Dear Mr. Noonan

I knew it wouldn't be long. hehe. but then again, It might be fun(?) Mike barlow

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> Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added > a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy > oval tracks!). > But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay > for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? > Joe

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Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy oval tracks!). But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? Joe

Talk about a track where the Eagle has a definate advantage!!!

i agree that this is alot of fun. but i think what we'd REALLY love would be indy.... wasn't it part of the world championship at some point in this era? thanks again for the converter; it's great fun! mark

And to add to that, talk about how slow the brabham and ferrari will be! Flat out all the way around the track, with a brabham you would never get anywhere. Jesse |>> But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay |>> for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? |>> |>> Joe | |Talk about a track where the Eagle has a definate advantage!!!

Heh, in the Brabham, you would see a giant mass of blue and green in front of you moving away and then coming into your mirrors...

> Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added > a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy > oval tracks!). > But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay > for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? Nascar tracks are fine, but I NEED to drive my Ferrari at Elkart Lake and Mid Ohio! <horrible gnashing of teeth in background> l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Road Atlanta then??? (anywhere but at the Satan's spawns track) dave henrie >>Yes personally I think that the USGP would be better siuted to a track like >>Road America, Mid Ohio or Sear Point. Too bad it at Indy. >>Dave >Mid-O is too small, I can't believe CART still runs there, and Sears Point >would never pass an FIA inspection in it's current configuration. Road America >could be the best modern F1 circuit on the planet, well...next to SPA maybe, >but according to Bernie, it's too far from a major airport and doesn't have the >amenities the F1 circus is used to. >-don

And Sears Point and Laguna Seca and Portland<VBG>! -don

Yes personally I think that the USGP would be better siuted to a track like Road America, Mid Ohio or Sear Point. Too bad it at Indy. Dave

YES! Elkhart Lake, my favorite ICR2/TPTCC track. Can't wait to take a GPL vehicle for a spin there. Also I wonder if Mr. Noonan will make the full version of the converter free or shareware as his fine icr2n2 converter was, and would those of us who registered icr2n2 get a license transfer for icr2n2gpl. Either way it would be awesome to be able to online race GPL at Elkhart Lake, I look forward to it, not much of an oval fan personally but I know oval tracks like Talladega will probably please the Nascar fans who have been keeping time with GPL until N3 releases. Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

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>> Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added >> a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy >> oval tracks!). >> But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay >> for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? >Nascar tracks are fine, but I NEED to drive my Ferrari at Elkart Lake >and Mid Ohio! ><horrible gnashing of teeth in background> >l8er >ronny >-- >How to get rid of censorship in German game releases ><http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Mid-O is too small, I can't believe CART still runs there, and Sears Point would never pass an FIA inspection in it's current configuration. Road America could be the best modern F1 circuit on the planet, well...next to SPA maybe, but according to Bernie, it's too far from a major airport and doesn't have the amenities the F1 circus is used to. -don

I'll meet you at Dogz! I'll buy the beer... -don

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> >Nascar tracks are fine, but I NEED to drive my Ferrari at Elkart Lake > >and Mid Ohio! > ><horrible gnashing of teeth in background> > >l8er > >ronny > And Sears Point and Laguna Seca and Portland<VBG>!

Ok, I didn't want to write down all of them, so let's just say: "Give me ALL road/city tracks from CART, please!" l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Can I hear an AMEN brothers!!! -don

>And to add to that, talk about how slow the brabham and ferrari will be! >Flat out all the way around the track, with a brabham you would never get >anywhere. That's odd, in an AI race the both Brabhams always got the front row. Remco

AMEN! But: I got a better idea: Give me ALL the tracks from ICR2 and NASCAR99 please! <g> Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

Not to mention that the FIA boys wanted the Elkhart folks to do about $5M dollars of reworking to the track to make it safe for F1. When told that they would have to remove the entire hill at turn, ah ah , 11 or 12 I think, the Elkhart folks made the right choise and said no thank you. . .

It's weird...but at all of the tracks, I'm always faster in the Brabham...you know, Mario Andretti basically used the same car that year... -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 >>And to add to that, talk about how slow the brabham and ferrari will be! >>Flat out all the way around the track, with a brabham you would never get >>anywhere. >That's odd, in an AI race the both Brabhams always got the front row. >Remco

Yes John... GIVE US ELKHART!!! That is a great circuit, not to mention it is an hour from my house... but it is also TOTALLY in the spirit of the times. The track existed then and it is really the Spa of North America... --Dave

