How long have you been doing it? When was your first time??

I was just wondering what the exact date for the anniversary / birthday of sim racing is? Is it maybe the release date of "Indy 500, the Simulation" or is it earlier than that? I suspect we're going back to the mid-late 80's here. What was the first ever sim which was as popular as GPL? I think that since sim racing was born these have been the most popular (ie. have had dozens of web pages dedicated to them, including racing leagues, utilities and addons) GPL: 1998 NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 F1GP2: 1996 F1GP: 1991(?) IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) Is there anyone here who was racing and practicing 24 hrs a day any particular sim 10 years ago, in the same way we all do now? :) Maybe we can try to put an exact date on Sim Racings birthday and cebrate it sometimes. I think we may have even missed it's 10th birthday! 10 YEARS! What will we be racing in 2040? Rob

way before N2 or even Indy 500 the sim for pc there was.. Indianapolis 500 the sim.. made by papyrus for amiga! the first real sim ever made, atleast as far as i know. Been a papyrus freak ever since. I dont really buy any other games besides Papyrus sims. Charles Buscher Guru_Hans Team Guru NROS Racing sponsored by Guru *** Systems. [link lost in import: /***.com] [link lost in import] [link lost in import] [link lost in import] >I used to play REVS+ on a Commodore 64 back in 1986. There were crappier >driving games around at the time, but none of them came close to REVS. It >was a Formula 3 simulations. Anyone else remember Wilma Cargo (one of the AI >drivers, the all had similar names). >It was written by Geoff Crammond - no introduction needed. >Bye, >Ian

Aside from the very early atari games, my first pc sims ran on my Tandy 1000, they were... Indy 500 the simulation (a landmark sim in my opinion) Test Drive 2: The Duel those were the days. Jeff

1995 - F1GP, Indy 500 1996 - GP2 1998 - GPL I only became interested in Motorsport in 1995 so that's when my interest in sims grew. Although I clocked many hours in "Mario Kart" before that :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Anyone remember chequered flag on the 48K spectrum? :) -- Robin. http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends Remove nospam from e-mail address to reply

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>Geoff Crammond's "REVS" on the C64 - my first "sim" >Matt :) >-- >----------------------------------------- >Matthew Knutsen >"The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons >www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm >-----------------------------------------

I think you are missing one of the best sellers. F1RS sold over 1 million copies in less than a year. I don't know how many copies MGPRS2 has sold. David G Fisher

Mid 80's some time... Pitstop II on the Commodore 64, and Racing Destruction Set... hardly simulators, but loads of fun

[snip] Well, I had played the original '76 Atari "Night Driver" in the arcades, as well as a few games that played a movie that shifted according to the track and your steering wheel input (can't remember the names) Indianapolis 500 was a major motivator for me to defect from the Mac ranks and go PC. I wouldn't say I played it 24hrs a day, but I played it quite religiously at the time. Oi! I hadn't realized it had been that long! Yikes! Heh. If I'm still around then, I suspect that the racing games will be quite amazing. Look how far we've come in ten years! Heck, by 2010 we'll probably have accomplished photorealistic graphics, have at least a few sims with virtually perfect physics models, and who knows what else? The only problem is that some things won't have improved much. The "feel" will always be imperfect at best, and I have my doubts about AI ever getting to the point where you can't tell the difference between human and computer drivers. Either way, the journey should be great fun, and I'm glad I'm around to enjoy it. =) Neil M.

I used to play REVS+ on a Commodore 64 back in 1986. There were crappier driving games around at the time, but none of them came close to REVS. It was a Formula 3 simulations. Anyone else remember Wilma Cargo (one of the AI drivers, the all had similar names). It was written by Geoff Crammond - no introduction needed. Bye, Ian

My racing career started with Indy 500 "The Sim" Man, I have had so many fun hours with that game! After that I switched to Indycar 1. After Indycar 1 (we must be end 1996 now) I started playing GP2 untill then end of 1998! After GP2 I started playing MGPRS2 (My old Pc wouldn't run GPL). After building a new Pc 3 weeks ago I started playing GPL.... Great game... I also am really into Superbike WC last 2 days. If GP3 would have graphics like SBK I will cry of happiness! Groeten/Regards, ____________________________________________ Sjon "MiXer" Stigter ____________________________________________ "I think motor racing should be a dangerous sport because that's what makes it different from cricket or tennis". - Stirling Moss ____________________________________________

