : on the engine. When any 'ping' (the most correct term is > : 'premature detonation') is detected, the timing is retarded. > : Because this is almost instantaneous, YOU will never hear it. > : But you WILL feel it because retarded timing produces less power. > : It may be that there is no difference between 93 and 91 octane > : fuels, but then again, there may be. You'll have to be the judge > : and it will depend on what you're driving and how you're driving > : it. > I wonder if this retarded time is what causes E34's 6cyl engine to act > boggy when taking off at the light occasionally. I've read other > posts by other people about this before. I get 34mpg on the road if > I drive 65 in the winter so i'm not complaining about fuel economy. > Regarding the quote above... My 525i gas cap states a minimum AKI 89 fuel. > I'm not sure if that is the same scale as the octane rating that I'm > accustomed to seeing at the pump. I know there are several different > scales used for measuring octane ratings. > My concern with premium fuel has always been that not enough of it sells > at the pump, and consequently may sit in the tanks at the station for > long periods of time. I wish I had a litmus-type tester for fuel so > I could tell the true octane rating of the fuel, its quality, moisture > content, etc. I get a little jittery when I fill up and notice the > 87 octane pump looks like it had pumped billions of gallons while the > premium 93 octane pump looks like it has never been used before. > I haven't done enough driving with different octane ratings of fuels > to judge if 91 beats 93 in my car but the extra price is worth it to > me if I will prolong the life of the engine.

Sorry to say that unless it is pinging it will not hurt the motor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Later Aidan

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> The biggest thing to remember is what ever you decied to use, make sure >its alway the same octane...It will slighly change your computer and going >back and forth will not bennifit your engine! >> :>:> Is there any advantage of buying 93 octane over 91? >> :> >> :>: Only if it pings on 91. >> :> >> : Guys, this DEPENDS ON YOUR CAR! Audis (and most other cars in >> : this cross-posting) built in the last DECADE have knock sensors >> : on the engine. When any 'ping' (the most correct term is >> : 'premature detonation') is detected, the timing is retarded. >> : Because this is almost instantaneous, YOU will never hear it. >> : But you WILL feel it because retarded timing produces less power. >> : It may be that there is no difference between 93 and 91 octane >> : fuels, but then again, there may be. You'll have to be the judge >> : and it will depend on what you're driving and how you're driving >> : it. >> I wonder if this retarded time is what causes E34's 6cyl engine to act >> boggy when taking off at the light occasionally. I've read other >> posts by other people about this before. I get 34mpg on the road if >> I drive 65 in the winter so i'm not complaining about fuel economy. >> Regarding the quote above... My 525i gas cap states a minimum AKI 89

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>> I'm not sure if that is the same scale as the octane rating that I'm >> accustomed to seeing at the pump. I know there are several different >> scales used for measuring octane ratings. >> My concern with premium fuel has always been that not enough of it sells >> at the pump, and consequently may sit in the tanks at the station for >> long periods of time. I wish I had a litmus-type tester for fuel so >> I could tell the true octane rating of the fuel, its quality, moisture >> content, etc. I get a little jittery when I fill up and notice the >> 87 octane pump looks like it had pumped billions of gallons while the >> premium 93 octane pump looks like it has never been used before. >> I haven't done enough driving with different octane ratings of fuels >> to judge if 91 beats 93 in my car but the extra price is worth it to >> me if I will prolong the life of the engine.