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> YES! Elkhart Lake, my favorite ICR2/TPTCC track. > Can't wait to take a GPL vehicle for a spin there. > Also I wonder if Mr. Noonan will make the full version of the converter > free or shareware as his fine icr2n2 converter was, and would those > of us who registered icr2n2 get a license transfer for icr2n2gpl. > Either way it would be awesome to be able to online race GPL at Elkhart Lake, > I look forward to it, not much of an oval fan personally but I know oval > tracks like Talladega will probably please the Nascar fans who have been > keeping time with GPL until N3 releases. > Seeyas on the track. > --John (Joao) Silva > >> Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added > >> a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy > >> oval tracks!). > >> But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay > >> for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? > >Nascar tracks are fine, but I NEED to drive my Ferrari at Elkart Lake > >and Mid Ohio! > ><horrible gnashing of teeth in background> > >l8er > >ronny > >-- > >How to get rid of censorship in German game releases > ><http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Don... this is another intersting point about Road America... from what I understand, many of the European tracks (Hockenheim I think is one) are in the middle of nowhere, so to speak. I totally don't buy that argument, at least according to a friend who has been to many of the European circuits. The distance from a major "city or airport" is just a load of Bernie's crap, because his definition doesn't make sense when putting European tracks up to that same criteria. -_Dave

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> >Yes personally I think that the USGP would be better siuted to a track like > >Road America, Mid Ohio or Sear Point. Too bad it at Indy. > >Dave > Mid-O is too small, I can't believe CART still runs there, and Sears Point > would never pass an FIA inspection in it's current configuration. Road America > could be the best modern F1 circuit on the planet, well...next to SPA maybe, > but according to Bernie, it's too far from a major airport and doesn't have the > amenities the F1 circus is used to. > -don

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

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>Don... this is another intersting point about Road America... from what >I understand, many of the European tracks (Hockenheim I think is one) >are in the middle of nowhere, so to speak. I totally don't buy that >argument, at least according to a friend who has been to many of the >European circuits. The distance from a major "city or airport" is just a >load of Bernie's crap, because his definition doesn't make sense when >putting European tracks up to that same criteria.

Hockenheim is, so to speak, an extra runway of the Frankfurt Airport, as it is located approx. 30 miles (or less) south of it, with an Autobahn connecting both directly. The VIPs hop over with a helicopter, of course. I don't think there is a race track anywhere which is "closer" to a major airport. Even the post-race parties are said to be held in a the "Dorian Gray" Disco at Rhein-Main-Airport. The Nrburgring, on the other hand, was purposedly build in the Eifel mountains to bring job opportunities into this formerly poor deserted region. The distance to the next airports (Frankfurt or Cologne/Bonn) is maybe 4 times bigger, but on smaller roads or less direct Autobahns. -- _____ /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d I XT /~~~~ I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

Hi Matt, Thanks for the info.... I need to call my friend to see which are the "middle of nowhere" tracks... obviously I erred on Hockenheim. But am I right in saying Bernie's argument doesn't fly in respect to Elhart Lake and other Euro tracks? (most of us know that Bernie's #1 motive is $$) --Dave

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> >Don... this is another intersting point about Road America... from what > >I understand, many of the European tracks (Hockenheim I think is one) > >are in the middle of nowhere, so to speak. I totally don't buy that > >argument, at least according to a friend who has been to many of the > >European circuits. The distance from a major "city or airport" is just a > >load of Bernie's crap, because his definition doesn't make sense when > >putting European tracks up to that same criteria. > Hockenheim is, so to speak, an extra runway of the Frankfurt Airport, > as it is located approx. 30 miles (or less) south of it, with an > Autobahn connecting both directly. The VIPs hop over with a > helicopter, of course. > I don't think there is a race track anywhere which is "closer" to a > major airport. Even the post-race parties are said to be held in a the > "Dorian Gray" Disco at Rhein-Main-Airport. > The Nrburgring, on the other hand, was purposedly build in the Eifel > mountains to bring job opportunities into this formerly poor deserted > region. The distance to the next airports (Frankfurt or Cologne/Bonn) > is maybe 4 times bigger, but on smaller roads or less direct > Autobahns. > >> Road America > >> could be the best modern F1 circuit on the planet, well...next to SPA maybe, > >> but according to Bernie, it's too far from a major airport and doesn't have the > >> amenities the F1 circus is used to. > -- > _____ > /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d > I XT /~~~~ > I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro > \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

The Cleaveland (sp?) track in ICR2 *is* on airport runways. Now thats close :-D Jason. > Hockenheim is, so to speak, an extra runway of the Frankfurt Airport, > as it is located approx. 30 miles (or less) south of it, with an > Autobahn connecting both directly. The VIPs hop over with a > helicopter, of course. > I don't think there is a race track anywhere which is "closer" to a > major airport. -------- Jason Monds "My other car is a Ferrari" http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Hey Dave! Magny-Cours is allegedly not far from the middle of nowhere. I've never been myself but a friend who has says it's a nightmare. Also I don't think the A1-Ring is close to any major cities or airports. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 "The trick is to find the right place, and then just wait for the right time..."