The first motor racing simulation I remember playing was in an amu***t arcade. It was a coin-operated electro-mechanical machine which had a die cast toy car suspended over a road painted on a fabric belt. I last remember seeing one of these in the sixties... wait a minute, that was when GP cars had no wings and Denny Hulme was world champ. Where is this thread leading us? Here's another one to ponder. A couple of nights ago I channel hopped into an TV re-run of the Avengers and it showed a simulator using a film projected onto a screen mounted in front of a single seat chassis of some kind. there was a link between the steering and the projector which crudely simulated the effect of steering left and right. I don't know exactly what date this would have been, but I vaguely remember these things being set up at motor shows and the like. It just makes me feel so lucky to be experiencing the development of the PC as a simulation tool. Mark Croasdale

I started on INDY500 on an AMIGA... mouse driving!!!! I waited with baited breath for Formula1 by Geoff Crammond. I used to link with a mate and play Stunt car Racer! From SpeedFreek... in the UK!

Geoff Crammond's "REVS" on the C64 - my first "sim" Matt :) -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------

I think it was back in 62 in a 55 chevy!.. "O" wait wrong subject & time..eh? ;O) 92 in World Circuit.. Ok now you can flame me but please don't burn me! ;0) n2rif1.vcf < 1K Download

% Anyone remember chequered flag on the 48K spectrum? :) Yep, my first experience at tracks like Brands Hatch. This was the only 'sim' I recall that had track debris. The only thing about the debris was that it was always in the same spot. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

How about the old Atari arcade game, "Night Driving" (I think that was what it was called)? Or the original classic, "Pole Position"?? Do those count, or are we just talking computer-based sims? -- JB

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> >GPL: 1998 > >NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 > >F1GP2: 1996 > >F1GP: 1991(?) > >IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 > >Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) > I think you are missing one of the best sellers. F1RS sold over 1 million > copies in less than a year. I don't know how many copies MGPRS2 has sold.

LOL your killing me David. Where is your proof ? PC data doesn't have the same numbers as what you said. ;-) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Was it "Chequered Flag" on the Spectrum that allowed you to calibrate a biscuit tin lid as a steering wheel ? - you had to place it on the G key for straight ahead and roll it over the H,J,K,L keys for steering right and over the F,D,S,A for steering left ! I can remember spending hours driving Paul Ricard as the biscuits went soggy :-) Also, does anyone remember playing "Turbo Cup" on the Atari ST ? It was a Porsche racing game made by a French company. Andy.

How about "Grand Prix Circuit" from Accolade back in '88. I used to spend way too much time racing entire F1 seasons on that one. Wayne Hutchison

You guys should check out my webpage (specifically this page) at: http://gallery.uunet.be/year1440/intro_racingsims.htm Enjoy and all comments welcomed! JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Oh thirty years. I was 15 and she was older then me, but it .....oops oh, ah, never mind : ) I've been sim racing 5 years since I found ICR1. I've been hooked ever since. GPL has ruined me for GP2, ICR2 and N2. They just don't feel right anymore. "ZZ" -- Official member IGPS (Internet Grand Prix Series) And Sim Racing Mag Ferrari Challenge ----------------- Busch Carpentry "Plans?" ---------------- Busch Motorsports "Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward"

Pole Position on an Atari 2600 around 1985

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> I was just wondering what the exact date for the anniversary / birthday of sim > racing is? > Is it maybe the release date of "Indy 500, the Simulation" or is it earlier > than that? I suspect we're going back to the mid-late 80's here. What was the > first ever sim which was as popular as GPL? > I think that since sim racing was born these have been the most popular (ie. > have had dozens of web pages dedicated to them, including racing leagues, > utilities and addons) > GPL: 1998 > NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 > F1GP2: 1996 > F1GP: 1991(?) > IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 > Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) > Is there anyone here who was racing and practicing 24 hrs a day any particular > sim 10 years ago, in the same way we all do now? :) > Maybe we can try to put an exact date on Sim Racings birthday and cebrate it > sometimes. I think we may have even missed it's 10th birthday! 10 YEARS! > What will we be racing in 2040? > Rob

Those numbers are correct. 1.1 milion copies of F1RS have been sold worldwide in less than a year. Those numbers are from UbiSoft. They are also the numbers UbiSoft had prominently placed on their MGPRS2 site for anyone to see. I guess they could have been lying...... I asked the owner of the Unofficial F1RS/MGPRS2 web sites and he came back with the same numbers. He passed the 1 million visitor mark to his F1RS site in November (when was F1RS released?). He still receives an average of 1,600 visitors a day to his F1RS site, and is receiving an average of 2,500 visitors a day to his new MGPRS2 site. The F1RS site almost had to be shut down a few times due to overwhelming traffic. Sounds like a very popular sim to me. David G Fisher GPL is an excellent sim.

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>> >GPL: 1998 >> >NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 >> >F1GP2: 1996 >> >F1GP: 1991(?) >> >IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 >> >Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) >> I think you are missing one of the best sellers. F1RS sold over 1 million >> copies in less than a year. I don't know how many copies MGPRS2 has sold. >LOL your killing me David. Where is your proof ? PC data doesn't have the >same numbers as what you said. ;-)

D. Not that it matters much, but I thought Rick D. had to (almost) shut down the site because of disputes with his server over the total MBs of goo he had in there . . . . I never read that it was an issue of site traffic. I could be wrong. D. MSGP2 is a an awkwardly-named sim.

Hmmm... You Name It/I played it racing games for NES (Days of Thunder, Bill Elliott, Ivan Stewart...great fun...) way back to, oh, probably '87 or '88 when I was four or five. Since then: 1990: 'Vette (Corvette racing game in San Francisco, only real racing game on my Mac Classic) 1992: Mario Kart - Super Nintendo 1993: F-Zero - Super Nintendo 1995-Present: IndyCar 1 (with BOTH track packs! :) NASCAR 1 (with track pack) World Circuit, IndyCar 2, NASCAR 2, Grand Prix 2, Need For Speed 1 and 3, NR1999, Redline Racer, GPL, Mario Kart 64, F-Zero 64 (I love those games) The memories...beating a Lambo in a lesser Corvette...beating Mario Kart (64) and F-Zero (64)...FINISHING a 10% race at Indy with damage on in a Buick...WINNING in NASCAR/WC/ICR2/GP2/NFS1/NFS3/NR1999/Redline Racer....getting under 1:10 at the Glen :) It's been about 11 years for me....out of 15 :) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652

First racing game of any sort was on the old Magnavox 2000 video game console. A simple indy car shape that you had to guide around a track (actually a continueous maze on the screen). It was actualy pretty fun as you could race head to head. Then came Indy 500 the Sim. I remember i got like THE first copy to hit the shelves. I was only like 7 yrs old but i waited for almost 2 months for this game. I played that thing for hours on end on an old IBM P-70 (no not a pentium...just a model name). I think i won the Indy 50 (20 lap option) about 100 times and the actuall 500 2 or 3. After that i got Ferrari GP Challenge for Sega Genesis. For a Sega game it was pretty complex. You had the option of 3 types of wings, shocks, brakes, engines, 4 types of tires (2 dry-2 wet), Auto or Manual 4 or 7 speed gear boxes. It also had 20 different tracks including all the GP tracks (for the 91 season) plus 4 "trainer tracks" Long Beach, Mid Ohio, Oyster Bay, and Indinapolis (run backwards though). Next real racing sim was ICR1 (and both expansion packs)-1993, then N1 (and expansion pack)-1994, GP2-1996, N2-1998, ABC Indy Racing-1998, and finally GPL-1998. Chris

> Was it "Chequered Flag" on the Spectrum that allowed you to calibrate a > biscuit tin lid as a steering wheel ? - you had to place it on the G key for > straight ahead and roll it over the H,J,K,L keys for steering right and over > the F,D,S,A for steering left ! I can remember spending hours driving Paul > Ricard as the biscuits went soggy :-) This is a joke, right? -- Anssi Lehtinen

Chequered Flag for Spectrum :) way long before indy 500 (i still have my best indy500 times in a paper sheet somewhere) :) McKafre De La Rosa

I remember a game I think was called "Night Racer" it had a black screen, and you raced a stationery purple car through dynamic purple cones. It was played on a console (not sure which one). I played this as a kid/***ager, and considering that I'm now pushing 40, this was some time ago. ;)