>I don't think there is a race track anywhere which is "closer" to a >major airport. Even the post-race parties are said to be held in a the >"Dorian Gray" Disco at Rhein-Main-Airport. Daytona and Ceveland pop to mind :-)

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>Hey Dave! >>Thanks for the info.... I need to call my friend to see which are the >>"middle of nowhere" tracks... obviously I erred on Hockenheim. >Magny-Cours is allegedly not far from the middle of nowhere. I've never >been myself but a friend who has says it's a nightmare. Also I don't >think the A1-Ring is close to any major cities or airports.

We'll see ... I'll be there on July 25th :) Hena

I agree, Elkhart Lake would be awesome. Watching the CART racing there each year kicks ass!. Plus, I know the track better than the others since it iis only a 20min ride from where I live.

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>Yes John... >GIVE US ELKHART!!! That is a great circuit, not to mention it is an hour >from my house... but it is also TOTALLY in the spirit of the times. The >track existed then and it is really the Spa of North America... >--Dave >> YES! Elkhart Lake, my favorite ICR2/TPTCC track. >> Can't wait to take a GPL vehicle for a spin there. >> Also I wonder if Mr. Noonan will make the full version of the converter >> free or shareware as his fine icr2n2 converter was, and would those >> of us who registered icr2n2 get a license transfer for icr2n2gpl. >> Either way it would be awesome to be able to online race GPL at Elkhart

Lake,

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>> I look forward to it, not much of an oval fan personally but I know oval >> tracks like Talladega will probably please the Nascar fans who have been >> keeping time with GPL until N3 releases. >> Seeyas on the track. >> --John (Joao) Silva >> >> Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added >> >> a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy >> >> oval tracks!). >> >> But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly pay >> >> for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? >> >Nascar tracks are fine, but I NEED to drive my Ferrari at Elkart Lake >> >and Mid Ohio! >> ><horrible gnashing of teeth in background> >> >l8er >> >ronny >> >-- >> >How to get rid of censorship in German game releases >> ><http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> >> > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, >> > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. >> > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, >> > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off! >-- >Dave Schwabe >The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site >http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Good luck...! I'm visiting Spa and Silverstone for the GP's this year which are OK for access. Although if things go right and everything falls into place I will be at Sepang too :-) Hope that'll be OK.... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 "The trick is to find the right place, and then just wait for the right time..."

I agree, but make sure it is the "old" course. That was a ***. I drove it myself in the 60's in a TR-3 in SCCA amateur racing. When I gave SCCA another go in the mid 70's in an RX-4, I was surprised at how much wider and safer it had become. If anyone who has been there remembers the little asphalt road that winds around to different parts of the track, that is the old race course. If you left the track you were usually in the woods. Not many guardrails and no traps to keep you inside the circuit. Definitely a classic. The old Can-Am series was the last "big-time" series to use the old course if my memory serves me correctly. Kinda giving my age away with this one.........:-) I believe the new course was opened in the early 70s, possibly late 60s when I was in the military. I know it was still there in '67 when I ran my last race on it. On the old course, in the TR, an average speed of 50+ mph was my goal for a good lap. And that is when running 115-120 down the 2 main straights(Can-Ams 160+mph). GPL would be a killer on that course. Just a bit of trivia for you Badgers out there. Does anyone remember the name of the "other" road course that a divided highway cut right through and closed? You have to be close to 50 to remember this one unless your dad took you there when you were very young. It was beginning to rival Road America when it was forced to close when the highway was built. C'mon old farts, dig into that memory. Hint:....You can still see the remnants of the track on the side of the highway that closed it about an hr out of Milwaukee. Regards, Ed Medlin www.flyairwest.com

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> Yes John... > GIVE US ELKHART!!! That is a great circuit, not to mention it is an hour > from my house... but it is also TOTALLY in the spirit of the times. The > track existed then and it is really the Spa of North America... > --Dave > > YES! Elkhart Lake, my favorite ICR2/TPTCC track. > > Can't wait to take a GPL vehicle for a spin there. > > Also I wonder if Mr. Noonan will make the full version of the converter > > free or shareware as his fine icr2n2 converter was, and would those > > of us who registered icr2n2 get a license transfer for icr2n2gpl. > > Either way it would be awesome to be able to online race GPL at Elkhart

Lake,

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> > I look forward to it, not much of an oval fan personally but I know oval > > tracks like Talladega will probably please the Nascar fans who have been > > keeping time with GPL until N3 releases. > > Seeyas on the track. > > --John (Joao) Silva > > >> Thanks you very much for your gift of the track converter. It's added > > >> a great deal of fun to GPL (for the first time ever I actually enjoy > > >> oval tracks!). > > >> But. You know what we speed freaks want. All of us. We will gladly

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> > >> for it. So ... when will we be able to race GPL at Talladega? > > >Nascar tracks are fine, but I NEED to drive my Ferrari at Elkart Lake > > >and Mid Ohio! > > ><horrible gnashing of teeth in background> > > >l8er > > >ronny > > >-- > > >How to get rid of censorship in German game releases > > ><http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm > > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off! > -- > Dave Schwabe > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Brainard? Although I believe there is still a drag strip there. -don