>> Was it "Chequered Flag" on the Spectrum that allowed you to calibrate a >> biscuit tin lid as a steering wheel ? - you had to place it on the G key for >> straight ahead and roll it over the H,J,K,L keys for steering right and over >> the F,D,S,A for steering left ! I can remember spending hours driving Paul >> Ricard as the biscuits went soggy :-) >This is a joke, right? >-- >Anssi Lehtinen lol - nope it's true ! Somebody back me up on this before I'm considered a total loon. I'm not sure that the game was Chequered Flag but it was on the Sinclair Spectrum (I can remember the *** keyboard on the lid) and the year was about 1983. I haven't got my Spectrum any more but I'll try and investigate further..... Andy.

> How about "Grand Prix Circuit" from Accolade back in '88. I used to spend > way too much time racing entire F1 seasons on that one. This was my first sim (using the term loosely here), too, on my Amiga 2000 circa 1988. All the tracks were flat with little or no roadside graphics. The AI weren't very dynamic - I remember at Interlagos one of the drivers would stall at the start of every race there. I then bought Crammond's GP1, but couldn't get it to run on my Amiga - it only had 512K of RAM. When I later bought a PC (a Pentium 100) in 1995, I finally got GP1 (called "World Circuits" here in the U.S.) and loved it. I bought GP2 the day it came out and played it to death, although with my lowly P100 I had to settle for VGA mode to get a good frame rate. When I upgraded to a 400 MHz P2 with a Voodoo 2 in August, I bought F1RS. In spite of the nice 3D graphics, it never felt quite as good as GP2. I also bought GPL the day it came out and haven't played anything else since. This sim just feels so great to drive. Amazing stuff. Dave Ewing

I had pole position for my old commodor64.

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| |How about the old Atari arcade game, "Night Driving" (I think that was |what it was called)? Or the original classic, "Pole Position"?? Do |those count, or are we just talking computer-based sims? | |-- JB | |>I was just wondering what the exact date for the anniversary / birthday of

sim |>racing is? |> |>Is it maybe the release date of "Indy 500, the Simulation" or is it earlier |>than that? I suspect we're going back to the mid-late 80's here. What was the |>first ever sim which was as popular as GPL? |> |>I think that since sim racing was born these have been the most popular (ie.

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|>have had dozens of web pages dedicated to them, including racing leagues, |>utilities and addons) |> |>GPL: 1998 |>NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 |>F1GP2: 1996 |>F1GP: 1991(?) |>IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 |>Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) |> |>Is there anyone here who was racing and practicing 24 hrs a day any

particular |>sim 10 years ago, in the same way we all do now? :) |> |>Maybe we can try to put an exact date on Sim Racings birthday and cebrate it |>sometimes. I think we may have even missed it's 10th birthday! 10 YEARS! |> |>What will we be racing in 2040? |> |>Rob |

I think in 3-4 years we will have photorealistic graphics and humanly acting AI. They will be getting better. The physics will be perfect I would guess in 5-6 years and in 2 years we will have a modern FF QUALITY body feedback for the sims and in 3 years from then, we will have perfect feedback that will model true physics reacting on the body, now where the REAL racing industry will be by then, I can't really say. Maybe we will discover some other force that will give us excellent traction and superb speeds. Maybe have racing where top speeds are 300-400MPH and in hairpins, the cars drop down to 150MPH. Just a thought, Jesse |[snip] |>Is there anyone here who was racing and practicing 24 hrs a day any particular |>sim 10 years ago, in the same way we all do now? :) | | |Well, I had played the original '76 Atari "Night Driver" in the arcades, as well as |a few games that played a movie that shifted according to the track and your |steering wheel input (can't remember the names) | |Indianapolis 500 was a major motivator for me to defect from the Mac ranks |and go PC. I wouldn't say I played it 24hrs a day, but I played it quite religiously |at the time. | |>Maybe we can try to put an exact date on Sim Racings birthday and cebrate it

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|>sometimes. I think we may have even missed it's 10th birthday! 10 YEARS! | |Oi! I hadn't realized it had been that long! Yikes! | |>What will we be racing in 2040? | | |Heh. If I'm still around then, I suspect that the racing games will be

quite amazing. |Look how far we've come in ten years! Heck, by 2010 we'll probably have |accomplished photorealistic graphics, have at least a few sims with virtually |perfect physics models, and who knows what else? | |The only problem is that some things won't have improved much. The "feel" will |always be imperfect at best, and I have my doubts about AI ever getting to the |point where you can't tell the difference between human and computer drivers. |Either way, the journey should be great fun, and I'm glad I'm around to enjoy it. =) | |Neil M. | | | |

Hi, My first racing sim was Ferrari Grand Prix for the Mac. Anyone ever play this game? I used to play the thing for hours! Version 2.0 actually had pretty competative AI and it was in 16 colors! Other early racing games I played were The Deul - Test Drive II and Top Gear 2 (when my friends rented it, <childhood regression>I didn't have a Nintendo when all of my friends did!</childhood regression>. I also used to play Bill Elliott's Nascar Challenge on my Mac too. I used to set the downforce to 2o'' at Bristol to slow down enough to have a good race with the AI! The I got a PC, my first sim for it was GP2. I can say that I've probably logged the most hours with N2 (now Nr1999) over the past couple of years. Although GPL is getting up there! (I'am at 1:08:5X at the Glen! :) ) Later, John

% > % >> Was it "Chequered Flag" on the Spectrum that allowed you to calibrate a % >> biscuit tin lid as a steering wheel ? - you had to place it on the G key % for % >> straight ahead and roll it over the H,J,K,L keys for steering right and % over % >> the F,D,S,A for steering left ! I can remember spending hours driving % Paul % >> Ricard as the biscuits went soggy :-) % > % >This is a joke, right? % > % lol - nope it's true ! % Somebody back me up on this before I'm considered a total loon. % I'm not sure that the game was Chequered Flag but it was on the Sinclair % Spectrum (I can remember the *** keyboard on the lid) and the year was % about 1983. I haven't got my Spectrum any more but I'll try and investigate % further..... I vaguely remember some such method of controlling the car via (a tuna can in the States). There were also some "joystick" devices which one could place over the keys to accomplish the same thing in other games as well. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Well, my first racing sim (as opposed to arcade game) was Indy 500 in (I'm guessing) 1991 or so. I spent days practicing it. Thing is, I was never able to finish a full-length race. I always ran into one of those damn back markers that ran like 60 mph off the pace. I think my record distance in that game was around 150 laps. --- Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address. Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 35,000 BTU's of propane-fired fury.

10 years ago? How about 15... perhaps almost 20! Anyone else remember Night Driver for the Atari 2600? Or Indy 500? (Indy 500 */came with/* steering controllers that had unlimited rotational mobility - no steering stops like the paddle controls). I think there was also a game called Street Racer, but I'm not so sure about this one. These must have been out around 1981 or 1982. A year or two later Activision came out with Grand Prix and Dragster for the same platform that were a */huge/* leap forward in terms of graphics quality (8 to 16 colors instead of just 4). These are the ones that got me started. I can't tell you how many hours I spent playing those racing "sims". -- Steve Couture

Wow, time to do some digging up. I know I had those paddle controllers without the stops. Was Indy 500 a top down view racer? I remember Night driver. Your paddles actually controlled the road while the car was stationary. The road was nothing more then a bunch of blocks coming down the screen to simulate a road. Since I never throw anything out going to see if I can dig up some others. Even those these might not be sims. It could be where some of it started.

A friend thinks that the game was called "F1 Simulator" by Mastertronic and that the instructions told you to use a roll of tape as the wheel. Andy.

birthday of sim racing was .... with Gpl other was game. bye M. 2fast4u Giorgio

I remember playing Days of Thunder on NES. And I remember I sucked terribly at it. Hehe. That was my first racing expirience. I've been actually looking for a ROM to emulate the "Days of Thunder" game on an NES emulator, but have yet to find one.

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> Hmmm... > You Name It/I played it racing games for NES (Days of Thunder, Bill Elliott, > Ivan Stewart...great fun...) way back to, oh, probably '87 or '88 when I was > four or five. Since then: > 1990: 'Vette (Corvette racing game in San Francisco, only real racing game > on my Mac Classic) > 1992: Mario Kart - Super Nintendo > 1993: F-Zero - Super Nintendo > 1995-Present: IndyCar 1 (with BOTH track packs! :) NASCAR 1 (with track > pack) World Circuit, IndyCar 2, NASCAR 2, Grand Prix 2, Need For Speed 1 and > 3, NR1999, Redline Racer, GPL, Mario Kart 64, F-Zero 64 (I love those games) > The memories...beating a Lambo in a lesser Corvette...beating Mario Kart > (64) and F-Zero (64)...FINISHING a 10% race at Indy with damage on in a > Buick...WINNING in NASCAR/WC/ICR2/GP2/NFS1/NFS3/NR1999/Redline > Racer....getting under 1:10 at the Glen :) > It's been about 11 years for me....out of 15 :) > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652 > >I was just wondering what the exact date for the anniversary / birthday of > sim > >racing is? > >Is it maybe the release date of "Indy 500, the Simulation" or is it earlier > >than that? I suspect we're going back to the mid-late 80's here. What was > the > >first ever sim which was as popular as GPL? > >I think that since sim racing was born these have been the most popular > (ie. > >have had dozens of web pages dedicated to them, including racing leagues, > >utilities and addons) > >GPL: 1998 > >NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 > >F1GP2: 1996 > >F1GP: 1991(?) > >IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 > >Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) > >Is there anyone here who was racing and practicing 24 hrs a day any > particular > >sim 10 years ago, in the same way we all do now? :) > >Maybe we can try to put an exact date on Sim Racings birthday and cebrate > it > >sometimes. I think we may have even missed it's 10th birthday! 10 YEARS! > >What will we be racing in 2040? > >Rob

The first racing game I played was "Days of Thunder" in the early 90s (When my step-dad was racing at local short tracks and I had just gotten ***ed to the Days of Thunder movie...what? I was around 6 years old. LOL). But my first expirience with a simulator was in 1997 with NASCAR 1 when I borrowed the disks from a friend of mine. I later bought the CD with the track pack. Then proceeded to buy NASCAR 2, N2 Busch Pack, Indy Car 2, and NASCAR 1999. Plus I bought a 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee just for racing sims. Soon I'm going to be able to buy a new proccessor and then...GPL!! Woohoo! Plus, if memory serves, I think Indy 500 came out in 1990. I can't remember though. As far as the anniversary, I'd go by the date that the first sim came out for computer, as I have yet to see a simulation come out on console. (Then again, I might be wrong.)

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> I was just wondering what the exact date for the anniversary / birthday of sim > racing is? > Is it maybe the release date of "Indy 500, the Simulation" or is it earlier > than that? I suspect we're going back to the mid-late 80's here. What was the > first ever sim which was as popular as GPL? > I think that since sim racing was born these have been the most popular (ie. > have had dozens of web pages dedicated to them, including racing leagues, > utilities and addons) > GPL: 1998 > NASCAR Racing One/Two/1999: 1994/1996/1998 > F1GP2: 1996 > F1GP: 1991(?) > IndyCar Racing One & Two: 1993/1995 > Indy 500, the Simulation?: 1988(??) > Is there anyone here who was racing and practicing 24 hrs a day any particular > sim 10 years ago, in the same way we all do now? :) > Maybe we can try to put an exact date on Sim Racings birthday and cebrate it > sometimes. I think we may have even missed it's 10th birthday! 10 YEARS! > What will we be racing in 2040? > Rob

My first experience? The hand held motorized racing game from Radio Shack. You had a Grand Prix car and other cars would slide toward you on the track. Then I upgraded to Pole Position on the Atari 2600 -- -Gunslinger-

My first racing game may well have been Cassette #4 on Videopac, driving around in bird's eye view on a small track using 1 bit colored cars. ;-) The one in my mind as favorite of all time was Intellivision's Auto Racing. Great stuff, with lots of freedom. It will probably suck once I replay it NOW. And Night Rider, with those black & white road indicators coming at you. Wow, really 3D! Real stuff happened when Revs came out. That was real racing. GPL rocks now. My wheelchair probably ;-) Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

>How about "Grand Prix Circuit" from Accolade back in '88. I used to spend >way too much time racing entire F1 seasons on that one. >Wayne Hutchison THANKS! I'd been TRYING to remember the name of that one.... Even had the Detroit(my home) track, which I don't remember seeing anywhere else... Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.